(08-24-2013 01:53 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(08-24-2013 01:39 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  I don't think we'll be adding baseball any time soon, El Paso just got a triple A team, so we're probably not adding baseball.

getting a triple A team means no baseball for UTEP? Can you explain that logic to me?

Bringing in, two brand new teams into the same market, at almost the same time would be kind of dumb, no?

(08-24-2013 11:27 PM)Lee Moses Wrote:  

(08-24-2013 07:45 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Had no idea you guys and UTEP didn't have a baseball program! Did you and UTEP have one in the past and then shut it down, or have you just never had one to begin with? Would be awesome if you guys add it. I'm not a big fan of the sport, but the only time I do enjoy it (softball as well) is when UTSA is playing. I just could never get into MLB.

I don't know about UTEP, but we had a baseball team in the past, and shut it down (along with men's soccer and tennis) to become Title IX compliant.

I used to work with a guy who played baseball at UNT back then. He told me he was a pitcher-slash-infielder - and he was the best dang slash on the team.

(08-24-2013 10:14 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  

(08-24-2013 09:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I heard the new stadium will have 2,500 seats, a few suites, and dugout access from the locker rooms. He also said something about a tailgating section out past right field. Should be nice.

Will be kinda angry if it is 2500 because of the requirements to host a regional are 3k

Sorry, but I'm sure the number mentioned was 2,500. If they count the outfield tailgating section as seating, maybe they reach the 3,000 number. I'm sure the stadium will be expandable. Personally, I'd prefer a higher quality stadium over a larger stadium. I watched Eight Men Out yesterday, and I'd love to see a retro style ballpark.

(08-25-2013 08:06 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(08-24-2013 10:14 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  

(08-24-2013 09:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I heard the new stadium will have 2,500 seats, a few suites, and dugout access from the locker rooms. He also said something about a tailgating section out past right field. Should be nice.

Will be kinda angry if it is 2500 because of the requirements to host a regional are 3k

Sorry, but I'm sure the number mentioned was 2,500. If they count the outfield tailgating section as seating, maybe they reach the 3,000 number. I'm sure the stadium will be expandable. Personally, I'd prefer a higher quality stadium over a larger stadium. I watched Eight Men Out yesterday, and I'd love to see a retro style ballpark.

I want a high quality venue, dont get me wrong. I am just concerned that they will build a high quality venue and just miss the cutoff and therefore would lose out on the chance to potentially be a host site..

I am more curious what the requirements are for hosting round robin style tournaments and how hard would it be to get some of the big boys to come to town is UNT builds a nice facility. I would love to see a DFW non-conference early season round robin of TCU, Dallas Baptist and UTA ... That would be a great thing to get going..

Good to see you coming into the league in baseball but you have a long way to go before hosting a regional. Get your stadium built and establish a program and build a baseball fan base first. A regional is a long, long, long, long, long way off in playing in one much less hosting one. Stadiums can be expanded.

(08-24-2013 08:09 AM)MeanGreenGem Wrote:  

(08-23-2013 11:37 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-23-2013 11:14 PM)Freshy Wrote:  UNT and UTEP will be the only two programs in CUSA going forward who do not have baseball programs.

$7 million should cover the cost of a pretty nice field, a rudimentary practice facility, concession stands, a ticket office, a basic press box, and an aluminum grandstand for a few hundred people. It won't be anything fancy. There won't be ivy-covered brick fences or fancy video boards. It will be a good place to start, though.

Could probably get more than you're thinking.

Charlotte got a press box, two suites, a concession, 1,500 seats (500 chairbacks, 1000 bleacher seats), new dugouts, and some other goodies for 5 million.

We already had the field though, so maybe that makes a big difference. I honestly have no idea how much the field portion costs.

UNT already has the land for this new baseball stadium inside the Mean Green Village.

A former P5 conference commish' and well known NCAA consultant,ie, Chuck Neinas says we got a heckuva' financial deal with our football stadium as far as the price was concerned. Maybe we can do the same with this new baseball stadium?

TCU has a great baseball stadium but they put more than $7 mil' into their as I recall. I hope UNT pulls out all the stops with ours. Heck, UNT officials should go to a Texas Ranger MLB player and build a nice one merely on one of their signing bonuses alone (and then name the darn stadium after that player, right)? Easy as that, right? LOL!

I do know there has been over-whelming interest for this college baseball manager's job due to location and access to some pretty good baseball talent. I think I read SMU may be reviving their baseball program again, too. TEXAS IS GOING COLLEGE BASEBALL CRAZY! lol!

"Bez'ball has been veddy' good to me." Garrett Morris, from the old SNL

As much as I'd like to see SMU revive baseball, it's not something that is being talked about except as a possibility that is a long, long way off. From what I understand, we would need to add two women's sports to comply with Title IX if we added baseball, and there's simply not enough land for a baseball stadium, a softball stadium, and facilities for another sport. We tried to partner with Highland Park HS a few years ago, building new baseball and softball facilities for them in exchange for our teams sharing with them, but HPISD ultimately turned that arrangement down.

Looking forward to seeing what UNT comes up with! Maybe if UNT can get a program going, that will get our administration to kick themselves into high gear as far as adding baseball back on the Hilltop as well.

(08-25-2013 01:55 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(08-24-2013 01:53 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(08-24-2013 01:39 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  I don't think we'll be adding baseball any time soon, El Paso just got a triple A team, so we're probably not adding baseball.

getting a triple A team means no baseball for UTEP? Can you explain that logic to me?

Bringing in, two brand new teams into the same market, at almost the same time would be kind of dumb, no?

No. Geez, you guys have 800,000 plus in the metro area. There's little doubt El Paso would support both. College ball and AAA ball are two different animals.....and UTEP will have fans that care because it's UTEP, not because it's baseball. The AAA's will have the opposite - people will go because it's baseball but not UTEP (say, the alumni of other schools).

Of course, some will go to both.

ME = I'd only go to UTEP games if I were an alum. I really like watching my alma mater teams play ball but I'm not particularly interested in the game of baseball.

MY BROTHER = if there's a baseball game in town, he's there....there might be an order of preference and in his case it would be alma mater first, AAA, his HS, top HS programs in the area, pony leagues.

(08-25-2013 12:16 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(08-23-2013 11:23 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  It would be a good addition for your school. Texas is a good baseball state. You'd be able to recruit from a deep talent pool. And who knows? After a few years of playing, you could have a good team.

I'd love for it to happen, guys. MAKE IT HAPPEN!

You wouldn't need much of a recruiting budget. Tons of talent right in the dallas area. There is a dang fine facility they could use right now at craigs ranch that hosts a good summer league for college players. Nice stadium.

Exactly. They could go ahead and start up a program in a few years while they build their on-campus ballpark. And Texas, despite being first and foremost a football state, loves its baseball, too. You wouldn't have to restrict your recruiting area to the Metroplex. You could go into Houston, San Antonio, Austin, East Texas, the Panhandle...This state is rich in talented baseball recruits. That's why I believe that North Texas has a good chance of becoming a successful baseball program a few years after its first ever game. Same with SMU, if they start one, too.

(08-25-2013 12:27 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Good to see you coming into the league in baseball but you have a long way to go before hosting a regional. Get your stadium built and establish a program and build a baseball fan base first. A regional is a long, long, long, long, long way off in playing in one much less hosting one. Stadiums can be expanded.

While I think the concern over 2,500 is not important (all that would be needed is temporary seating anyway and unless the field has 160' lines there'll be plenty of room for temp seats to satisfy any 3,000 requirement)......

I do, however, think you are extremely incorrect about any potential regional play is a long long long long way off --- for several reasons (1) it's not nearly the length of time to get a top notch baseball program as it is football or even basketball (assuming commitment from admin to HAVE a top notch program); (2) Denton is right there with a very large baseball hotspot meaning lots of recruits are available; (3) Baseball teams can only have (approximately) 11-12 scholarships per team...almost everyone is either a walk-on or has less than a full scholarship. (4) Most universities require payment of out of state tuition for out of state athletes (from the athletic department coffers to the general fund coffers) - since baseball is not a money generator there's a tendency to recruit more in-state players...Texas has a ton of in-state players from which to recruit and from which ou, osu and other nearby universities will typically not recruit (not always, but a standard approach)...(5) considerably decreased "red shirts" in baseball (for the aforementioned financial reasons)...(6) a ton of JC transfers are primary contributors in college baseball...(7) lots and lots more reasons but I'm tired of writing.

A new baseball team with a wise choice of coaches and proper facilities can be very successful by year three.

(08-25-2013 12:06 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  

(08-25-2013 08:06 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(08-24-2013 10:14 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  

(08-24-2013 09:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I heard the new stadium will have 2,500 seats, a few suites, and dugout access from the locker rooms. He also said something about a tailgating section out past right field. Should be nice.

Will be kinda angry if it is 2500 because of the requirements to host a regional are 3k

Sorry, but I'm sure the number mentioned was 2,500. If they count the outfield tailgating section as seating, maybe they reach the 3,000 number. I'm sure the stadium will be expandable. Personally, I'd prefer a higher quality stadium over a larger stadium. I watched Eight Men Out yesterday, and I'd love to see a retro style ballpark.

I want a high quality venue, dont get me wrong. I am just concerned that they will build a high quality venue and just miss the cutoff and therefore would lose out on the chance to potentially be a host site..

I am more curious what the requirements are for hosting round robin style tournaments and how hard would it be to get some of the big boys to come to town is UNT builds a nice facility. I would love to see a DFW non-conference early season round robin of TCU, Dallas Baptist and UTA ... That would be a great thing to get going..

I checked on the seating capacity for some of the local teams, and this is what I found.

TCU 4,500
Dallas Baptist- 2,000
UTA- 1,600

I think a 2,500 seat ballpark would be very nice compared to some of the top programs in DFW.

Well I wish you all the luck in the world. Don't make plans to host a Regional any time soon though. Buy a baseball first.

(08-25-2013 02:02 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(08-25-2013 12:27 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Good to see you coming into the league in baseball but you have a long way to go before hosting a regional. Get your stadium built and establish a program and build a baseball fan base first. A regional is a long, long, long, long, long way off in playing in one much less hosting one. Stadiums can be expanded.

While I think the concern over 2,500 is not important (all that would be needed is temporary seating anyway and unless the field has 160' lines there'll be plenty of room for temp seats to satisfy any 3,000 requirement)......

I do, however, think you are extremely incorrect about any potential regional play is a long long long long way off --- for several reasons (1) it's not nearly the length of time to get a top notch baseball program as it is football or even basketball (assuming commitment from admin to HAVE a top notch program); (2) Denton is right there with a very large baseball hotspot meaning lots of recruits are available; (3) Baseball teams can only have (approximately) 11-12 scholarships per team...almost everyone is either a walk-on or has less than a full scholarship. (4) Most universities require payment of out of state tuition for out of state athletes (from the athletic department coffers to the general fund coffers) - since baseball is not a money generator there's a tendency to recruit more in-state players...Texas has a ton of in-state players from which to recruit and from which ou, osu and other nearby universities will [b]typically not recruit [/b](not always, but a standard approach)...(5) considerably decreased "red shirts" in baseball (for the aforementioned financial reasons)...(6) a ton of JC transfers are primary contributors in college baseball...(7) lots and lots more reasons but I'm tired of writing.

A new baseball team with a wise choice of coaches and proper facilities can be very successful by year three.

where do people come up with crap like this.....yea OU is going to scrimp on where they recruit players from because of some (probably factually incorrect) notion that the university might make athletics pay out of state tuition for baseball players

http://www.soonersports.com/SportSelect....SID=750376

19 out of 32 players on the OU baseball team are from Texas with a large number from the metromess

9 for OkState with several from the metromess

11 for Arkansas with the vast majority of those 11 from the metromess

add in that while north Texas state and SMU do not have baseball Dallas Baptist and UTA do

not to mention there are 21 D1-A Baseball programs in Texas vs 12 D1-A football programs and there are 12 in Louisiana VS 5 for football and 3 in Oklahoma with ORU instead of Tulsa

so there is going to be plenty of competition for recruits coming out of the DFW from both in state and out of state programs

La Tech with 11 recruits out of Texas and a majority from the metromess

http://www.latechsports.com/sports/m-bas...l-mtt.html

See You Later McNeese State with 9

http://www.mcneesesports.com/roster.aspx?path=baseball

Tulane 9 out of Texas

http://www.tulanegreenwave.com/sports/m-...l-mtt.html

7 for Oral Roberts

http://www.orugoldeneagles.com/SportSele...PSID=87153

so really it is pretty clear that major and minor baseball programs will recruit wherever they need to to feel they can compete and they will especially recruit Texas and the DFW metro area and with 21 programs in Texas 12 in Louisiana and 3 in Oklahoma for 36 total programs in baseball VS 20 for football in D1-A

and there are 3 metroplex D1-A baseball programs just like 3 football programs so it is pretty clear the competition for recruits is as intense in the DFW metro area and in Texas if not more intense for baseball VS football

there are also 36 JuCo baseball programs in Texas VS 6 JuCo football programs and with minor leagues so prevalent for baseball that does not mean there will be more JuCo players available to recruit for D1-A programs it means there are more places for players to go play a season or two before they try and get some type of pro league offer and then of course there is the fact that baseball signs players right out of high school which is direct competition for D1-A baseball unlike football

but hey it is north Texas state all they have ever had to do is just start a program and watch success flow in with ease!!!

UAB will begin playing games next year at Regions Field. A brand new baseball park that was built for the barons. its located adjacent to the far north of our campus. When our on campus football stadium is eventually built it will about one block away

I hate to hear the Blazers will be playing in a minor league park. I think it takes away from the college experience to play in a professional park. I know most won't feel that way....just a quirk I have.

Correct me if I am wrong Miner fans but I thought you HAD baseball a long time ago.

(08-25-2013 10:31 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  I hate to hear the Blazers will be playing in a minor league park. I think it takes away from the college experience to play in a professional park. I know most won't feel that way....just a quirk I have.

depends on the quality of the current stadium compared to the minor league ball park

The Barons' park just won an award for best new stadium in all of professional baseball this year.

(08-23-2013 11:37 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-23-2013 11:14 PM)Freshy Wrote:  UNT and UTEP will be the only two programs in CUSA going forward who do not have baseball programs.

$7 million should cover the cost of a pretty nice field, a rudimentary practice facility, concession stands, a ticket office, a basic press box, and an aluminum grandstand for a few hundred people. It won't be anything fancy. There won't be ivy-covered brick fences or fancy video boards. It will be a good place to start, though.

Could probably get more than you're thinking.

Charlotte got a press box, two suites, a concession, 1,500 seats (500 chairbacks, 1000 bleacher seats), new dugouts, and some other goodies for 5 million.

We already had the field though, so maybe that makes a big difference. I honestly have no idea how much the field portion costs.

Nit-picky, but I believe (IIRC) that ours actually cost a little over $6M.

Hope y'all get that baseball program up and running!