(08-22-2013 10:30 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  After Tulane leaves its left to Rice to carry the flag for CUSA. And I'm sorry but what academic powerhouses does the MAC have?....

The USNWR rankings has Miami(OH), UMass, Buffalo, and Ohio in the top 10 of G5 schools. There are other ways to measure academics, obviously, but typically these are the 4 schools that tend to lead the MAC.

CUSA- Rice: 17; RU/VH
AAC- Tulane: 51; RU/VH
AAC- SMU: 58; RU/H
AAC- UConn: 63; RU/VH
AAC- Tulsa: 83; DRU
MAC- Miami: 89; RU/H
MAC- UMass: 97; RU/VH
MAC- Buffalo: 106; RU/VH
AAC- Temple: 125; RU/H
MAC- Ohio: 131; RU/H

(08-22-2013 09:15 AM)Niner National Wrote:  The MAC is definitely a better academic conference than CUSA.

They have AAU certified institutions, we do not. They also have two state flagship universities with Buffalo and UMass. CUSA, Sun Belt, SEC, and MWC are probably the bottom 4 (in no particular order).

Um...Rice is an AAU school.

I haven't read the rest of the thread, but I hope someone else pointed that out.

(08-22-2013 01:00 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Lol SEC. They should be thankful they have Vandy, Florida, and Mizzou when it comes to academic ls. After that, FAU has higher standards against all other SEC schools (except for Texas A&M)

Admission standards are a bogus point. Most SEC schools have competitive admission, which usually lists a low starting point. But in reality those students close to the bottom have almost no chance of getting in.

An example is Tennessee vs. Memphis and MTSU. Both Memphis and MTSU have higher minimum standards, but we HAVE to take someone who meets them. Tennessee shows a lower standard, but their "real" baseline is much higher because they don't take those risky bottom tier kids.

Memphis is trying to get permission to do competitive admission. Every time we seem on the verge of getting it, the issue seems to get put on the back burner.

Buffalo is a flagship university....wut....

(08-22-2013 02:25 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Buffalo is a flagship university....wut....

They're AAU. Sooo......

PAC 12 on top? Nice!

(08-22-2013 09:15 AM)Niner National Wrote:  They have AAU certified institutions, we do not. They also have two state flagship universities with Buffalo and UMass. CUSA, Sun Belt, SEC, and MWC are probably the bottom 4 (in no particular order).

UNT is the flagship of their system.

(08-22-2013 10:47 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 10:25 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 09:58 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  1. ACC
2. B10
3. PAC12
4. BIG12
5. SEC
6. MAC
7. AAC
8. CUSA
9. MWC
10. SBC

ACC #1 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Hard to argue against- it's close between ACC and Big10.

In 2012: http://outkickthecoverage.com/us-news-ra...rences.php

ACC:
Duke- 8
ND- 17
UVA (ugh)- 24
Wake- 27
UNC-CHeat- 30
BC- 31
GT- 36
Miami- 44
Syracuse- 58
Maryland- 58
Pitt- 58
Clemson- 68
VT- 72
FSU- 97
NCSU- 106
Louisville- 160

Big 10:
Northwestern- 12
Michigan- 29
Wisconsin- 41
Penn St- 46
Illinois- 46
Ohio St- 56
Purdue- 65
Minn- 68
Michigan State- 72
Iowa- 72
Indiana- 83
Nebraska- 101

I don't know if USNWR is the most credible source, because we learned that schools like Clemson and Florida do some crazy stuff. And one other point that needs to be made is that I don't know if Notre Dame is an AAU school. However, almost all of those B10 schools except I think Nebraska are AAU. I think that the B10 is the best conference academically pretty much hands down. I think that is pretty much accepted at this point.

(08-22-2013 09:53 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  Big 10 on balance is probably a bit ahead of the Pac 12.

Pac 12 has some great schools, but is a bit top heavy.

The California Schools are all top notch academic institutions. I'm not sure about the rest of the schools in the PAC 12.

Who cares about the AAU?

UAB brings in more research dollars than any AAU school.

http://chronicle.com/article/Chart-Many-...ies/65199/

(08-22-2013 03:28 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  Who cares about the AAU?

UAB brings in more research dollars than any AAU school.

http://chronicle.com/article/Chart-Many-...ies/65199/

I think you read that chart wrong. It says you bring in more $ than 19 of the AAU members

(08-22-2013 03:36 PM)Hilltop1215 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 03:28 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  Who cares about the AAU?

UAB brings in more research dollars than any AAU school.

http://chronicle.com/article/Chart-Many-...ies/65199/

I think you read that chart wrong. It says you bring in more $ than 19 of the AAU members

Sorry. I meant to say than any AAU school in C-USA.

(08-22-2013 03:55 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 03:36 PM)Hilltop1215 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 03:28 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  Who cares about the AAU?

UAB brings in more research dollars than any AAU school.

http://chronicle.com/article/Chart-Many-...ies/65199/

I think you read that chart wrong. It says you bring in more $ than 19 of the AAU members

Sorry. I meant to say than any AAU school in C-USA.

Well, we don't have a med school, soooo...

(08-22-2013 02:20 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 01:00 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Lol SEC. They should be thankful they have Vandy, Florida, and Mizzou when it comes to academic ls. After that, FAU has higher standards against all other SEC schools (except for Texas A&M)

Admission standards are a bogus point. Most SEC schools have competitive admission, which usually lists a low starting point. But in reality those students close to the bottom have almost no chance of getting in.

An example is Tennessee vs. Memphis and MTSU. Both Memphis and MTSU have higher minimum standards, but we HAVE to take someone who meets them. Tennessee shows a lower standard, but their "real" baseline is much higher because they don't take those risky bottom tier kids.

Memphis is trying to get permission to do competitive admission. Every time we seem on the verge of getting it, the issue seems to get put on the back burner.

Not doubting the accuracy of your post in any way, 99, but why is this the case?

(08-22-2013 10:30 PM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:20 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 01:00 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Lol SEC. They should be thankful they have Vandy, Florida, and Mizzou when it comes to academic ls. After that, FAU has higher standards against all other SEC schools (except for Texas A&M)

Admission standards are a bogus point. Most SEC schools have competitive admission, which usually lists a low starting point. But in reality those students close to the bottom have almost no chance of getting in.

An example is Tennessee vs. Memphis and MTSU. Both Memphis and MTSU have higher minimum standards, but we HAVE to take someone who meets them. Tennessee shows a lower standard, but their "real" baseline is much higher because they don't take those risky bottom tier kids.

Memphis is trying to get permission to do competitive admission. Every time we seem on the verge of getting it, the issue seems to get put on the back burner.

Not doubting the accuracy of your post in any way, 99, but why is this the case?

In which way?

Why is UT permitted competitive admissions the rest of us are denied? They're "the" state school and get their way. Just be glad their proposal inthe late-90's didn't happen. They wanted to merge UT and TBR, and make all UT schools (Martin, Chattenooga, etc.) the top tier "research institutions" and all TBR schools "teaching schools". Nevermind that in more than a handful of fields, the U of M stomps UT in research.

Why have our attempts to get competitive admissions fallen flat on their face? Call me a cynic, but I feel UT has some hand in this, along with an overall lack of love for West TN (and Memphis, specifically) from the rest of the state. TBR has been resistant to it (filled with UT shills) as well. Overall, our state...with it's geographical split...should be pushing for three major research schools, with one in each region of the state (east, middle, west). However, the overall (short sighted) legislative mindset is we just can't have that many big research schools and we should all just focus on propping up UT. States much smaller than ours manage to have 2-3 big research schools...there's no good reason we can't as well.

(08-23-2013 01:41 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 10:30 PM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:20 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 01:00 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Lol SEC. They should be thankful they have Vandy, Florida, and Mizzou when it comes to academic ls. After that, FAU has higher standards against all other SEC schools (except for Texas A&M)

Admission standards are a bogus point. Most SEC schools have competitive admission, which usually lists a low starting point. But in reality those students close to the bottom have almost no chance of getting in.

An example is Tennessee vs. Memphis and MTSU. Both Memphis and MTSU have higher minimum standards, but we HAVE to take someone who meets them. Tennessee shows a lower standard, but their "real" baseline is much higher because they don't take those risky bottom tier kids.

Memphis is trying to get permission to do competitive admission. Every time we seem on the verge of getting it, the issue seems to get put on the back burner.

Not doubting the accuracy of your post in any way, 99, but why is this the case?

In which way?

Why is UT permitted competitive admissions the rest of us are denied? They're "the" state school and get their way. Just be glad their proposal inthe late-90's didn't happen. They wanted to merge UT and TBR, and make all UT schools (Martin, Chattenooga, etc.) the top tier "research institutions" and all TBR schools "teaching schools". Nevermind that in more than a handful of fields, the U of M stomps UT in research.

Why have our attempts to get competitive admissions fallen flat on their face? Call me a cynic, but I feel UT has some hand in this, along with an overall lack of love for West TN (and Memphis, specifically) from the rest of the state. TBR has been resistant to it (filled with UT shills) as well. Overall, our state...with it's geographical split...should be pushing for three major research schools, with one in each region of the state (east, middle, west). However, the overall (short sighted) legislative mindset is we just can't have that many big research schools and we should all just focus on propping up UT. States much smaller than ours manage to have 2-3 big research schools...there's no good reason we can't as well.

Sorry if my question was a little vague. I was wondering why our schools "had" to take everyone who qualified whereas UT doesn't. You answered that very well and I thank you.

I agree with your assessment about the way the UT system perpetuates their own dominance. It's frustrating and disgusting.

Look for CUSA to drop to the bottom of the rankings when WKU joins next year.

(08-22-2013 01:00 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Lol SEC. They should be thankful they have Vandy, Florida, and Mizzou when it comes to academic ls. After that, FAU has higher standards against all other SEC schools (except for Texas A&M)

FAU = National - RNP (ranked, not published). This means the absolute highest ranking they have is #200. The sec schools you listed are all highly ranked but are not necessarily the highest ranked within the sec...the rest you didn't mention....

Georgia = # 63 National
Alabama = #77 National
Auburn = #89 National
Tennessee = #101 National
South Carolina = #115 National
Kentucky = #125 National
LSU/Arkansas = tied for #134 National
Ole Miss = #151 National
MSU = #160 National

Sorry, I hate me some sec.....and I'm all about conference brethren, but academically there is little doubt (actually, zero doubt) that unbiased evaluations show every single sec school outranks FAU.

(08-22-2013 09:34 AM)919R Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 09:15 AM)Niner National Wrote:  The MAC is definitely a better academic conference than CUSA.

They have AAU certified institutions, we do not. They also have two state flagship universities with Buffalo and UMass. CUSA, Sun Belt, SEC, and MWC are probably the bottom 4 (in no particular order).

I don't know about Buffalo or UMass, but being a "flagship" school doesn't necessarily mean great academics. The U. of South Carolina is a "flagship" and they literally let most anyone in and I THINK Ohio State is similar, but not positive.

Both have higher ratings than Charlotte. Ohio State is damn near a top 50 institution (56).

(08-22-2013 10:25 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 09:58 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  1. ACC
2. B10
3. PAC12
4. BIG12
5. SEC
6. MAC
7. AAC
8. CUSA
9. MWC
10. SBC

ACC #1 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Average USNWR academic ranking for all schools in the {{{cartel}}} conferences.

ACC -- 51.2
Big Ten -- 57.5
Pac 12 -- 81.75
SEC -- 98.7
Big 12 -- 113.1
Big East -- 130.6

This is the USNWR rankings for the six cartel conferences....made at the beginning of the 2012-2013 academic year.

There is very very little doubt that of the academic rankings, the ACC is the highest rated of those sponsoring Div 1 football. None will outrank the Ivy League......but aside from that, the only conference even close to the ACC is the Big Ten.