Whatever. I think the AAC and CUSA will wind up just about equal in football in a couple years. Unfortunately, I'm a basketball first guy, and not only will my normally awesome Monarchs stink for at least two seasons, but the AAC has it all over CUSA in hoops. No question about it. Even after UConn and Cincy leave it may be closer, but AAC will have it with Temple and Memphis.

(08-20-2013 10:24 PM)meangreener Wrote:  Whatever, ECU. Y'all did great against that team from Louisiana in your bowl game last year that UNT just happened to beat.

We won more bowl games than UNT has been to (8-10 ECU, 1-5 UNT), 1 Consensus All-American to 20 for ECU. ECU ranked in 3 final polls in it's history 1 being a top 10 (9th) to UNT ???????? Yeah, sit down.

(08-20-2013 10:17 PM)gcp_mineros Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 09:47 PM)meangreener Wrote:  ...and this is why the defectors are stupid. Especially the late defectors.

ESPN is subleasing games, travel is high, lackluster bowl lineup and a lack of name recognition.

Sure, the AAC will have better competition than CUSA for the moment...but CUSA is regional with better bowls, name recognition and less travel money.

ESPN is doing nothing to help the AAC schools other than hanging them out to dry...while CUSA still gets a lot of publicity on local FSN channels and Fox Sports 1 (surprisingly, a decent amount.)

If y'all had a brain, you'd come back to CUSA, even with all the FCS and the teams y'all think you are better then. The AAC is going to fail. The bowl lineups and ESPN subleasing games to CBS shows that the perception of the AAC is dreadful.

Frankly, I don't even see how AAC fans can still validate their move, unless they somehow think stronger competition is going to help them get access to bowls they have no deals with.

Of course, this will be invalidated if more bowls are announced for the AAC. This is unlikely.

1. Without realignment UNT and company are not invited to CUSA

2. The title of this thread is ridiculous as competition is the most important quality of a conference as the other components will follow by winning

3. You speak to posters of AAC as though they have anything to do with whether their schools stay or go

4. Today's bowl announcements are a high point for CUSA. It is childish to post these bait threads

I will miss playing many of the schools that left. They earned my respect by winning on the field/court. Don't act like CUSA bowl affiliations have anything to do with a school's wins vs loses. Most of them would beat UNT on any given day. Maybe your post was intended to be funny. If so, sorry I didn't get it.

What is everyone trying to prove here? Without re-alignment some schools would still be in a SWC-turned-Big 12; and some would have never gotten in what has become Big East 2.0 or, the AAC.

This: We're all on a Caribbean cruise ship and G5 schools are basically all on the same deck with chairs being moved here and then being moved over there with some not liking their spots, but knowing that they can get better placement. They just have to do all the necessary things to get that better placement but fact still remains...we're all in G5 deck chairs operating on the same deck of this cruise ship. Best news is that none of us are in steerage, that part of the ship belongs to the NCAA FCS group of schools.

CUSA did well with bowls today. But all they did was announce them first. First doesn't equal better. CUSA has ONE bowl v p5 (shared HOD/AFB). AAC will likely have between 3-5...Military, BBVA, Beef, HOD/AFB, and Miami (according to TB Times)

(08-20-2013 10:56 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  CUSA did well with bowls today. But all they did was announce them first. First doesn't equal better. CUSA has ONE bowl v p5 (shared HOD/AFB). AAC will likely have between 3-5...Military, BBVA, Beef, HOD/AFB, and Miami (according to TB Times)

But only one game west of Birmingham. That can't make Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Memphis and Tulane fans happy.

(08-20-2013 10:56 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  CUSA did well with bowls today. But all they did was announce them first. First doesn't equal better. CUSA has ONE bowl v p5 (shared HOD/AFB). AAC will likely have between 3-5...Military, BBVA, Beef, HOD/AFB, and Miami (according to TB Times)

The bold portion is so overrated it is ridiculous. That said, the Miami bowl is not certain and the HOD/AFB isn't a done deal. CUSA has the backup with the former Indy Bowl which is pretty much a foregone conclusion is not going to be filled by either the ACC or SEC (more than likely SEC). So in essence, that is 3 AAC, 2 CUSA.

The bigger picture, it means nothing if all you can brag about is beating a bottom level P5 program.

(08-20-2013 11:09 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 10:56 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  CUSA did well with bowls today. But all they did was announce them first. First doesn't equal better. CUSA has ONE bowl v p5 (shared HOD/AFB). AAC will likely have between 3-5...Military, BBVA, Beef, HOD/AFB, and Miami (according to TB Times)

But only one game west of Birmingham. That can't make Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Memphis and Tulane fans happy.

True unfortunately.

(08-20-2013 11:12 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 10:56 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  CUSA did well with bowls today. But all they did was announce them first. First doesn't equal better. CUSA has ONE bowl v p5 (shared HOD/AFB). AAC will likely have between 3-5...Military, BBVA, Beef, HOD/AFB, and Miami (according to TB Times)

The bold portion is so overrated it is ridiculous. That said, the Miami bowl is not certain and the HOD/AFB isn't a done deal. CUSA has the backup with the former Indy Bowl which is pretty much a foregone conclusion is not going to be filled by either the ACC or SEC (more than likely SEC). So in essence, that is 3 AAC, 2 CUSA.

The bigger picture, it means nothing if all you can brag about is beating a bottom level P5 program.

Was the Indy bowl officially announced today?

(08-20-2013 10:51 PM)MeanGreenGem Wrote:  What is everyone trying to prove here? Without re-alignment some schools would still be in a SWC-turned-Big 12; and some would have never gotten in what has become Big East 2.0 or, the AAC.

This: We're all on a Caribbean cruise ship and G5 schools are basically all on the same deck with chairs being moved here and then being moved over there with some not liking their spots, but knowing that they can get better placement. They just have to do all the necessary things to get that better placement but fact still remains...we're all in G5 deck chairs operating on the same deck of this cruise ship. Best news is that none of us are in steerage, that part of the ship belongs to the NCAA FCS group of schools.

Not trying to make this a pissing contest. I understand UTEP's place and history. My post was not directed at UNT as I'm excited to startup a conference rivalry. My comments were to share perspective as the OP was high horsing.

(08-20-2013 09:47 PM)meangreener Wrote:  ...and this is why the defectors are stupid. Especially the late defectors.

ESPN is subleasing games, travel is high, lackluster bowl lineup and a lack of name recognition.

Sure, the AAC will have better competition than CUSA for the moment...but CUSA is regional with better bowls, name recognition and less travel money.

ESPN is doing nothing to help the AAC schools other than hanging them out to dry...while CUSA still gets a lot of publicity on local FSN channels and Fox Sports 1 (surprisingly, a decent amount.)

If y'all had a brain, you'd come back to CUSA, even with all the FCS and the teams y'all think you are better then. The AAC is going to fail. The bowl lineups and ESPN subleasing games to CBS shows that the perception of the AAC is dreadful.

Frankly, I don't even see how AAC fans can still validate their move, unless they somehow think stronger competition is going to help them get access to bowls they have no deals with.

Of course, this will be invalidated if more bowls are announced for the AAC. This is unlikely.

Tulsa leaving really didn't have much to do with bowls or standing that much. Mostly it had to do with rivalry's. A good portion of those that left this season, we had a rivalry's with. Those that were left not so much.

(08-20-2013 09:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  FIU, USM, and UTSA have the biggest chances to make some notable splashes overall.

We bring 5-6k fans because we're terrible. If we made the NOLA bowl it would be ~30k.

(08-21-2013 12:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 09:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  FIU, USM, and UTSA have the biggest chances to make some notable splashes overall.

Pi, i'm referring to the current OOC schedules as a whole. Everyone in C-USA has at least one good OOC game, but those three have, what I think are. the toughest OOC schedules

MTSU:
08/29 – Western Carolina
09/07 – at North Carolina
09/14 – Memphis
09/27 – at BYU

Honestly, if you guys don't got at least 3-1, it'd be a disappointment to me.

(08-20-2013 09:49 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  So, instead of being on ESPN3 they get more games on tv (CBSSN). That's not a bad thing.
They will face ACC/SEC in 3 or 4 bowls. We'll get B1G/BXII in one.

AAC will be fine and so will C-USA.

Agree. I had to laugh at the CUSA is regional thing though. From WV to South Florida to El Paso.

(08-20-2013 09:49 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  So, instead of being on ESPN3 they get more games on tv (CBSSN). That's not a bad thing.

See i disagree here... As much as E*** pisses me off by their total disregard for the Go5, there was a chance a team could end up on E***Classic, E***News, E***2, or E*** if you were on the e*** network.

CBS-SN you get _one_ game during the day. (if you're lucky and run night games, you'll get a potential night game.)

Not to mention CBS-SN (IMO) was playing semantics.. when they said they'd show "X" league games... they tried to consider SMU-UTEP for instance as two league games.. an SMU game and a UTEP game. (I don't think that held up when the final contract finalized).

Quote:They will face ACC/SEC in 3 or 4 bowls. We'll get B1G/BXII in one.

Again this depends on how you look at the pecking order.. would it be nice to have more games against the P5. Yes.

Would you rather take on an SEC #8/9/10 or a possible AAC/CUSA/MAC/MWC #2? (this was one of the debates we had last season, if I remember rightly; it was an offshoot of some of the bowl shuffling.).

Of course, the other question is , wouldn't your rather be in bowls that are (Or should be) travelling distance for your schools. (again, that's my only issue with the New Mexico Bowl. The only school in traveling distance is UTEP.)

Quote:AAC will be fine and so will C-USA.

I don't think anyone's should be arguing that. It's the fact that by all appearances, Aresco is a "reactor" and not a "pro-active" guy, and at some point, I think the AAC schools need to demand better.

(08-20-2013 09:49 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  So, instead of being on ESPN3 they get more games on tv (CBSSN). That's not a bad thing.
They will face ACC/SEC in 3 or 4 bowls. We'll get B1G/BXII in one.

AAC will be fine and so will C-USA.

I absolutely believe that. +1 to you

(08-20-2013 09:47 PM)meangreener Wrote:  ...and this is why the defectors are stupid. Especially the late defectors.

ESPN is subleasing games, travel is high, lackluster bowl lineup and a lack of name recognition.

Sure, the AAC will have better competition than CUSA for the moment...but CUSA is regional with better bowls, name recognition and less travel money.

ESPN is doing nothing to help the AAC schools other than hanging them out to dry...while CUSA still gets a lot of publicity on local FSN channels and Fox Sports 1 (surprisingly, a decent amount.)

If y'all had a brain, you'd come back to CUSA, even with all the FCS and the teams y'all think you are better then. The AAC is going to fail. The bowl lineups and ESPN subleasing games to CBS shows that the perception of the AAC is dreadful.

Frankly, I don't even see how AAC fans can still validate their move, unless they somehow think stronger competition is going to help them get access to bowls they have no deals with.

Of course, this will be invalidated if more bowls are announced for the AAC. This is unlikely.

NEVER EVER EVER EVER going to play in the same conference as UNT, even if that means less money worse bowls etc.

(08-21-2013 01:04 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  We bring 5-6k fans because we're terrible. If we made the NOLA bowl it would be ~30k.

IF

(08-21-2013 01:04 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  We bring 5-6k fans because we're terrible. If we made the NOLA bowl it would be ~30k.

(08-21-2013 05:40 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 12:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 09:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  FIU, USM, and UTSA have the biggest chances to make some notable splashes overall.

Pi, i'm referring to the current OOC schedules as a whole. Everyone in C-USA has at least one good OOC game, but those three have, what I think are. the toughest OOC schedules

MTSU:
08/29 – Western Carolina
09/07 – at North Carolina
09/14 – Memphis
09/27 – at BYU

Honestly, if you guys don't got at least 3-1, it'd be a disappointment to me.

I missed the fact that you were referring specifically to OOC this season.

As long as we beat WCU and Memphis, I'll be okay. I don't think we can expect a victory at BYU or at UNC, but those are far from unbeatable teams.