(08-25-2013 04:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-25-2013 03:59 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-25-2013 03:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The other thing to keep in mind is that the north schools did NOT want this to happen:

B12 South: UT/OU/OSU/TTU/BU/TCU

B12 North: KU/KSU/ISU/WVU/UC/UL

Being put back in a weaker North league where they would have limited access to TX and only get visits from OU and UT once every 4 years was not what any of them wanted.

And thats what would have happened because the South teams would never agree to a split up zipper

Still holds true today and that reality will continue to limit the Big 12 to a 10 team conference going into the future. Oklahoma has to know that and so does Texas. There is zero future possibility of the Big 12 expanding due to this, in my opinion. Sure I take part in discussions about who could be nice additions but the problem you state will always be there.

And as long as they stay at 10 the conferences around them will begin to outpace their revenue and their days are numbered and there is the catch 22. I love how they throw around 21 to 22 million per team in payout when West Virginia and TCU are only making 11 each. I doubt we see Oklahoma and Texas in this conference when West Virginia and T.C.U. get to full share status and each school loses 2 million plus to true equal shares for ten teams.

Go over to certain Big 12 conference forums and say that. You too can earn lovely little trolls that come find you when you stop providing them someone to hate by posting in their forums.

It is true though, so true. They like to think that their GoR is untouchable and they like to not face the fact that they are making as much as they are because the overall money is really only divided 9 ways instead of 10.

They have to get as much mileage out of "highest pay out conference" as they can before WVU and TCU get their full shares and there is no more exit fee money to split.

(08-25-2013 04:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-25-2013 03:59 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-25-2013 03:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The other thing to keep in mind is that the north schools did NOT want this to happen:

B12 South: UT/OU/OSU/TTU/BU/TCU

B12 North: KU/KSU/ISU/WVU/UC/UL

Being put back in a weaker North league where they would have limited access to TX and only get visits from OU and UT once every 4 years was not what any of them wanted.

And thats what would have happened because the South teams would never agree to a split up zipper

Still holds true today and that reality will continue to limit the Big 12 to a 10 team conference going into the future. Oklahoma has to know that and so does Texas. There is zero future possibility of the Big 12 expanding due to this, in my opinion. Sure I take part in discussions about who could be nice additions but the problem you state will always be there.

And as long as they stay at 10 the conferences around them will begin to outpace their revenue and their days are numbered and there is the catch 22. I love how they throw around 21 to 22 million per team in payout when West Virginia and TCU are only making 11 each. I doubt we see Oklahoma and Texas in this conference when West Virginia and T.C.U. get to full share status and each school loses 2 million plus to true equal shares for ten teams.

not only that but that 21 mill figure came during a freakish season when they had 60% of their conference was in the preseason rankings and had 90% of their conference make a bowl. odds are they have a season like that again are slim.

(08-22-2013 08:26 AM)SMUfrat Wrote:  OK those of you not from Texas, I will let you in on a little secret...

TAMU v. UT was ALWAYS on turkey day... and it was a huge hit.

This game was on Friday morning for a number of years with the creation of the Big 12 and the TV numbers were not good.

Before TAMU moved to the SEC, they tried to develop rivalries between Arkansas and LSU.

TAMU had a history with LSU going back to the SWC days. But it had been years since this series was played on a regular basis. The game against Arkansas was an annual game in the SWC.

So the aggies jumped / asked / begged for this tradition to sudo live on... through their biggest / closest "rival" LSU.

I am sure this game will be interesting... but it is just BLARRINGLY obvious the Aggies are trying to recreate something that is already dead. Actually, the SEC is looking to create THE college FB game in Texas to push UT back to number 2 in the state. This is much more the SEC than TAMU.

On that note, however... Texas has completely manipulated the minions in the Big12 by forcing the schedule to give them a Thanksgiving Day game AT AUSTIN, every year, changing up their opponents each time. This game used to go back and forth from Austin and College Station.

This will be a hilarious head to head battle between butt hurt schools that wont even be on the same field.

I've got mixed feelings on the Big 12 long term. I think dividing 10 ways over 12 or 14 makes it a lot easier. 1/5 your conference is Texas/Oklahoma (great football value) and 1/10 is Kansas (excellent basketball value). That's a lot of value you don't have to divide too many ways. It also has the advantage of making it easier for a larger percent of the teams to compete (since against fewer teams).

On the flip side, the demographics suck, down years can look worse, and the conference is top heavy. The grant of rights protects for the next decade or so. After that, it's debatable whether the value remains for the top teams. If they stay, the Big 12 remains a power conference.

(08-25-2013 06:54 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I've got mixed feelings on the Big 12 long term. I think dividing 10 ways over 12 or 14 makes it a lot easier. 1/5 your conference is Texas/Oklahoma (great football value) and 1/10 is Kansas (excellent basketball value). That's a lot of value you don't have to divide too many ways. It also has the advantage of making it easier for a larger percent of the teams to compete (since against fewer teams).

On the flip side, the demographics suck, down years can look worse, and the conference is top heavy. The grant of rights protects for the next decade or so. After that, it's debatable whether the value remains for the top teams. If they stay, the Big 12 remains a power conference.

They have had to basically tell a "little white lie" just so that they can say they are getting paid equivalent to everyone else. Technically they are correct but technically they failed to spell out the details which are that their payout will go down when WVU and TCU start getting paid fully. The conference sits with the smallest populated footprint by far. It's viewing percentage in those areas is great but even then they weren't blowing anyone away. Overall in fact some of their best ratings games weren't Big 12 vs Big 12 match ups.

The GoR is a great deterrant but is certainly is no "Great Wall of China" in terms of keeping the hordes back. That is especially the case if folks on their side of the wall are opening the Gates.

The SEC should work out an arrangement with the B12 to restore the KU-Mizzou and TAMU-UT rivalries for the Thanksgiving weekend. As it stands now, Arkansas and Mizzou are left to play each other as an interdivision game, which is not preferable.

(08-25-2013 07:29 PM)orangefan Wrote:  The SEC should work out an arrangement with the B12 to restore the KU-Mizzou and TAMU-UT rivalries for the Thanksgiving weekend. As it stands now, Arkansas and Mizzou are left to play each other as an interdivision game, which is not preferable.

We are open to it. It's Texas and Kansas that are not. And if they really wanted to renew those rivalries they could always join the SEC. .....Well, Kansas anyway.

no b12 team wants to play mizz/aggie

the b12 is only hurting themselves with their ego

(08-25-2013 07:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-25-2013 06:54 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I've got mixed feelings on the Big 12 long term. I think dividing 10 ways over 12 or 14 makes it a lot easier. 1/5 your conference is Texas/Oklahoma (great football value) and 1/10 is Kansas (excellent basketball value). That's a lot of value you don't have to divide too many ways. It also has the advantage of making it easier for a larger percent of the teams to compete (since against fewer teams).

On the flip side, the demographics suck, down years can look worse, and the conference is top heavy. The grant of rights protects for the next decade or so. After that, it's debatable whether the value remains for the top teams. If they stay, the Big 12 remains a power conference.

They have had to basically tell a "little white lie" just so that they can say they are getting paid equivalent to everyone else. Technically they are correct but technically they failed to spell out the details which are that their payout will go down when WVU and TCU start getting paid fully. The conference sits with the smallest populated footprint by far. It's viewing percentage in those areas is great but even then they weren't blowing anyone away. Overall in fact some of their best ratings games weren't Big 12 vs Big 12 match ups.

The GoR is a great deterrant but is certainly is no "Great Wall of China" in terms of keeping the hordes back. That is especially the case if folks on their side of the wall are opening the Gates.

You are all totally misinformed on the finances. The Big 12 commissioner has said he expects the Big 12 to be the highest paid league per school in 2014. The SEC commissioner said that might well be true. The Big 12 at 10 members will be making nearly $3 million more a year/team than the 14 team conferences from the Major bowl deal (Sugar for them) and playoffs.

We have a deal with LSU, so no room for UT at thanksgiving

It's probably going to be a LONG time before that series ever comes back

An important point to keep in my mind with the Big 12 is that tier 3 rights are not included with conference payouts and each school can sell their own. Obviously Texas is getting the most, but that money is still not unsubstantial for the others. Kansas was actually was actually making the most off tier 3 rights until Texas managed the Longhorn Network.

My guess is that for the duration of this contract, the Big 12 is set fine compared other power conferences. Remember CFP money only divided 10 ways too on top of the regular TV money. The big question for them is the next go round.

Also, WVU-TCU don't get full shares till 2016

(08-25-2013 08:24 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Also, WVU-TCU don't get full shares till 2016

Yes and right now that is an additional 21-22 million the other 8 teams are splitting. Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia are the ones whose third tier rights will keep them competitive or better. The rest not so much. But then that's the way Bevo likes it.

ive seen a lot of discussion on this thread and also on this forum about Houston getting the shaft from the b12 because texas didnt want to elevate another texas public school. i guess that conversation is good in theory but i recently saw a link ranking fanbase size's (in 2010) that put them at 112 out of 120. which is a total game changer if were gonna be having that sort of argument.

Texas A&M and LSU will no longer play on Thanksgiving after this year.

http://www.chron.com/sports/aggies/artic...220893.php

(08-22-2013 08:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 08:04 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  We'll see. NYJ-NE did a 5.8 last year while Texas-TCU did a 1.1 rating.

Texas 16 vs TCU unranked is not really a good game at all. Definitely not what LSU/Texas A&M could potentially be. Last year that would have been a top 10 matchup.

Yes...LSU will mean all of the SEC area will be watching

Forced rivalrys don't work.

it is from comments that are old

but the reality is Texas did not "force" other teams to come to UT every year for the Thanksgiving weekend game other schools were in favor of that because so many of the others have students that have gone home and are not in town for the game and they also have fans that have other travel plans so they are not going to travel to the game

UT said no problem we will play the game on that Thursday or Friday and you can come here

with the exception of OU all the other programs rely in large numbers of students and large numbers of fans that will travel more than an hour each way to come to the game and the UT/OU game is not going to move from the State Fair of Texas date

and for the schools in question going to Texas for that Thursday or Friday game is a win/win for them because they get to avoid having a game that will have smaller attendance at their stajium and they pretty much get a guarantee that the game will get major coverage so their fans can still watch the game with ease instead of having their team's game on some channel they might not get wherever they are for the holidays

also if any of the others were going to host UT for a game on the Thursday or Friday they would have one of their games that is the biggest draw on a day when it will be the hardest to draw fans and when the largest number of their students will not be in town to see that game

it would be like having your UT game moved to a random Thursday night game or a Tuesday night game and watching attendance and the price you can charge for tickets drop to the floor

The NFL pretty much owns Thanksgiving. I am glad the TCU-Texas game is now on Friday. Thursday games are tough on families.