http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...ince-2000#

I was surprised to see half of the Big East on that list.

Northwestern has still never made an NCAA Tournament at all. They were retroactively awarded the 1931 championship by the Helms Athletic Foundation and did actually host the original championship game in 1939, but it still remains the only team in one of the older major conferences to have never been.

Amazing that Clemson, a school who has never looked at hoops other than a bridge between football and spring football/baseball season, has been since some schools who are supposedly dedicated to fielding decent basketball teams like Arkansas, DePaul, New Mexico, and UVA. If we ever hit our head and started caring about the worthless sport imagine what we could do.

(08-27-2013 06:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Northwestern has still never made an NCAA Tournament at all. They were retroactively awarded the 1931 championship by the Helms Athletic Foundation and did actually host the original championship game in 1939, but it still remains the only team in one of the older major conferences to have never been.

and their football program has more losses (638) than anyone else in FBS. But, because someone at that school had the good sense to join a new conference called the Big 10 way back in 1896 they've reaped the financial rewards of being associated with actual winning programs for 117 years and counting.

meanwhile a school like Miami(OH) has a bball team that's Danced 17 times, including a Sweet 16 appearance as recent as '99, and their football team has the 17th highest winning % in FBS, but any mention of them deserving a chance to move up is shouted down with outrage and indignation. go figure.

And all of those schools expect a spot in the proposed D-4, possibly ahead of UConn.

What a joke.

(08-27-2013 04:37 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I was surprised to see half of the Big East on that list.

im not.....i know this story all too well. the BE teams are not as good in BB the past few seasons as the like to pretend they are

(08-27-2013 06:41 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 06:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Northwestern has still never made an NCAA Tournament at all. They were retroactively awarded the 1931 championship by the Helms Athletic Foundation and did actually host the original championship game in 1939, but it still remains the only team in one of the older major conferences to have never been.

and their football program has more losses (638) than anyone else in FBS. But, because someone at that school had the good sense to join a new conference called the Big 10 way back in 1896 they've reaped the financial rewards of being associated with actual winning programs for 117 years and counting.

meanwhile a school like Miami(OH) has a bball team that's Danced 17 times, including a Sweet 16 appearance as recent as '99, and their football team has the 17th highest winning % in FBS, but any mention of them deserving a chance to move up is shouted down with outrage and indignation. go figure.

This figure in particular: 2012 Average attendance: 15,333

But yeah, TOTALLY deserves a spot in the B1G!

(08-27-2013 07:54 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 04:37 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I was surprised to see half of the Big East on that list.

im not.....i know this story all too well. the BE teams are not as good in BB the past few seasons as the like to pretend they are

The Big East was the best BB conference for a generation. The ACC has always been just Carolina & Duke. And the Big 10 has the worst record in March Madness of any major conference.

(08-27-2013 07:41 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  And all of those schools expect a spot in the proposed D-4, possibly ahead of UConn.

What a joke.

The joke is UConn folks thinking basketball matters anymore.

(08-27-2013 07:57 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 07:54 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 04:37 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I was surprised to see half of the Big East on that list.

im not.....i know this story all too well. the BE teams are not as good in BB the past few seasons as the like to pretend they are

The Big East was the best BB conference for a generation. The ACC has always been just Carolina & Duke. And the Big 10 has the worst record in March Madness of any major conference.

im talking big east teams like provy shu sju not uconn cuse lv pitt etc.

and yes in case you are wondering im the biggest "old big east was better than acc" homer out there

(08-27-2013 04:37 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I was surprised to see half of the Big East on that list.

Another way to think about it is that half of the Big East isn't on that list.

(08-27-2013 07:57 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 06:41 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 06:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Northwestern has still never made an NCAA Tournament at all. They were retroactively awarded the 1931 championship by the Helms Athletic Foundation and did actually host the original championship game in 1939, but it still remains the only team in one of the older major conferences to have never been.

and their football program has more losses (638) than anyone else in FBS. But, because someone at that school had the good sense to join a new conference called the Big 10 way back in 1896 they've reaped the financial rewards of being associated with actual winning programs for 117 years and counting.

meanwhile a school like Miami(OH) has a bball team that's Danced 17 times, including a Sweet 16 appearance as recent as '99, and their football team has the 17th highest winning % in FBS, but any mention of them deserving a chance to move up is shouted down with outrage and indignation. go figure.

This figure in particular: 2012 Average attendance: 15,333

But yeah, TOTALLY deserves a spot in the B1G!

thats the best you've got? attendance? really? WOW.

(08-27-2013 08:29 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 07:57 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 06:41 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 06:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Northwestern has still never made an NCAA Tournament at all. They were retroactively awarded the 1931 championship by the Helms Athletic Foundation and did actually host the original championship game in 1939, but it still remains the only team in one of the older major conferences to have never been.

and their football program has more losses (638) than anyone else in FBS. But, because someone at that school had the good sense to join a new conference called the Big 10 way back in 1896 they've reaped the financial rewards of being associated with actual winning programs for 117 years and counting.

meanwhile a school like Miami(OH) has a bball team that's Danced 17 times, including a Sweet 16 appearance as recent as '99, and their football team has the 17th highest winning % in FBS, but any mention of them deserving a chance to move up is shouted down with outrage and indignation. go figure.

This figure in particular: 2012 Average attendance: 15,333

But yeah, TOTALLY deserves a spot in the B1G!

thats the best you've got? attendance? really? WOW.

and its a pretty solid reason

(08-27-2013 08:33 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 08:29 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 07:57 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 06:41 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 06:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Northwestern has still never made an NCAA Tournament at all. They were retroactively awarded the 1931 championship by the Helms Athletic Foundation and did actually host the original championship game in 1939, but it still remains the only team in one of the older major conferences to have never been.

and their football program has more losses (638) than anyone else in FBS. But, because someone at that school had the good sense to join a new conference called the Big 10 way back in 1896 they've reaped the financial rewards of being associated with actual winning programs for 117 years and counting.

meanwhile a school like Miami(OH) has a bball team that's Danced 17 times, including a Sweet 16 appearance as recent as '99, and their football team has the 17th highest winning % in FBS, but any mention of them deserving a chance to move up is shouted down with outrage and indignation. go figure.

This figure in particular: 2012 Average attendance: 15,333

But yeah, TOTALLY deserves a spot in the B1G!

thats the best you've got? attendance? really? WOW.

and its a pretty solid reason

I just can't figure you why a program that is ignored by the national sports media and has to play 1/3 of its home games on weeknights isn't packing in 100K in the stands. It's a mystery.

From 1997 to present:
Elite 8 schools coming out of the ACC (4 total schools out of 12), 33% of them:
1. Duke.
2. UNC.
3. Maryland.
4. Georgia Tech.

From 1997 to present:
These "new" Big East schools have made the Elite 8 (7 of 10), 70% of us:
1. Georgetown.
2. Villanova.
3. Xavier.
4. Marquette.
5. Butler.
6. Providence.
7. St John's.

From 1997 to present:
Duke has a 2-6 record vs "former" Big East schools (the 16 of us) in the NCAA tournament.

Since 2004:
Only 2 schools have made the Elite-8 coming out of the ACC--> (2 of 12, or 16%):
1. Duke.
2. UNC.

From 2007 to present:
Five (5) different "new" Big East schools have made the Elite-8--> (5 of 10, or 50%):
1. Georgetown.
2. Villanova.
3. Marquette.
4. Butler.
5. Xavier.

Ugh. Why didn't you warn me this was a link to one of those annoying slide shows. For crying out loud, I cant tell you how much I hate them. Hate em! Hate em! Hate em!

(08-27-2013 06:41 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  and their football program has more losses (638) than anyone else in FBS.

Northwestern has been playing FB since 1886. Of course they have more losses than a team that started playing in 1986. Their all-time winning percentage is still .440, which is not great but not nearly as awful as you're pretending.

Over the past 10 seasons (which is probably as long as any current CFB player remembers), Northwestern is 69-57.

If you want to argue that Miami-Ohio (or any other school) "belongs" in the Big Ten or ACC or wherever, prove that they're at least as good as the middle of the league (in other words, prove that they wouldn't pull down the average if they were there). Arguing that Northwestern or anyone else didn't belong 40 years ago when their football was terrible proves nothing about whether anyone else belongs there today.

Think of it this way: If I was applying for a job at say, Google, or wherever, which would be the better job interview strategy?

(A) Spending the entire interview complaining about some mediocre long-time Google employee, or

(B) Making the case that I'd be a well-above-average Google employee based on my experience and qualifications and that the company would be a better place if they hire me.

Everyone knows that the correct answer is (B), but far too many fans of "G5" CFB teams are just arguing (A).

(08-27-2013 08:23 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 04:37 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I was surprised to see half of the Big East on that list.

Another way to think about it is that half of the Big East isn't on that list.

I was surprised to see Arkansas had fallen so far since joining the SEC. Both their fb and bb have collapsed in the SEC.