With Mideast in Crisis, Obama on Tour

Still campaignig instead of leading.
As far as the article goes, isn't education pretty much free anyways? It's not like poor kids are kept out of public schools. O just pandering to his base again.

SOAF, how much does fox 'news' pay you to post all their obama bashing articles on here?

(08-23-2013 09:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  SOAF, how much does fox 'news' pay you to post all their obama bashing articles on here?

Probably the same amout Obama pays you to distract us from what he's really doing.

(08-23-2013 09:26 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(08-23-2013 09:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  SOAF, how much does fox 'news' pay you to post all their obama bashing articles on here?

Probably the same amout Obama pays you to distract us from what he's really doing.

And that is......

Quote:WASHINGTON – President Obama’s two-day bus tour touting his revamped education plan has raised questions about his priorities as the Middle East convulses with violence and political upheaval.

On the same morning Obama traveled to address students at the University of Buffalo, Egypt’s deposed former leader Hosni Mubarak was released from jail, four rockets were fired near Israel and global powers bickered at the U.N. over how to respond to an alleged deadly chemical gas attack in Syria.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., issued a blistering statement Thursday morning in response to the latest violence in Syria. "American credibility in the Middle East has never been lower," he said.

The Republican National Committee, meanwhile, derisively dubbed the Obama trip the "lame duck" bus tour.

But White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Thursday that having Obama on the road and rolling out new education reforms for American families is exactly where the president’s focus should be.

Dare I say that I agree with Obama a little bit here...?

Seriously. Tired of the Middle East insane asylum. Drop foreign aid. Don't commit troops or weapons. Let them sort it out. In any current conflict, such as in Syria and Egypt, we're not even sure if there are any players worth helping.

So does McCain want to do? Give billions in aid and weapons to the Syrian "rebels"? Start dropping bombs?

(08-23-2013 09:32 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

Quote:WASHINGTON – President Obama’s two-day bus tour touting his revamped education plan has raised questions about his priorities as the Middle East convulses with violence and political upheaval.

On the same morning Obama traveled to address students at the University of Buffalo, Egypt’s deposed former leader Hosni Mubarak was released from jail, four rockets were fired near Israel and global powers bickered at the U.N. over how to respond to an alleged deadly chemical gas attack in Syria.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., issued a blistering statement Thursday morning in response to the latest violence in Syria. "American credibility in the Middle East has never been lower," he said.

The Republican National Committee, meanwhile, derisively dubbed the Obama trip the "lame duck" bus tour.

But White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Thursday that having Obama on the road and rolling out new education reforms for American families is exactly where the president’s focus should be.

Dare I say that I agree with Obama a little bit here...?

Seriously. Tired of the Middle East insane asylum. Drop foreign aid. Don't commit troops or weapons. Let them sort it out. In any current conflict, such as in Syria and Egypt, we're not even sure if there are any players worth helping.

So does McCain want to do? Give billions in aid and weapons to the Syrian "rebels"? Start dropping bombs?

So what does that say to our allies and enemies.

@ Obama he couldn't lead his way out of a wet paper bag

(08-23-2013 09:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  SOAF, how much does fox 'news' pay you to post all their obama bashing articles on here?

Foxnews does not care about csnbbs, stupid.

(08-23-2013 09:32 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Seriously. Tired of the Middle East insane asylum. Drop foreign aid. Don't commit troops or weapons. Let them sort it out. In any current conflict, such as in Syria and Egypt, we're not even sure if there are any players worth helping.

The "drop foreign aid" to Egypt concept has been played up a lot, but here is a list of those that are in support of aid to Egypt:

• Obama
• McCain
• Saudi Arabia
• Bahrain
• United Arab Emirates
• Israel
  

On the other side, you primarily have:

• Qatar (who inserted the MB in the leadership of the Syrian Opposition, as well as propping up Morsi)
• Lindsey Graham
• Obama's detractors
• Libertarians, and non-interventionists in general
  

I understand and sympathize with the principled non-interventionist sentiment. However, pragmatism leads me to conclude that now (both the near and intermediate term) would be a very bad time to act to cut off aid to Egypt. Bahrain and Saudi are now pumping money into Egypt so cutting off aid wouldn't really have a substantial impact except for symbolism. But that aid is really the one thing that the US can do to prevent a broad conflict in the Middle East. Should the tide swing back toward the MB in Egypt, then the Camp David accords (i.e. nominal peace between Israel and Egypt) would fall by the wayside pretty quickly in the absence of US aid. If Egypt were to reneg on the Camp David accords, then Iran can provoke a wider conflict at its whim by giving Hezbollah the nudge to launch rockets into Israel to provoke them, which could quickly spiral out of control...

By the way, did anyone notice the sequence of events that began with chemical weapons use in Syria, followed by four rockets flying into northern Israel? What will be interesting is if there are retaliations by the MB against Hezbollah in Lebanon for what Assad did in Syria. All in all, I'd rather let the Egyptians deal with Egypt and not try to change the status quo in our relationship at this time.

If we don't intervene, the military will prevail in Egypt.

This whole thing started because Mubarak wanted his son to succeed him, and the military thinks his son is an a-hole. So they let it be known that they would stand aside if the citizens wanted to riot. The Arab Spring went a little further than the military wanted, so they retook control. They are by far the most powerful force in the country, and unless we undermine them they will reconsolidate their power.

The Arab countries do not have well-developed free market economies. Without a free market, democracy is impossible. So there are basically three possible results--military dictatorship, theocratic dictatorship, or socialist dictatorship. Military dictatorship is the least objectionable of the three.

(08-23-2013 09:32 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

Quote:WASHINGTON – President Obama’s two-day bus tour touting his revamped education plan has raised questions about his priorities as the Middle East convulses with violence and political upheaval.

On the same morning Obama traveled to address students at the University of Buffalo, Egypt’s deposed former leader Hosni Mubarak was released from jail, four rockets were fired near Israel and global powers bickered at the U.N. over how to respond to an alleged deadly chemical gas attack in Syria.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., issued a blistering statement Thursday morning in response to the latest violence in Syria. "American credibility in the Middle East has never been lower," he said.

The Republican National Committee, meanwhile, derisively dubbed the Obama trip the "lame duck" bus tour.

But White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Thursday that having Obama on the road and rolling out new education reforms for American families is exactly where the president’s focus should be.

Dare I say that I agree with Obama a little bit here...?

Seriously. Tired of the Middle East insane asylum. Drop foreign aid. Don't commit troops or weapons. Let them sort it out. In any current conflict, such as in Syria and Egypt, we're not even sure if there are any players worth helping.

So does McCain want to do? Give billions in aid and weapons to the Syrian "rebels"? Start dropping bombs?

Why does it have to be some extreme? Because we now have NO credibility and NO influence. This place hasn't "always" been a burning tire dump. ES simply assumed that he could go make some grand platitude speech in Cairo, say essentially nothing, the ME would all fall in love with him for whatever reason and it'd be kumbaya from there on out.

Wrong. They can smell fear and weakness faster than a pack of rabid dogs. They don't respect us over there, maybe they never really did, but at the least they damn well feared us, if only enough.

Now? not a lick. Disengagement has turned that entire region into a bloody killing field. Men, women, children, Christians, Muslims, maybe even an atheist or two. Chemical warfare has started for the first time in generations and what is our Ditherer in Chief doing? Campaigning about giving kids a free ride to government run Universities.

Great, just great. Wrecking the worlds greatest, most successful healthcare delivery system isn't good enough for him, he's now setting about ruining what's left of our education system.