Hotrod, fair enough, everyone has made bad decisions. I just don't understand the logic in some of the excuses in this thread.

On the other side, this is likely a second failed test. I doubt MM coddled and cut him much slack the day those test results came back. I would like to think (darn near expect) that a Jmu athlete could not make the same serious mistake more than once. But then again, the program was being led by a senior cpt qb who cont. to play after making a similar series of bad decisions. Then we had the two knuckleheads who got the girl shot at the snatch and run deal gone wrong.... it makes me fear the state of the program, as there are likely more who aren't getting caught, just smarter, and it creates a culture where the underclassmen follow their lead and perpetuates the problem.

I am def. biased on drug use, as I never ventured there; however, I know that if I was part of a team/organization and they told me that coffee use (hypothetical, insert any example) was strictly prohibited, then I wouldnt drink my morning cup anymore...and definitely would abstain if I was caught once and put on notice.

(08-28-2013 11:09 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 10:01 PM)5000DOLLARBILL Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 08:14 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No , they get tested once a year. He is a soph. How would this be his second chance. Where did y'all get that from. Lol

I agree that this could be a second/third chance (first time warning, 2nd game suspensions, third removal/indefinite suspension). Hotrod, i believe school can test more than once a year? The school has its own student athlete testing policy apart from the NCAA's PEDs and Jmu definitely tests include THC. Previously failed tests are certain to be followed up, or you would really, really be an idiot to ever fail a drug test if you knew that you would only be tested once a year, every august when football camp starts. Its possible he failed one last year (warning) and/or since he redshirted there were no games to suspend him. I dont think IF even started camp this year.

The athlete drug debate makes no sense to me, esp when people start making excuses about fully matured male brains.... we all learn right from wrong and how to follow rules at an early age. The brain study mostly says males under 25 dont see big picture type analytics yet.... how is this an excuse for not following the rules? If my three year old knows she can't push her 1 year old brother without getting popped or a timeout session, how the $#@+ can a college age kid not understand consequences of their actions? getting high + drug test = potential consequences.

I am not saying he is a bad kid. I knew kids that smoked up and they were / are not bad. A better adjective is idiotic for putting himself in this position, as i assume he wants to still play football and keep a scholarship. JT was an idiot as well, but not necessarilly a bad person for smoking. The reason i use the word idiot is bc they know they are subject to drug testing. A reg. student is not subject to a regular testing program, so it is less idiotic for them.

I commanded 18 year old Soldiers, or as some would say kids, and a couple made serious mistakes and failed drug tests. One was abusing pain killer/opiate and the other self admittedly made a one time peer pressure stupid party mistake and knew he was in trouble before he even pissed in the cup. In counseling these soldiers, both knew their decisions were dumb/idiotic and knew there was a chance they would get caught. Both lost their jobs.

I would never compare the military to athletics, in reality this is just a game. But we need not forget how some of us were when we were in college on our own. I won't call them bad kids unless I know them to be of that nature. Some young adults just make bad decisions on their own. We have to cut them some slack. This board can be quite harsh to a 19 yr old .

If someone fails 2 tests they were already given a 2nd chance. Being allowed to come back to the team after a 1 yr suspension is being cut some slack.

(08-29-2013 03:29 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 11:09 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 10:01 PM)5000DOLLARBILL Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 08:14 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No , they get tested once a year. He is a soph. How would this be his second chance. Where did y'all get that from. Lol

I agree that this could be a second/third chance (first time warning, 2nd game suspensions, third removal/indefinite suspension). Hotrod, i believe school can test more than once a year? The school has its own student athlete testing policy apart from the NCAA's PEDs and Jmu definitely tests include THC. Previously failed tests are certain to be followed up, or you would really, really be an idiot to ever fail a drug test if you knew that you would only be tested once a year, every august when football camp starts. Its possible he failed one last year (warning) and/or since he redshirted there were no games to suspend him. I dont think IF even started camp this year.

The athlete drug debate makes no sense to me, esp when people start making excuses about fully matured male brains.... we all learn right from wrong and how to follow rules at an early age. The brain study mostly says males under 25 dont see big picture type analytics yet.... how is this an excuse for not following the rules? If my three year old knows she can't push her 1 year old brother without getting popped or a timeout session, how the $#@+ can a college age kid not understand consequences of their actions? getting high + drug test = potential consequences.

I am not saying he is a bad kid. I knew kids that smoked up and they were / are not bad. A better adjective is idiotic for putting himself in this position, as i assume he wants to still play football and keep a scholarship. JT was an idiot as well, but not necessarilly a bad person for smoking. The reason i use the word idiot is bc they know they are subject to drug testing. A reg. student is not subject to a regular testing program, so it is less idiotic for them.

I commanded 18 year old Soldiers, or as some would say kids, and a couple made serious mistakes and failed drug tests. One was abusing pain killer/opiate and the other self admittedly made a one time peer pressure stupid party mistake and knew he was in trouble before he even pissed in the cup. In counseling these soldiers, both knew their decisions were dumb/idiotic and knew there was a chance they would get caught. Both lost their jobs.

I would never compare the military to athletics, in reality this is just a game. But we need not forget how some of us were when we were in college on our own. I won't call them bad kids unless I know them to be of that nature. Some young adults just make bad decisions on their own. We have to cut them some slack. This board can be quite harsh to a 19 yr old .

If someone fails 2 tests they were already given a 2nd chance. Being allowed to come back to the team after a 1 yr suspension is being cut some slack.

Totally agree, JMU does everything possible to work with their student athletes to get the problem corrected, but there comes a times when the coddling has to stop and real actions/consequences take effect. Also, NCAA testing (PEDs) and JMU testing (drug testing) are two different animals and it is within JMU's right to test their athletes as often as they see fit. And you can take it to the bank if someone fails a drug test once, they will be regularly tested for the remainder of their time at JMU.

Between JT and the incident over the Summer you can bet the JMU Administration has directed all the coaches to take a much more hard-line approach to future infractions.

(08-29-2013 03:29 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 11:09 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 10:01 PM)5000DOLLARBILL Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 08:14 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No , they get tested once a year. He is a soph. How would this be his second chance. Where did y'all get that from. Lol

I agree that this could be a second/third chance (first time warning, 2nd game suspensions, third removal/indefinite suspension). Hotrod, i believe school can test more than once a year? The school has its own student athlete testing policy apart from the NCAA's PEDs and Jmu definitely tests include THC. Previously failed tests are certain to be followed up, or you would really, really be an idiot to ever fail a drug test if you knew that you would only be tested once a year, every august when football camp starts. Its possible he failed one last year (warning) and/or since he redshirted there were no games to suspend him. I dont think IF even started camp this year.

The athlete drug debate makes no sense to me, esp when people start making excuses about fully matured male brains.... we all learn right from wrong and how to follow rules at an early age. The brain study mostly says males under 25 dont see big picture type analytics yet.... how is this an excuse for not following the rules? If my three year old knows she can't push her 1 year old brother without getting popped or a timeout session, how the $#@+ can a college age kid not understand consequences of their actions? getting high + drug test = potential consequences.

I am not saying he is a bad kid. I knew kids that smoked up and they were / are not bad. A better adjective is idiotic for putting himself in this position, as i assume he wants to still play football and keep a scholarship. JT was an idiot as well, but not necessarilly a bad person for smoking. The reason i use the word idiot is bc they know they are subject to drug testing. A reg. student is not subject to a regular testing program, so it is less idiotic for them.

I commanded 18 year old Soldiers, or as some would say kids, and a couple made serious mistakes and failed drug tests. One was abusing pain killer/opiate and the other self admittedly made a one time peer pressure stupid party mistake and knew he was in trouble before he even pissed in the cup. In counseling these soldiers, both knew their decisions were dumb/idiotic and knew there was a chance they would get caught. Both lost their jobs.

I would never compare the military to athletics, in reality this is just a game. But we need not forget how some of us were when we were in college on our own. I won't call them bad kids unless I know them to be of that nature. Some young adults just make bad decisions on their own. We have to cut them some slack. This board can be quite harsh to a 19 yr old .

If someone fails 2 tests they were already given a 2nd chance. Being allowed to come back to the team after a 1 yr suspension is being cut some slack.

I was talking more to the fans than coaches and admin. I am not trying to make excuse , I just know that athletes are going to continue to smoke marijunana no matter what the circumstances are. Now I like the way the are testing the athletes today, but there should be some type of mentoring happening because these are young adults. I have known of professors who smoked marijuana , but they were never tested , but we test our athlete two or three times a year.

I am not worried about the program, when you have 90 players and two or three get in trouble a year maybe , I can live with that percentage. Coaches can't be with the players 24 hours a day. Most of this falls on the parents to prepare their kids for the real world by themselves.

(08-29-2013 09:15 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(08-29-2013 03:29 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 11:09 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 10:01 PM)5000DOLLARBILL Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 08:14 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No , they get tested once a year. He is a soph. How would this be his second chance. Where did y'all get that from. Lol

I agree that this could be a second/third chance (first time warning, 2nd game suspensions, third removal/indefinite suspension). Hotrod, i believe school can test more than once a year? The school has its own student athlete testing policy apart from the NCAA's PEDs and Jmu definitely tests include THC. Previously failed tests are certain to be followed up, or you would really, really be an idiot to ever fail a drug test if you knew that you would only be tested once a year, every august when football camp starts. Its possible he failed one last year (warning) and/or since he redshirted there were no games to suspend him. I dont think IF even started camp this year.

The athlete drug debate makes no sense to me, esp when people start making excuses about fully matured male brains.... we all learn right from wrong and how to follow rules at an early age. The brain study mostly says males under 25 dont see big picture type analytics yet.... how is this an excuse for not following the rules? If my three year old knows she can't push her 1 year old brother without getting popped or a timeout session, how the $#@+ can a college age kid not understand consequences of their actions? getting high + drug test = potential consequences.

I am not saying he is a bad kid. I knew kids that smoked up and they were / are not bad. A better adjective is idiotic for putting himself in this position, as i assume he wants to still play football and keep a scholarship. JT was an idiot as well, but not necessarilly a bad person for smoking. The reason i use the word idiot is bc they know they are subject to drug testing. A reg. student is not subject to a regular testing program, so it is less idiotic for them.

I commanded 18 year old Soldiers, or as some would say kids, and a couple made serious mistakes and failed drug tests. One was abusing pain killer/opiate and the other self admittedly made a one time peer pressure stupid party mistake and knew he was in trouble before he even pissed in the cup. In counseling these soldiers, both knew their decisions were dumb/idiotic and knew there was a chance they would get caught. Both lost their jobs.

I would never compare the military to athletics, in reality this is just a game. But we need not forget how some of us were when we were in college on our own. I won't call them bad kids unless I know them to be of that nature. Some young adults just make bad decisions on their own. We have to cut them some slack. This board can be quite harsh to a 19 yr old .

If someone fails 2 tests they were already given a 2nd chance. Being allowed to come back to the team after a 1 yr suspension is being cut some slack.

I was talking more to the fans than coaches and admin. I am not trying to make excuse , I just know that athletes are going to continue to smoke marijunana no matter what the circumstances are. Now I like the way the are testing the athletes today, but there should be some type of mentoring happening because these are young adults. I have known of professors who smoked marijuana , but they were never tested , but we test our athlete two or three times a year.

I am not worried about the program, when you have 90 players and two or three get in trouble a year maybe , I can live with that percentage. Coaches can't be with the players 24 hours a day. Most of this falls on the parents to prepare their kids for the real world by themselves.

If they do that AFTER testing positive once, KNOWING they will be regularly tested after being caught once, and suspended for 5 games (or a whole season) for a 2nd positive, then they are IDIOTS.

And if someone continued to smoke after a 2nd positive, knowing a 3rd would get them permanently kicked off the team with loss of scholly, then they would be beyond being an idiot....

Have we had any idiots get a 3rd positive yet?