(08-29-2013 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I think all churches should be tax exempt. However, I don't think a group of people should so easily be able to call themselves a "church".

That's fair... The fact the Duggers call their home a place of worship cause they have friends come over for service is *shameful*

(08-29-2013 10:50 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 10:46 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 10:17 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 09:52 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 09:43 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Because they are a charity...

Charities would not be taxable under HR25. The goods or services they purchase would however like everyone else.

Given that a proper charity does not turn a profit all taxing their purchases do is reduce the charitable services they provide...

We need more charity and less government, not the other way around.

Post 33 addresses those concerns IMO. I agree fully we need less government. I can think of no better way to do that than to eliminate the IRS entirely. I believe the economic impact of proper tax reform would be good for charity. People donate more when they have more to donate.

So do churches and taxes reduce that.

One is hard to do with the other. Remember...ONLY individuals pay taxes anyway. Charity would have to do (to a lesser extent)as business does and include this in their overhead. You and I still pay the tax either way.

I submit it is a fair trade off to eliminate the IRS and be able to not have to pay for the costs of paperwork and the manpower of having to comply with their rules. Ending the IRS in itself is a direct savings to everyone both financially and in regard to their liberty.

HR 25 gives everyone including charity... the ability to skirt paying taxes by purchasing used goods or making them yourself. Only new goods are taxable. Also it would totally untax the poor that charity seeks to help. It would return their tax burden to them monthly in the form of a prebate. That prebate would go a long way in helping people in need.

This is the continuation of the drip, drip, drip of the leftists in their attempt to do away with the Church and religion in this Country and replace it with their place of worship, the State.

This idea of "discrimination" is wholly ridiculous from the start anyway. ALL of us discriminate on things we do every single day. Who we choose to associate with, what commercial enterprises we choose to frequent, who we decide to make fun of, what teams we root for.

No one is exempt from this, and often it's those that object to certain kinds of discrimination that are the worst offenders.

(08-29-2013 09:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 09:12 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 09:06 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can someone give me a valid reason for why churches should have tax exempt status?

Maybe they're not in the business to make money or be a political organization? And a majority of their practices are charity? Just stuff off the top of my head...

Throughout American history, churches have been the institution that has taken care of the poor and less fortunate. It worked very well.

Now that we have the nanny state, what do we need churches for? Tax the hell out of them and seize their property when they can't pay.

and that is a very good point, but I think that any organization that discriminates should not get tax exempt status. even if they are charity driven, if they discriminate then they forfeit that right in my book.

Good grief.

(08-29-2013 11:09 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I think all churches should be tax exempt. However, I don't think a group of people should so easily be able to call themselves a "church".

That's fair... The fact the Duggers call their home a place of worship cause they have friends come over for service is *shameful*

I agree. It's too easy to be classified as a "church". Heck, some groups are "churches" in name only just to get the tax exemption. I wonder if an IRS crackdown on these bogus "churches" or if the there was higher scrutiny of "church" tax exemption applications would be seen by some as an attack on Christianity?

(08-29-2013 11:09 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I think all churches should be tax exempt. However, I don't think a group of people should so easily be able to call themselves a "church".

That's fair... The fact the Duggers call their home a place of worship cause they have friends come over for service is *shameful*

This is the unintended consequence of all of this. People are using the Constitution in ways it was not intended. Ending this loophole and the hundreds of others IMO would be the best for everyone as long as we install a system that is simple and harder to evade. IMO...HR25 of some variant thereof is that system. HR 25 would scoop up the Duggers..unless they decided to live totally off the grid, raised their own food and buy only used goods. That seems unlikely.

(08-29-2013 11:24 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 11:09 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I think all churches should be tax exempt. However, I don't think a group of people should so easily be able to call themselves a "church".

That's fair... The fact the Duggers call their home a place of worship cause they have friends come over for service is *shameful*

This is the unintended consequence of all of this. People are using the Constitution in ways it was not intended. Ending this loophole and the hundreds of others IMO would be the best for everyone as long as we install a system that is simple and harder to evade. IMO...HR25 of some variant thereof is that system. HR 25 would scoop up the Duggers..unless they decided to live totally off the grid, raised their own food and buy only used goods. That seems unlikely.

You don't invite a wolf over to dinner even if he promises to stop after the appetizers... I worry not about "this church or that family" I worry about the folks whos heart is set on *all churches*..

Baby and bath water..

(08-29-2013 08:58 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can someone give me a valid reason for why churches should have tax exempt status?

See my post. Can you give me a valid reason for them to BE taxed?

Why should anyone be exempt from taxes? Me, you, the little old lady up the street all pay our taxes...why not churches, non-profits, etc?

(08-29-2013 02:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:58 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can someone give me a valid reason for why churches should have tax exempt status?

See my post. Can you give me a valid reason for them to BE taxed?

Why should anyone be exempt from taxes? Me, you, the little old lady up the street all pay our taxes...why not churches, non-profits, etc?

Because by and large we want to encourage the activity and behavior of what the Churches and non-profits do.

Maybe not so much whatever it is you and the little old lady up the street do.... ew?

I am so sick of people on the left.

(08-29-2013 02:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:58 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can someone give me a valid reason for why churches should have tax exempt status?

See my post. Can you give me a valid reason for them to BE taxed?

Why should anyone be exempt from taxes? Me, you, the little old lady up the street all pay our taxes...why not churches, non-profits, etc?

That's not a reason.

(08-29-2013 02:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:58 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can someone give me a valid reason for why churches should have tax exempt status?

See my post. Can you give me a valid reason for them to BE taxed?

Why should anyone be exempt from taxes? Me, you, the little old lady up the street all pay our taxes...why not churches, non-profits, etc?

Because by and large we want to encourage the activity and behavior of what the Churches and non-profits do.

Maybe not so much whatever it is you and the little old lady up the street do.... ew?

If a church can't make more than it spends...it should close...that's the GOP way...say no to bailing out the churches!!!

(08-29-2013 02:45 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:58 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can someone give me a valid reason for why churches should have tax exempt status?

See my post. Can you give me a valid reason for them to BE taxed?

Why should anyone be exempt from taxes? Me, you, the little old lady up the street all pay our taxes...why not churches, non-profits, etc?

That's not a reason.

Either is yours...

(08-29-2013 02:48 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:58 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can someone give me a valid reason for why churches should have tax exempt status?

See my post. Can you give me a valid reason for them to BE taxed?

Why should anyone be exempt from taxes? Me, you, the little old lady up the street all pay our taxes...why not churches, non-profits, etc?

Because by and large we want to encourage the activity and behavior of what the Churches and non-profits do.

Maybe not so much whatever it is you and the little old lady up the street do.... ew?

If a church can't make more than it spends...it should close...that's the GOP way...say no to bailing out the churches!!!

Uh, that's how it works moron.

(08-29-2013 02:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:58 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can someone give me a valid reason for why churches should have tax exempt status?

See my post. Can you give me a valid reason for them to BE taxed?

Why should anyone be exempt from taxes? Me, you, the little old lady up the street all pay our taxes...why not churches, non-profits, etc?

Because Churches are also charities. Should they pay taxes on all goods and services they provide to those in need? Are you mad that Mosques are also tax exempt?

(08-29-2013 02:49 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:48 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 08:58 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  See my post. Can you give me a valid reason for them to BE taxed?

Why should anyone be exempt from taxes? Me, you, the little old lady up the street all pay our taxes...why not churches, non-profits, etc?

Because by and large we want to encourage the activity and behavior of what the Churches and non-profits do.

Maybe not so much whatever it is you and the little old lady up the street do.... ew?

If a church can't make more than it spends...it should close...that's the GOP way...say no to bailing out the churches!!!

Uh, that's how it works moron.

Tax break keep LOTS of churches open...I'm simply of the impression no one should be exempt from taxes...everyone should pay their fair share...churches, mosques, temples, ashrams, satanic cult buildings, the masons, the illuminati, all of em.

(08-29-2013 02:55 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:49 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:48 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Why should anyone be exempt from taxes? Me, you, the little old lady up the street all pay our taxes...why not churches, non-profits, etc?

Because by and large we want to encourage the activity and behavior of what the Churches and non-profits do.

Maybe not so much whatever it is you and the little old lady up the street do.... ew?

If a church can't make more than it spends...it should close...that's the GOP way...say no to bailing out the churches!!!

Uh, that's how it works moron.

Tax break keep LOTS of churches open...I'm simply of the impression no one should be exempt from taxes...everyone should pay their fair share...churches, mosques, temples, ashrams, satanic cult buildings, the masons, the illuminati, all of em.

I'm of the impression I should be able to own a machine gun and abortion should be rare if not illegal. The Supreme Court disagrees with noth of us. Can you or anyone else offer a legal justification for taxing churches? Your fucing retarded feelings don't matter.

(08-29-2013 02:58 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:55 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:49 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:48 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Because by and large we want to encourage the activity and behavior of what the Churches and non-profits do.

Maybe not so much whatever it is you and the little old lady up the street do.... ew?

If a church can't make more than it spends...it should close...that's the GOP way...say no to bailing out the churches!!!

Uh, that's how it works moron.

Tax break keep LOTS of churches open...I'm simply of the impression no one should be exempt from taxes...everyone should pay their fair share...churches, mosques, temples, ashrams, satanic cult buildings, the masons, the illuminati, all of em.

I'm of the impression I should be able to own a machine gun and abortion should be rare if not illegal. The Supreme Court disagrees with noth of us. Can you or anyone else offer a legal justification for taxing churches? Your fucing retarded feelings don't matter.

Of course my feelings matter...thus the first amendment (there is a reason it's first)...just as yours do...I suggest you write your local politicians or run for office if you want to push your views.

Oh, and the court does disagree with you...abortion is a woman's right...and can't be illegal...take that up with them, not me...I can't change it, nor would I want to.

(08-29-2013 03:02 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:58 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:55 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:49 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 02:48 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  If a church can't make more than it spends...it should close...that's the GOP way...say no to bailing out the churches!!!

Uh, that's how it works moron.

Tax break keep LOTS of churches open...I'm simply of the impression no one should be exempt from taxes...everyone should pay their fair share...churches, mosques, temples, ashrams, satanic cult buildings, the masons, the illuminati, all of em.

I'm of the impression I should be able to own a machine gun and abortion should be rare if not illegal. The Supreme Court disagrees with noth of us. Can you or anyone else offer a legal justification for taxing churches? Your fucing retarded feelings don't matter.

Of course my feelings matter...thus the first amendment (there is a reason it's first)...just as yours do...I suggest you write your local politicians or run for office if you want to push your views.

Oh, and the court does disagree with you...abortion is a woman's right...and can't be illegal...take that up with them, not me...I can't change it, nor would I want to.

Funny, abortion isn't mentioned in the constitution. The Supremes said women have the right until viability, the constitution says my right to own a firearm shall not be infringed. Oh, and just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it matters.

Some morons must not understand the dollar I give my church has already been taxed to infinity and beyond.

The insanity of the left. They really think the government can spend my money (and the money i give to charities and my church) in a better and more efficient way.

Another thing, over the past few years all I've heard from the gays on this board and in the media is, what I do in my bedroom is my business. Well guess what, I agree, keep your ass in there and quit forcing your damned lifestyle and beliefs on others. Start your own gay church if you see fit. Gay militancy is not compromise, but I digress, compromise has never been the point.