(08-20-2013 06:46 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:53 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  There's some truth to what you guys are saying but I remember reading the following line quite often in these boards "CUSA will lose most of their bowl games now since all the good teams left" it seems like you guys are changing the song now that CUSA has secure numerous bowls. I guess it really doesn't matter what bowl tie ins CUSA signs, I'm sure you guys will find something negative to say about them. I understand. I get it.

Getting a bowl game doesn't mean you will win it. I think our point is that we would rather have our bowl games close to home, so our fans can be rewarded for supporting the team all year. There is a chance that half of CUSA's bowl bids in a given year will be in New Mexico, Hawaii, and the Bahamas.

CUSA and SBC have two completely different strategies. All of this bickering back and forth really doesn't accomplish much.

Our former SBC members ought to know that the SBC with a similar strategy made a lot of inroads against the old CUSA with a similar strategy.

It's really going to be a matter of execution.

Again, I agree with you. However, having a large number of bowls guarantees a school with a winning record to attend one. The last thing any conference wants is to have a bowl eligible team sit at home. And of course there's also the marketing aspect of it which creates perception. I honestly don't see how having a large number of bowls can be a negative thing.

(08-20-2013 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:53 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  There's some truth to what you guys are saying but I remember reading the following line quite often in these boards "CUSA will lose most of their bowl games now since all the good teams left" it seems like you guys are changing the song now that CUSA has secure numerous bowls. I guess it really doesn't matter what bowl tie ins CUSA signs, I'm sure you guys will find something negative to say about them. I understand. I get it.

Getting a bowl game doesn't mean you will win it. I think our point is that we would rather have our bowl games close to home, so our fans can be rewarded for supporting the team all year. There is a chance that half of CUSA's bowl bids in a given year will be in New Mexico, Hawaii, and the Bahamas.

"Getting a bowl game doesn't mean you will win it" that could be said about every single bowl game out there.

(08-20-2013 06:59 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:46 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:53 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  There's some truth to what you guys are saying but I remember reading the following line quite often in these boards "CUSA will lose most of their bowl games now since all the good teams left" it seems like you guys are changing the song now that CUSA has secure numerous bowls. I guess it really doesn't matter what bowl tie ins CUSA signs, I'm sure you guys will find something negative to say about them. I understand. I get it.

Getting a bowl game doesn't mean you will win it. I think our point is that we would rather have our bowl games close to home, so our fans can be rewarded for supporting the team all year. There is a chance that half of CUSA's bowl bids in a given year will be in New Mexico, Hawaii, and the Bahamas.

CUSA and SBC have two completely different strategies. All of this bickering back and forth really doesn't accomplish much.

Our former SBC members ought to know that the SBC with a similar strategy made a lot of inroads against the old CUSA with a similar strategy.

It's really going to be a matter of execution.

Again, I agree with you. However, having a large number of bowls guarantees a school with a winning record to attend one. The last thing any conference wants is to have a bowl eligible team sit at home. And of course there's also the marketing aspect of it which creates perception. I honestly don't see how having a large number of bowls can be a negative thing.

I agree. This bowl thing is not a zero-sum game. It is not an impossibility for CUSA and SBC to both come out with a net positive.

(08-20-2013 06:59 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:46 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:53 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  There's some truth to what you guys are saying but I remember reading the following line quite often in these boards "CUSA will lose most of their bowl games now since all the good teams left" it seems like you guys are changing the song now that CUSA has secure numerous bowls. I guess it really doesn't matter what bowl tie ins CUSA signs, I'm sure you guys will find something negative to say about them. I understand. I get it.

Getting a bowl game doesn't mean you will win it. I think our point is that we would rather have our bowl games close to home, so our fans can be rewarded for supporting the team all year. There is a chance that half of CUSA's bowl bids in a given year will be in New Mexico, Hawaii, and the Bahamas.

CUSA and SBC have two completely different strategies. All of this bickering back and forth really doesn't accomplish much.

Our former SBC members ought to know that the SBC with a similar strategy made a lot of inroads against the old CUSA with a similar strategy.

It's really going to be a matter of execution.

Again, I agree with you. However, having a large number of bowls guarantees a school with a winning record to attend one. The last thing any conference wants is to have a bowl eligible team sit at home. And of course there's also the marketing aspect of it which creates perception. I honestly don't see how having a large number of bowls can be a negative thing.

If you don't fill your bowl spots it can. I could easily see a situation where CUSA struggles in nonconference 1 year and cant fill all 6 slots. Bowls expect you to provide a team for them.

(08-20-2013 07:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:59 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:46 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:53 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  There's some truth to what you guys are saying but I remember reading the following line quite often in these boards "CUSA will lose most of their bowl games now since all the good teams left" it seems like you guys are changing the song now that CUSA has secure numerous bowls. I guess it really doesn't matter what bowl tie ins CUSA signs, I'm sure you guys will find something negative to say about them. I understand. I get it.

Getting a bowl game doesn't mean you will win it. I think our point is that we would rather have our bowl games close to home, so our fans can be rewarded for supporting the team all year. There is a chance that half of CUSA's bowl bids in a given year will be in New Mexico, Hawaii, and the Bahamas.

CUSA and SBC have two completely different strategies. All of this bickering back and forth really doesn't accomplish much.

Our former SBC members ought to know that the SBC with a similar strategy made a lot of inroads against the old CUSA with a similar strategy.

It's really going to be a matter of execution.

Again, I agree with you. However, having a large number of bowls guarantees a school with a winning record to attend one. The last thing any conference wants is to have a bowl eligible team sit at home. And of course there's also the marketing aspect of it which creates perception. I honestly don't see how having a large number of bowls can be a negative thing.

If you don't fill your bowl spots it can. I could easily see a situation where CUSA struggles in nonconference 1 year and cant fill all 6 slots. Bowls expect you to provide a team for them.

Would the same apply to the SEC or ACC which has 10+ bowl tie ins? We all know that most years they will not be able to fill every spot. I believe that each conference desires to reward their bowl eligible teams. Also, the more you're on TV the better it is for the school and the conference.

(08-20-2013 07:08 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 07:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:59 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:46 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Getting a bowl game doesn't mean you will win it. I think our point is that we would rather have our bowl games close to home, so our fans can be rewarded for supporting the team all year. There is a chance that half of CUSA's bowl bids in a given year will be in New Mexico, Hawaii, and the Bahamas.

CUSA and SBC have two completely different strategies. All of this bickering back and forth really doesn't accomplish much.

Our former SBC members ought to know that the SBC with a similar strategy made a lot of inroads against the old CUSA with a similar strategy.

It's really going to be a matter of execution.

Again, I agree with you. However, having a large number of bowls guarantees a school with a winning record to attend one. The last thing any conference wants is to have a bowl eligible team sit at home. And of course there's also the marketing aspect of it which creates perception. I honestly don't see how having a large number of bowls can be a negative thing.

If you don't fill your bowl spots it can. I could easily see a situation where CUSA struggles in nonconference 1 year and cant fill all 6 slots. Bowls expect you to provide a team for them.

Would the same apply to the SEC or ACC which has 10+ bowl tie ins? We all know that most years they will not be able to fill every spot. I believe that each conference desires to reward their bowl eligible teams. Also, the more you're on TV the better it is for the school and the conference.

Yes, but the difference is that the bowl with the 10th best SEC team knows and plans that they might need a G5 school to fill in. If a G5 league doesn't fill their slots, it could leave a bowl in a bind.

(08-20-2013 07:11 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 07:08 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 07:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:59 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:46 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA and SBC have two completely different strategies. All of this bickering back and forth really doesn't accomplish much.

Our former SBC members ought to know that the SBC with a similar strategy made a lot of inroads against the old CUSA with a similar strategy.

It's really going to be a matter of execution.

Again, I agree with you. However, having a large number of bowls guarantees a school with a winning record to attend one. The last thing any conference wants is to have a bowl eligible team sit at home. And of course there's also the marketing aspect of it which creates perception. I honestly don't see how having a large number of bowls can be a negative thing.

If you don't fill your bowl spots it can. I could easily see a situation where CUSA struggles in nonconference 1 year and cant fill all 6 slots. Bowls expect you to provide a team for them.

Would the same apply to the SEC or ACC which has 10+ bowl tie ins? We all know that most years they will not be able to fill every spot. I believe that each conference desires to reward their bowl eligible teams. Also, the more you're on TV the better it is for the school and the conference.

Yes, but the difference is that the bowl with the 10th best SEC team knows and plans that they might need a G5 school to fill in. If a G5 league doesn't fill their slots, it could leave a bowl in a bind.

We'll end up with some weird outcomes from all this from time to time. But I see that as a good thing.

Bad as I hate to say it a bowl in the Bahamas sounds pretty cool. I would imagine the crews lines will try and provide some sort of incentive to make the trip. Tickets to the bowl packages with some celebration of the bowl on the ride over. Each ship carries in excess of 3000 people. Nassau can dock at least two at a time with ports up and down the Florida coast. Many will likely make it a two day crews while some will ferry over. Surely the Bohemians are interested in marketing the event which would likely provide quite a bit of additional exposure.

(08-20-2013 07:11 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 07:08 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 07:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:59 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 06:46 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA and SBC have two completely different strategies. All of this bickering back and forth really doesn't accomplish much.

Our former SBC members ought to know that the SBC with a similar strategy made a lot of inroads against the old CUSA with a similar strategy.

It's really going to be a matter of execution.

Again, I agree with you. However, having a large number of bowls guarantees a school with a winning record to attend one. The last thing any conference wants is to have a bowl eligible team sit at home. And of course there's also the marketing aspect of it which creates perception. I honestly don't see how having a large number of bowls can be a negative thing.

If you don't fill your bowl spots it can. I could easily see a situation where CUSA struggles in nonconference 1 year and cant fill all 6 slots. Bowls expect you to provide a team for them.

Would the same apply to the SEC or ACC which has 10+ bowl tie ins? We all know that most years they will not be able to fill every spot. I believe that each conference desires to reward their bowl eligible teams. Also, the more you're on TV the better it is for the school and the conference.

Yes, but the difference is that the bowl with the 10th best SEC team knows and plans that they might need a G5 school to fill in. If a G5 league doesn't fill their slots, it could leave a bowl in a bind.

Key thing to remember here, a lot of those bowls are owned by ESPN,they will move teams around to suit their best interest. Bowl with p5 tie in calls up a G5 school to fill in -> G5 bowl in a bind. Same problem. rolls down hill and the G5 bowls are at the bottom of the hill.

Are the Bahamas or Hawaii bowls the most fan friendly? Probably not. But I prefer to be watching my team on TV during bowl season than be bitching about 6-7 AQ teams playing while my team is sitting at home.

(08-20-2013 07:17 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Bad as I hate to say it a bowl in the Bahamas sounds pretty cool. I would imagine the crews lines will try and provide some sort of incentive to make the trip. Tickets to the bowl packages with some celebration of the bowl on the ride over. Each ship carries in excess of 3000 people. Nassau can dock at least two at a time with ports up and down the Florida coast. Many will likely make it a two day crews while some will ferry over. Surely the Bohemians are interested in marketing the event which would likely provide quite a bit of additional exposure.

Bad as I hate to say it? Crew lines? Did you mean cruise lines? I've never heard of a cruise line making a special trip or package to a bowl game. Dude are you under the influence? Did they legalize marijuana in Georgia?

(08-20-2013 07:28 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  Are the Bahamas or Hawaii bowls the most fan friendly? Probably not. But I prefer to be watching my team on TV during bowl season than be bitching about 6-7 AQ teams playing while my team is sitting at home.

Correct.

(08-20-2013 05:40 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  It's a made for TV game, like Hawai'i, and a destination trip for the players. Sucks for the fans but players/recruits will love the idea.

That's exactly what it is, and I guess that's what it's coming to.

I want a tie in to the Armed Forces or Heart of Dallas Bowl. Easy travel for Texas St fans and easy flight for others.

(08-20-2013 07:32 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 07:17 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Bad as I hate to say it a bowl in the Bahamas sounds pretty cool. I would imagine the crews lines will try and provide some sort of incentive to make the trip. Tickets to the bowl packages with some celebration of the bowl on the ride over. Each ship carries in excess of 3000 people. Nassau can dock at least two at a time with ports up and down the Florida coast. Many will likely make it a two day crews while some will ferry over. Surely the Bohemians are interested in marketing the event which would likely provide quite a bit of additional exposure.

Bad as I hate to say it? Crew lines? Did you mean cruise lines? I've never heard of a cruise line making a special trip or package to a bowl game. Dude are you under the influence? Did they legalize marijuana in Georgia?

Yes I meant "cruise" lines. Cruise lines will do just about anything, particularly these days, to increase the numbers. Themes are relatively common. Seems plausible given the ships will be delivering the spectators. Special trip? Seriously? The boats run 365 days a year. Unless you'd rather take a flight or swim.

It will be interesting to see how this bowl stuff works out after the playoff begins. Personally I'd rather have a bowl game that most of our fans can easily attend, than one in an exotic location few can attend.

Have to remember for 2014 that us (Ga. Southern) and App are not bowl-eligible so for 9 teams if we can get 4 bowl tie ins I would say that is a good deal.

(08-20-2013 08:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  I want a tie in to the Armed Forces or Heart of Dallas Bowl. Easy travel for Texas St fans and easy flight for others.

doubtful, that's probably going to rotate between CUSA/AAC vs. Big 12/Big 10

Hawaii and Bahamas bowls sound good once for me.

I'd rather have a bowl my schools doesn't lose $1M if we get an invitation though.

(08-20-2013 08:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Hawaii and Bahamas bowls sound good once for me.

I'd rather have a bowl my schools doesn't lose $1M if we get an invitation though.

Quote:“Nobody is losing money on bowl games. Now, some schools lose money on specific trips, but their costs are underwritten by their leagues.

“I think as long as ESPN continues to fund the postseason, there will be games. It’s programming.”

Also the number of bowl invites and bowl wins are useful for conference marketing.

With respect to impact of playoff on number of bowl games:

Quote:“I don’t see contraction as long as it stays at four,” a Texas bowl official said, “but the bigger you make it, the more focus will be on it and the less on the other games. Plus, the more playoff teams you have, the unhappier the fans of programs that don’t make it (become). Maybe they won’t travel to follow an 8-4 or 7-5 team.”

Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops concurred.

“The four-team playoff makes sense,” Stoops said, “but we’ve got to protect a bowl system that’s been very good for college football. The way it is now, a lot of people are rewarded at the end of the year, and I like that.”

http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/col...lay/nTZcp/

I get the fan distance issue with Hawaii but the Bahamas Bowl is ready made for FIU and FAU. If one of them is eligible, the conference moves teams around to ensure FIU or FAU go that Bowl. Both schools are in South Florida and a hop/skip/jump from Nassau. Kinda like the New Orleans Bowl arrangements to get UL there as much as possible.

As to Hawaii being distant, it's a recruiting tool.