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(08-26-2013 11:16 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Larry Brown took the SMU job when they were headed to the Big East. The likelihood is that he wouldn't have accepted, nor would SMU have decided to invest heavily in hoops, if SMU was still in the old CUSA.

Isn't SMU still in CUSA? Could have fooled me.
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(08-26-2013 11:23 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 11:16 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Larry Brown took the SMU job when they were headed to the Big East. The likelihood is that he wouldn't have accepted, nor would SMU have decided to invest heavily in hoops, if SMU was still in the old CUSA.

Isn't SMU still in CUSA? Could have fooled me.

Ha! Ok, I mean, if SMU hadn't been preparing for its move to the Big East as it was a year ago...
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(08-26-2013 09:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 08:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 07:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Redman you have so much butthurt for the AAC it's not funny. A conference with 4 elite programs that should make the tourney most years is definitely not nowhere near major status. It's a top 7 conference. And, that's without a program like a SMU emerging. You can whine all you want about how bad they are, but that's just not reality. The exposure they will be getting as well is light years better than what they had before. That will allow for even better recruiting. You can act all you want, but the AAC is going to be a factor.

C'mon stever, just because you love the AAC and wish you were still back there doesn't mean it's an elite conference. Cincy is an elite program? Memphis who hasn't played a top 100 team during the regular season in 4 years is elite? I like Temple but they are not elite. Elite is UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas, UConn, Michigan State, Georgetown, UCLA and the like. UConn is the only one who fits that description.

Beating up on the chumps in that league and making the tourny is not some sort of accomplishment.

You can act like you're a Big East fan but we all know you fly the AAC flag. You don't fool me for one single second.

A conference is more than just a few teams at the top.

Conferences better than the AAC in Basketball.

ACC
B1G
Big East
Big XII
SEC
MWC
Pac 12

I have to question the last three. The AAC is going to be a factor in basketball--or more exactly, UConn, Memphis, Temple and Cincy will continue to be factors. The AAC will regularly put 3-4 teams in the tournament, with one or two doing damage in any given year.

I think that puts them on a level with the SEC, and at least on a level with the PAC-12 and the currently-overrated MWC.

Somewhere along the line Stever20 invested in the idea that the UCFs and SMUs and Houstons of the world were just about to become athletic powers.

The lack of depth really hurts them.

Tulane, USF, SMU, Houston, ECU, UCF...
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We'll see about the AAC. They are in a lot of years going to be in that 5-7 range. And, that's if the recruiting with the exposure doesn't pick up, which is doubtable.

As far as folks that say their lack of depth hurts them- I don't think folks look at the 8th place team and because they suck, they look at them as a bad conference. What matters to folks is how they are at the top, and the AAC has that covered.
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(08-27-2013 12:57 AM)billyjack Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 11:23 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 11:16 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Larry Brown took the SMU job when they were headed to the Big East. The likelihood is that he wouldn't have accepted, nor would SMU have decided to invest heavily in hoops, if SMU was still in the old CUSA.

Isn't SMU still in CUSA? Could have fooled me.

Ha! Ok, I mean, if SMU hadn't been preparing for its move to the Big East as it was a year ago...

You made a great point. I was just teasing you. 04-cheers
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(08-27-2013 07:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  We'll see about the AAC. They are in a lot of years going to be in that 5-7 range. And, that's if the recruiting with the exposure doesn't pick up, which is doubtable.

As far as folks that say their lack of depth hurts them- I don't think folks look at the 8th place team and because they suck, they look at them as a bad conference. What matters to folks is how they are at the top, and the AAC has that covered.

The AAC has the top covered with UConn and Memphis - assuming that Ollie can follow in the footsteps of their predecessors. Both are off to a good start.

I'm really not sure what we have with Cincy and Temple. They still haven't quite established themselves. I have more faith in Cincy because Cronin has them headed in the right direction and because he had them competitive in a very tough Big East. With the easier schedule, they will probably soar. Still have to do it, but I'm buying them.

Temple OTOH lost major pieces from last year and hasn't brought in any big time recruits, so I don't expect much from this year. They could succeed with those 3* recruits in the A10 but the lack of talent showed in the tournament as they flamed out every year. Fran Dunphy has proven that he can coach, but he is not a proven that he can recruit. Temple is going to have to upgrade it's recruiting if they're going to prove that they're anything more than a paper tiger who beats up on mid majors but falls flat against major national competition.

This could easily be a 2 bid conference with 3 in a good year. Lack of depth hurts because no one else gets to the tournament except for your top teams and even they take a year off occasionally. And when someone else makes the occasional run to the tournament, they're one and done. People do notice that kind of stuff.

The ACC may be only a 2 team conference, but they have enough depth that a different somebody always seems to rise up and make a major impact whether it's been Maryland in the past, or Georgia Tech, or Virginia, or NC State, or Wake, or Clemson. Miami looked like last year like they'll be the latest program in that conference to step up. Obviously the additions of Syracuse, Louisville, etc. mean that they'll be even deeper in the future.

Same is true for the SEC. While Kentucky and Florida are the ones who sustain success year in and year out, there always seems to be an LSU or a Mississippi State who also makes a deep run into the tournament occasionally. Not to mention Vandy, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, and newcomers Missouri and TAM. Other than the hopeful signs at SMU, that's the kind of depth that the AAC is lacking.

Depth is precisely why the Big East is so much better a conference than the AAC. Every one of those teams has had major success in the modern era, so it will be no surprise if they do it again. They all have fans with memories of past triumphs who will turn out to celebrate new ones.
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RE: Big East vs AAC Attendance
(08-27-2013 02:50 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 09:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 08:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 07:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Redman you have so much butthurt for the AAC it's not funny. A conference with 4 elite programs that should make the tourney most years is definitely not nowhere near major status. It's a top 7 conference. And, that's without a program like a SMU emerging. You can whine all you want about how bad they are, but that's just not reality. The exposure they will be getting as well is light years better than what they had before. That will allow for even better recruiting. You can act all you want, but the AAC is going to be a factor.

C'mon stever, just because you love the AAC and wish you were still back there doesn't mean it's an elite conference. Cincy is an elite program? Memphis who hasn't played a top 100 team during the regular season in 4 years is elite? I like Temple but they are not elite. Elite is UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas, UConn, Michigan State, Georgetown, UCLA and the like. UConn is the only one who fits that description.

Beating up on the chumps in that league and making the tourny is not some sort of accomplishment.

You can act like you're a Big East fan but we all know you fly the AAC flag. You don't fool me for one single second.

A conference is more than just a few teams at the top.

Conferences better than the AAC in Basketball.

ACC
B1G
Big East
Big XII
SEC
MWC
Pac 12

I have to question the last three. The AAC is going to be a factor in basketball--or more exactly, UConn, Memphis, Temple and Cincy will continue to be factors. The AAC will regularly put 3-4 teams in the tournament, with one or two doing damage in any given year.

I think that puts them on a level with the SEC, and at least on a level with the PAC-12 and the currently-overrated MWC.

Somewhere along the line Stever20 invested in the idea that the UCFs and SMUs and Houstons of the world were just about to become athletic powers.

The lack of depth really hurts them.

Tulane, USF, SMU, Houston, ECU, UCF...

I'll give you the SEC but the American should hold its own against the MWC and P12. The MWC went belly up in the last tourney.

If an SMU becomes a tourney team you'd have 5 of the 11 teams with legit chances to get there most years. The Big East might be more like 5 or 6 out of 10 most years.
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RE: Big East vs AAC Attendance
(08-27-2013 09:23 AM)mascotswinchampionships Wrote:  
(08-27-2013 02:50 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 09:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 08:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 07:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Redman you have so much butthurt for the AAC it's not funny. A conference with 4 elite programs that should make the tourney most years is definitely not nowhere near major status. It's a top 7 conference. And, that's without a program like a SMU emerging. You can whine all you want about how bad they are, but that's just not reality. The exposure they will be getting as well is light years better than what they had before. That will allow for even better recruiting. You can act all you want, but the AAC is going to be a factor.

C'mon stever, just because you love the AAC and wish you were still back there doesn't mean it's an elite conference. Cincy is an elite program? Memphis who hasn't played a top 100 team during the regular season in 4 years is elite? I like Temple but they are not elite. Elite is UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas, UConn, Michigan State, Georgetown, UCLA and the like. UConn is the only one who fits that description.

Beating up on the chumps in that league and making the tourny is not some sort of accomplishment.

You can act like you're a Big East fan but we all know you fly the AAC flag. You don't fool me for one single second.

A conference is more than just a few teams at the top.

Conferences better than the AAC in Basketball.

ACC
B1G
Big East
Big XII
SEC
MWC
Pac 12

I have to question the last three. The AAC is going to be a factor in basketball--or more exactly, UConn, Memphis, Temple and Cincy will continue to be factors. The AAC will regularly put 3-4 teams in the tournament, with one or two doing damage in any given year.

I think that puts them on a level with the SEC, and at least on a level with the PAC-12 and the currently-overrated MWC.

Somewhere along the line Stever20 invested in the idea that the UCFs and SMUs and Houstons of the world were just about to become athletic powers.

The lack of depth really hurts them.

Tulane, USF, SMU, Houston, ECU, UCF...

I'll give you the SEC but the American should hold its own against the MWC and P12. The MWC went belly up in the last tourney.

If an SMU becomes a tourney team you'd have 5 of the 11 teams with legit chances to get there most years. The Big East might be more like 5 or 6 out of 10 most years.

But for how long? That program would go right back down once Larry Brown leaves. Especially because that will coincide with Texas getting a brand-spanking new coach to dominate recruiting again.
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RE: Big East vs AAC Attendance
(08-27-2013 09:23 AM)mascotswinchampionships Wrote:  
(08-27-2013 02:50 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 09:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 08:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 07:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Redman you have so much butthurt for the AAC it's not funny. A conference with 4 elite programs that should make the tourney most years is definitely not nowhere near major status. It's a top 7 conference. And, that's without a program like a SMU emerging. You can whine all you want about how bad they are, but that's just not reality. The exposure they will be getting as well is light years better than what they had before. That will allow for even better recruiting. You can act all you want, but the AAC is going to be a factor.

C'mon stever, just because you love the AAC and wish you were still back there doesn't mean it's an elite conference. Cincy is an elite program? Memphis who hasn't played a top 100 team during the regular season in 4 years is elite? I like Temple but they are not elite. Elite is UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas, UConn, Michigan State, Georgetown, UCLA and the like. UConn is the only one who fits that description.

Beating up on the chumps in that league and making the tourny is not some sort of accomplishment.

You can act like you're a Big East fan but we all know you fly the AAC flag. You don't fool me for one single second.

A conference is more than just a few teams at the top.

Conferences better than the AAC in Basketball.

ACC
B1G
Big East
Big XII
SEC
MWC
Pac 12

I have to question the last three. The AAC is going to be a factor in basketball--or more exactly, UConn, Memphis, Temple and Cincy will continue to be factors. The AAC will regularly put 3-4 teams in the tournament, with one or two doing damage in any given year.

I think that puts them on a level with the SEC, and at least on a level with the PAC-12 and the currently-overrated MWC.

Somewhere along the line Stever20 invested in the idea that the UCFs and SMUs and Houstons of the world were just about to become athletic powers.

The lack of depth really hurts them.

Tulane, USF, SMU, Houston, ECU, UCF...

I'll give you the SEC but the American should hold its own against the MWC and P12. The MWC went belly up in the last tourney.

If an SMU becomes a tourney team you'd have 5 of the 11 teams with legit chances to get there most years. The Big East might be more like 5 or 6 out of 10 most years.

Having a legit chance and actually getting there are 2 different things. Let's just look at the past 10 years as a representative sample:

Memphis - 8
UConn - 7
Temple - 6
Cincy - 5

So even with the big 4, the 10 year average is 2.6, which is 2-3 per year, not 4. Throw in the rest of the conference and here's what you get:

UCF - 2
USF - 1
Houston - 1

None of the other future members has obtained a single bid in the past decade. So, at best you're looking at a group of teams who have averaged 3 bids per year over the past 10 years. I say "at best" because some of those bids were obtained solely by obtaining the automatic bid from an inferior league. In the current configuration, those same teams would not get those automatic bids in this conference.

Now SMU is upgrading. Does that make this a 4-bid conference? Sometimes. Even an upgraded SMU isn't going to make it every year. And do all of the others stay as strong in the face of a more competitive SMU? Probably not. Some of those SMU bids are ones that they've snatched from the grasp of other conference foes. What we're looking at with an upgraded SMU is a 3-4 bid league.

But what we're doing is assuming continuing success for previously successful programs and projecting future success for a previously failed program. It doesn't usually work that way. All programs go through ups and downs. This will be a 3-4 bid league if everything breaks right. It may not.

The big problem for AAC basketball is that it is trying to succeed in a football-centric conference. SMU simply adds a 5th school to the programs that are actually trying to succeed in hoops, leaving more than half the conference that does not care about the sport.
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(08-27-2013 10:46 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(08-27-2013 09:23 AM)mascotswinchampionships Wrote:  
(08-27-2013 02:50 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 09:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 08:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  C'mon stever, just because you love the AAC and wish you were still back there doesn't mean it's an elite conference. Cincy is an elite program? Memphis who hasn't played a top 100 team during the regular season in 4 years is elite? I like Temple but they are not elite. Elite is UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas, UConn, Michigan State, Georgetown, UCLA and the like. UConn is the only one who fits that description.

Beating up on the chumps in that league and making the tourny is not some sort of accomplishment.

You can act like you're a Big East fan but we all know you fly the AAC flag. You don't fool me for one single second.

A conference is more than just a few teams at the top.

Conferences better than the AAC in Basketball.

ACC
B1G
Big East
Big XII
SEC
MWC
Pac 12

I have to question the last three. The AAC is going to be a factor in basketball--or more exactly, UConn, Memphis, Temple and Cincy will continue to be factors. The AAC will regularly put 3-4 teams in the tournament, with one or two doing damage in any given year.

I think that puts them on a level with the SEC, and at least on a level with the PAC-12 and the currently-overrated MWC.

Somewhere along the line Stever20 invested in the idea that the UCFs and SMUs and Houstons of the world were just about to become athletic powers.

The lack of depth really hurts them.

Tulane, USF, SMU, Houston, ECU, UCF...

I'll give you the SEC but the American should hold its own against the MWC and P12. The MWC went belly up in the last tourney.

If an SMU becomes a tourney team you'd have 5 of the 11 teams with legit chances to get there most years. The Big East might be more like 5 or 6 out of 10 most years.

Having a legit chance and actually getting there are 2 different things. Let's just look at the past 10 years as a representative sample:

Memphis - 8
UConn - 7
Temple - 6
Cincy - 5

So even with the big 4, the 10 year average is 2.6, which is 2-3 per year, not 4. Throw in the rest of the conference and here's what you get:

UCF - 2
USF - 1
Houston - 1

None of the other future members has obtained a single bid in the past decade. So, at best you're looking at a group of teams who have averaged 3 bids per year over the past 10 years. I say "at best" because some of those bids were obtained solely by obtaining the automatic bid from an inferior league. In the current configuration, those same teams would not get those automatic bids in this conference.

Now SMU is upgrading. Does that make this a 4-bid conference? Sometimes. Even an upgraded SMU isn't going to make it every year. And do all of the others stay as strong in the face of a more competitive SMU? Probably not. Some of those SMU bids are ones that they've snatched from the grasp of other conference foes. What we're looking at with an upgraded SMU is a 3-4 bid league.

But what we're doing is assuming continuing success for previously successful programs and projecting future success for a previously failed program. It doesn't usually work that way. All programs go through ups and downs. This will be a 3-4 bid league if everything breaks right. It may not.

The big problem for AAC basketball is that it is trying to succeed in a football-centric conference. SMU simply adds a 5th school to the programs that are actually trying to succeed in hoops, leaving more than half the conference that does not care about the sport.

What you also have to look at is if UConns recruiting will start to take a hit after a few years of being in what is clearly a lesser league than they are used to. That along with the departure of Calhoun could very well see the slow decline of that program.

You also have a Memphis team who hasn't played a top 100 team in the regular season in four years. How do they adapt to a conference with some actual contenders in it?

Cincy had only finished in the top half of the Big East twice during their tenure in that league. Saying they can help carry the conference banner isn't saying much.
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(08-27-2013 10:46 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(08-27-2013 09:23 AM)mascotswinchampionships Wrote:  
(08-27-2013 02:50 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 09:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(08-26-2013 08:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  C'mon stever, just because you love the AAC and wish you were still back there doesn't mean it's an elite conference. Cincy is an elite program? Memphis who hasn't played a top 100 team during the regular season in 4 years is elite? I like Temple but they are not elite. Elite is UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas, UConn, Michigan State, Georgetown, UCLA and the like. UConn is the only one who fits that description.

Beating up on the chumps in that league and making the tourny is not some sort of accomplishment.

You can act like you're a Big East fan but we all know you fly the AAC flag. You don't fool me for one single second.

A conference is more than just a few teams at the top.

Conferences better than the AAC in Basketball.

ACC
B1G
Big East
Big XII
SEC
MWC
Pac 12

I have to question the last three. The AAC is going to be a factor in basketball--or more exactly, UConn, Memphis, Temple and Cincy will continue to be factors. The AAC will regularly put 3-4 teams in the tournament, with one or two doing damage in any given year.

I think that puts them on a level with the SEC, and at least on a level with the PAC-12 and the currently-overrated MWC.

Somewhere along the line Stever20 invested in the idea that the UCFs and SMUs and Houstons of the world were just about to become athletic powers.

The lack of depth really hurts them.

Tulane, USF, SMU, Houston, ECU, UCF...

I'll give you the SEC but the American should hold its own against the MWC and P12. The MWC went belly up in the last tourney.

If an SMU becomes a tourney team you'd have 5 of the 11 teams with legit chances to get there most years. The Big East might be more like 5 or 6 out of 10 most years.

Having a legit chance and actually getting there are 2 different things. Let's just look at the past 10 years as a representative sample:

Memphis - 8
UConn - 7
Temple - 6
Cincy - 5

So even with the big 4, the 10 year average is 2.6, which is 2-3 per year, not 4. Throw in the rest of the conference and here's what you get:

UCF - 2
USF - 1
Houston - 1

None of the other future members has obtained a single bid in the past decade. So, at best you're looking at a group of teams who have averaged 3 bids per year over the past 10 years. I say "at best" because some of those bids were obtained solely by obtaining the automatic bid from an inferior league. In the current configuration, those same teams would not get those automatic bids in this conference.

Now SMU is upgrading. Does that make this a 4-bid conference? Sometimes. Even an upgraded SMU isn't going to make it every year. And do all of the others stay as strong in the face of a more competitive SMU? Probably not. Some of those SMU bids are ones that they've snatched from the grasp of other conference foes. What we're looking at with an upgraded SMU is a 3-4 bid league.

But what we're doing is assuming continuing success for previously successful programs and projecting future success for a previously failed program. It doesn't usually work that way. All programs go through ups and downs. This will be a 3-4 bid league if everything breaks right. It may not.

The big problem for AAC basketball is that it is trying to succeed in a football-centric conference. SMU simply adds a 5th school to the programs that are actually trying to succeed in hoops, leaving more than half the conference that does not care about the sport.

Nice post.

How does this compare to the Big East teams. I would assume we are about 1&half to two bids better during this same period.
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I'm coming up with Big East with 46 bids last 10 years, AAC 30. AAC realistically 31 due to UConn last year, they would have been in the tourney. I have 3 AAC spots being autobids(Houston, UCF). I have 1 for the Big East group(Xavier in 2006).

If you look at the last 5 years which is probably more realistic to how we are today, it's actually better for both conferences.
Big East 24 bids, AAC with 17 bids. That's 4.8-3.4. The big 4 if you will for the AAC with 15 bids in those 5 years(and 16 if you include UConn last year). I think the question about earning bids in easier conferences actually applies more to us than the AAC. Butler was in a far easier conference(Horizon) than C-USA.

We've had 1 more team make the tourney last 5 years than the AAC(7-6 teams).
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(08-27-2013 01:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm coming up with Big East with 46 bids last 10 years, AAC 30. AAC realistically 31 due to UConn last year, they would have been in the tourney. I have 3 AAC spots being autobids(Houston, UCF). I have 1 for the Big East group(Xavier in 2006).

If you look at the last 5 years which is probably more realistic to how we are today, it's actually better for both conferences.
Big East 24 bids, AAC with 17 bids. That's 4.8-3.4. The big 4 if you will for the AAC with 15 bids in those 5 years(and 16 if you include UConn last year). I think the question about earning bids in easier conferences actually applies more to us than the AAC. Butler was in a far easier conference(Horizon) than C-USA.

We've had 1 more team make the tourney last 5 years than the AAC(7-6 teams).

Memphis who was king of CUSA once the others left for the Big East didn't play a top 100 team in four years of regular season play. They won 31 games last year and only got a 6 seed. Thats not really much tougher than the Horizon league.
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RE: Big East vs AAC Attendance
actually it is.
2011-12 for instance CUSA was #9 Horizon was #14.
Heck, CUSA got a 2nd team in the NCAA tourney that year at large. Horizon was pretty much garbage. In the 4 years of the comparison- CUSA got a 2nd team in the NCAA tourney 3 times. Horizon only 1 time.

Oh and your "factoid" is garbage. Just look at the 2011-12 season, Memphis played UCF(#54), Marshall(#44), So Miss(#21)- with UCF and Marshall 2x, and So Miss 1 time, and then UCF and Marshall in the conference tourney. So that would be 7 games against top 55 teams in conference play.
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(08-27-2013 01:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually it is.
2011-12 for instance CUSA was #9 Horizon was #14.
Heck, CUSA got a 2nd team in the NCAA tourney that year at large. Horizon was pretty much garbage. In the 4 years of the comparison- CUSA got a 2nd team in the NCAA tourney 3 times. Horizon only 1 time.

Oh and your "factoid" is garbage. Just look at the 2011-12 season, Memphis played UCF(#54), Marshall(#44), So Miss(#21)- with UCF and Marshall 2x, and So Miss 1 time, and then UCF and Marshall in the conference tourney. So that would be 7 games against top 55 teams in conference play.

So they didn't play a top 100 team last year? So that means SMU, Houston, UCF and all the others the AAC is adding from CUSA outside of Memphis wasn't even in the top 100 last season?
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So Miss and UTEP were in the top 100 last year.

Your statement that they haven't played a team in the top 100 in the last 4 years regular season is just pure crap. You know it but just don't want to admit it.
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(08-27-2013 02:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  So Miss and UTEP were in the top 100 last year.

Your statement that they haven't played a team in the top 100 in the last 4 years regular season is just pure crap. You know it but just don't want to admit it.

I heard it on tv in the lead up to the NCAA. If it's crap then blame either CBS or ESPN. One of them made the statement.
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(08-27-2013 02:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  So Miss and UTEP were in the top 100 last year.

Your statement that they haven't played a team in the top 100 in the last 4 years regular season is just pure crap. You know it but just don't want to admit it.

Also where was the elite SMU?
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bottom line, your stament no matter how you heard it is not right.

Bottom line, a conference with on average last 5 years 3.6 bids realistically is not a bad conference. And, if SMU can come thru and go fairly often, that's even bigger. Same with Houston(who just got a really good guard). It seems like the recruits are seeing the incoming AAC schools as being big time now.
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(08-27-2013 01:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm coming up with Big East with 46 bids last 10 years, AAC 30. AAC realistically 31 due to UConn last year, they would have been in the tourney. I have 3 AAC spots being autobids(Houston, UCF). I have 1 for the Big East group(Xavier in 2006).

If you look at the last 5 years which is probably more realistic to how we are today, it's actually better for both conferences.
Big East 24 bids, AAC with 17 bids. That's 4.8-3.4. The big 4 if you will for the AAC with 15 bids in those 5 years(and 16 if you include UConn last year). I think the question about earning bids in easier conferences actually applies more to us than the AAC. Butler was in a far easier conference(Horizon) than C-USA.

We've had 1 more team make the tourney last 5 years than the AAC(7-6 teams).

1. You can't count an extra bid for the AAC based on UConn because realistically if UConn had gone, then Cincy probably would not. They were horrible down the stretch where the committee normally places a lot of emphasis.

2. Butler may have been in a far easier conference, but they validated their selections with their play in the tournament. I was thinking more of a team like UCF which got bids in 2004-05 out of the Atlantic Sun. There was also Houston which won the auto CUSA bid in 2010 in a season when Memphis had a down year & didn't make the NCAA's. Houston finished 7-9
in CUSA that year, tied for 7th, pulled a 1-point upset of Memphis in the tournament and had a cake walk the rest of the way in a weak CUSA. No way that same Houston team runs through the tournament in a stronger conference. Both UCF and Houston were out of the NCAA's in the first round those 3 years.
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