Why the negative title... I am sick of this guy.... When is he going to retire or get fired.

Not only do I have a problem with the Enquirer/MR. Koch it continues on with the local news sations in this city as well! Here it is less than two days away from the opener & the only thing you hear about on the news is the Reds & Bengals & high school football. It is really sad! I will flip to all 3 local stations to watch the sports and very rare do they talk UC Football.

UC must do well considering the circumstances - that's a given. However, the media in this town seem to work off a checklist of negatives.....

1) how was attendance - dahm they sold out - we can't use that one
2) is the coach unpopular/no buzz - dahm he is popular right now - we can't use that one
3) is the opponent bad by (insert reporter here) standards - nope it's the B10 - next ..
4) default position the conf sucks - yep we'll go with that one.........

(08-29-2013 11:27 AM)Bearcat Jimmy -93 Wrote:  Not only do I have a problem with the Enquirer/MR. Koch it continues on with the local news sations in this city as well! Here it is less than two days away from the opener & the only thing you hear about on the news is the Reds & Bengals & high school football. It is really sad! I will flip to all 3 local stations to watch the sports and very rare do they talk UC Football.

Focus data shows, over and over again, that the top three interests among local news viewers for sports are Reds, Bengals and HS Football.

If UC Football moved the needle, it would get more attention.

(08-29-2013 11:43 AM)#41 Wrote:  Focus data shows, over and over again, that the top three interests among local news viewers for sports are Reds, Bengals and HS Football.

If UC Football moved the needle, it would get more attention.

I get the first two, but the only HS football I care about is my local team, and even them only casually.

But Skyline and other sponsors put a bunch of money into HS football around here and it makes sense because they are in most communities. So armed with sponsorship the local news channels will spend time based upon $$ they get for it.

(08-29-2013 11:43 AM)#41 Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 11:27 AM)Bearcat Jimmy -93 Wrote:  Not only do I have a problem with the Enquirer/MR. Koch it continues on with the local news sations in this city as well! Here it is less than two days away from the opener & the only thing you hear about on the news is the Reds & Bengals & high school football. It is really sad! I will flip to all 3 local stations to watch the sports and very rare do they talk UC Football.

Focus data shows, over and over again, that the top three interests among local news viewers for sports are Reds, Bengals and HS Football.

If UC Football moved the needle, it would get more attention.

Where is the link to this data?

(08-29-2013 11:56 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 11:43 AM)#41 Wrote:  Focus data shows, over and over again, that the top three interests among local news viewers for sports are Reds, Bengals and HS Football.

If UC Football moved the needle, it would get more attention.

I get the first two, but the only HS football I care about is my local team, and even them only casually.

But Skyline and other sponsors put a bunch of money into HS football around here and it makes sense because they are in most communities. So armed with sponsorship the local news channels will spend time based upon $$ they get for it.

I think UC fans are more sophisticated than the average sports fan in the city that follows their high school team, Reds, and Bengals. The local news target audience is probably less educated than the average UC fan too. I would bet a good percentage of our fan base went to UC or has some form of college education.

I get the majority of my Bearcat fix on the internet from a variety of sources anyway.

(08-29-2013 12:06 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 11:56 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 11:43 AM)#41 Wrote:  Focus data shows, over and over again, that the top three interests among local news viewers for sports are Reds, Bengals and HS Football.

If UC Football moved the needle, it would get more attention.

I get the first two, but the only HS football I care about is my local team, and even them only casually.

But Skyline and other sponsors put a bunch of money into HS football around here and it makes sense because they are in most communities. So armed with sponsorship the local news channels will spend time based upon $$ they get for it.

I think UC fans are more sophisticated than the average sports fan in the city that follows their high school team, Reds, and Bengals. The local news target audience is probably less educated than the average UC fan too. I would bet a good percentage of our fan base went to UC or has some form of college education.

I agree completely with this. Reds fans are "okay" but Bengals are definitely of a lower class than UC fans.

And the media needs to differentiate between being a "high school football fan" and a fan of the high school you graduated from. I like high school football but I could give two $hits about it if my alma-mater isn't playing. I think that is the same for most high school football fans in this city. It's not like people are just dying to go watch any high school football game being played or begging for the media to report on every game.

In the GCYL (K through 8 grades) it's frustrating that there is a lot more discussions about HS Football (who played who, results of games, etc.) than Bearcat FB talk. I agree completely with the poster who said in the "UC must dominate the AAC" thread that the University has some work ahead trying to capture the young sports fans.

In comparison during basketball season there is much more discussion about UC BB than HS BB.

(08-29-2013 12:12 PM)Marcus Wrote:  I agree completely with this. Reds fans are "okay" but Bengals are definitely of a lower class than UC fans.

And the media needs to differentiate between being a "high school football fan" and a fan of the high school you graduated from. I like high school football but I could give two $hits about it if my alma-mater isn't playing. I think that is the same for most high school football fans in this city. It's not like people are just dying to go watch any high school football game being played or begging for the media to report on every game.

I think it's the same thing as when the local weather people mention about 10-20 local towns during their weather reports - they know that people like hearing their community mentioned even if it is in a small way. So I think that's just another way of trying to get more viewers.

And they know that people will sit through an entire HS football segment just to get a chance to see their school/town being represented.

(08-29-2013 12:22 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  In the GCYL (K through 8 grades) it's frustrating that there is a lot more discussions about HS Football (who played who, results of games, etc.) than Bearcat FB talk. I agree completely with the poster who said in the "UC must dominate the AAC" thread that the University has some work ahead trying to capture the young sports fans.

In comparison during basketball season there is much more discussion about UC BB than HS BB.

Very true about GCYL fans and their parents.

BTW, the QB from St. Ignatius started at QB yesterday for Elder's freshman team. He was very impressive. He must have been one of those really talented kids who was always stuck on a bad team in grade school. I still cant get over how Tankersly ran the FB program into the ground.

(08-29-2013 12:23 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 12:12 PM)Marcus Wrote:  I agree completely with this. Reds fans are "okay" but Bengals are definitely of a lower class than UC fans.

And the media needs to differentiate between being a "high school football fan" and a fan of the high school you graduated from. I like high school football but I could give two $hits about it if my alma-mater isn't playing. I think that is the same for most high school football fans in this city. It's not like people are just dying to go watch any high school football game being played or begging for the media to report on every game.

And they know that people will sit through an entire HS football segment just to get a chance to see their school/town being represented.

Good point.

St I's has an outstanding program most years... lots of talent comes through that program... Hopefully they can get back to where they were before. I'll be checking out a few GCL Freshmen and Reserve games in addition to Varsity this year... How are the Panthers looking?

All of which is why I worry about the attendance for that Friday night Temple game. It is the only home game I will miss, because I work at high school games on Friday nights.

(08-29-2013 11:27 AM)Bearcat Jimmy -93 Wrote:  Not only do I have a problem with the Enquirer/MR. Koch it continues on with the local news sations in this city as well! Here it is less than two days away from the opener & the only thing you hear about on the news is the Reds & Bengals & high school football. It is really sad! I will flip to all 3 local stations to watch the sports and very rare do they talk UC Football.

Rarely listen to WLW these days, but I've noticed (in yet another cost cutting move) they no longer have a live sports report in the mornings; just a prerecording of "Seg" from the night before. And yes, this is all Reds and Bengals updates (paid sponsorships) and high school highlights.

Fans most places would be blown away if their BCS school's flagship station didn't even mention the sold out, nationally televised home opener against a B10 team two days before kickoff. Even "if" UC football doesn't move the needle as some might suggest, a journalist can still argue that the sports report should include stories with, "the greatest interest to the greatest number of people in the audience." No single local high school can make that claim over UC.

(08-29-2013 12:22 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  In the GCYL (K through 8 grades) it's frustrating that there is a lot more discussions about HS Football (who played who, results of games, etc.) than Bearcat FB talk. I agree completely with the poster who said in the "UC must dominate the AAC" thread that the University has some work ahead trying to capture the young sports fans.

In comparison during basketball season there is much more discussion about UC BB than HS BB.

Some of that has to do with that HS and HS football is the next step for these kids. Dad might have even played at said HS. UC BBall captures the attention span between the football season and Reds spring training.

(08-29-2013 12:44 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  St I's has an outstanding program most years... lots of talent comes through that program... Hopefully they can get back to where they were before. I'll be checking out a few GCL Freshmen and Reserve games in addition to Varsity this year... How are the Panthers looking?

Yeah St. I's should be at the top of the GCYL every single year in FB when you consider their enrollment. It's crazy going to some for their FB games now, especially in the current younger grades. You have as many kids in those grades who will be going to Elder and St X now from there as they do LaSalle.

I was impressed with Elder's freshman. Not enormous size wise on the line of scrimmage, but some very good athletes across the board. From a team speed standpoint this class is probably as good as they've had. There are some really good individual players on defense.

Their sophomore class is also pretty talented. They will have at least 3 sophomores starting varsity this year and also a stud RB who would probably start at just about every other school in the city.

Varsity has looked average in their two scrimmages against Lakota West and Mason. They beat both by a few TD's but they gave up a ton of yards through the air to both. Speaking of Lakota West, that Horton kid at RB is incredibly overated. Man does he play soft for someone of his size and build.

(08-29-2013 12:48 PM)indycat Wrote:  Rarely listen to WLW these days, but I've noticed (in yet another cost cutting move) they no longer have a live sports report in the mornings; just a prerecording of "Seg" from the night before. And yes, this is all Reds and Bengals updates (paid sponsorships) and high school highlights.

Fans most places would be blown away if their BCS school's flagship station didn't even mention the sold out, nationally televised home opener against a B10 team two days before kickoff. Even "if" UC football doesn't move the needle as some might suggest, a journalist can still argue that the sports report should include stories with, "the greatest interest to the greatest number of people in the audience." No single local high school can make that claim over UC.

While it doesn't disprove anything you've said, I figured this was a good spot to mention the daily spots between Dan Hoard and Tuberville on 1530. Apparently at 11:55am each day, they're playing portions of an interview with Tubs.

Mr. Hoard links to them on his Twitter page each day after they've aired: https://twitter.com/Dan_Hoard

I’ve never understood the moving the needle argument. I have just back into the area after 12 years. One of the things that has caught my eye is the large number of people I see driving around with UC license plates/stickers. I also see a lot of people wearing UC apparel. It is casual day in my office today (we are off Friday). I’ve seen a number of people wearing UC stuff. The university has 43,000 students. There are over 150,000 living alumni in the area. The school employs over 20,000 people… Santa Ono’s face is plastered all over Metro Buses and on billboards.

Something doesn’t compute.

(08-29-2013 01:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I’ve never understood the moving the needle argument. I have just back into the area after 12 years. One of the things that has caught my eye is the large number of people I see driving around with UC license plates/stickers. I also see a lot of people wearing UC apparel. It is casual day in my office today (we are off Friday). I’ve seen a number of people wearing UC stuff. The university has 43,000 students. There are over 150,000 living alumni in the area. The school employs over 20,000 people… Santa Ono’s face is plastered all over Metro Buses and on billboards.

Something doesn’t compute.

It is much different than 10 or so years ago. If I wanted a UC shirt I had to go to JC Penny in Eastgate or DuBois/Campus. Today UC stuff is everywhere, gas stations, CVS, Grocery store. Lots more UC flags in front of houses.
Really up to all of us, the media is all Reds-Bengals.

Just glad that idiot 3CDC employee who showed OSU-Mich, over UC - Pitt in 2009, on the giant screen at Fountain Sq. isn't around anymore.