(08-18-2013 01:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:47 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 08:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The PAC likes state schools so I would guess it would be Texas Tech, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State to the PAC. If the Big 10 only plans to go to 16 then perhaps they take Texas and Oklahoma. I just don't see Texas moving to the Big 10 and that is why I don't have great confidence in this information. Texas is selfish, but not stupid. A move to the Big 10 alienates their fan base and gives the Aggies the inside track on becoming the most popular school in Texas. If only three go to the PAC with two to the Big 10 then 3 more schools have to be placed to void the GOR and dissolved the Big 12. So somewhere in this mix the SEC and/or ACC has to be involved as well.

I could see Texas going to the ACC, but not the SEC. If they go to the ACC they will likely do it to take a ND style deal and take a couple of buddies with them. That would be enough to get the deal done.

If the Big 10 takes 3 or more from the Big 12 then look for much broader movement than just with the Big 12. I give this less than 5% of happening.

This may or may not be true. But if we are moving to a more suitable structure for the networks something like this will happen sometime.

The PAC invited Colorado early because they didn't want Baylor.

FIFY

This.

We refer to the Texoma-4 as being Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State due to the fact that Colorado was taking and thus making it the Texoma-4 instead of the Texoma-5 or even Texoma-6 including A&M.

A conference such as the PAC has very clear evidence that they do not mind taking multiple schools in a massive market such as California.....or Texas. A move to 16 though predicates the magical number being four. Divisions/pods of four to be more exact. Bringing in the Texoma-5 would lead to five being the magical number and thus expansion to 20.

Colorado provides more flexibility for divisions, provides a brand new market and is a well respected public institution and all that comes with that. Baylor is a good school with a rising athletic department but the choice between the two is obvious with all the above taken into account.


The point, as you say, is that Texas Tech is absolutely within the realm of possibility for the PAC. Always has been, always will be.

(08-18-2013 09:25 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:13 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More nonsense. It's not happening. Oklahoma is not going to the Pac 12 or Big 10. These rumors are great traffic generators. That is all.

How would you know for sure? I am certainly not saying it is happening and if I was it certainly would not be due to some bloggers that obviously love the attention but for you to make an absolute statement like that, how do you know? You are doing the same thing they are doing.

Because of the recent statements from the Big XII commissioner and that our local media would be all over the rumor. Somebody is trying to attract more traffic to their blog or message board.

If UT/OU are off the board then the PAC could see their last chance to expand into the CTZ and take OSU/TTU and pair them with UNM and UNLV to solidify their footprint.

(08-18-2013 01:36 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If UT/OU are off the board then the PAC could see their last chance to expand into the CTZ and take OSU/TTU and pair them with UNM and UNLV to solidify their footprint.

It's not going to happen. OU and UT are not on board with anything.

Its just as much a hypothetical as OU to the SEC

Neither are likely and in all likelihood you're all in the B12 forever because nobody offers UT the level of power and control the B12 does.

(08-18-2013 01:40 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Its just as much a hypothetical as OU to the SEC

Neither are likely and in all likelihood you're all in the B12 forever because nobody offers UT the level of power and control the B12 does.

You're right it's hypothetical. Do you remember all that nonsense in 2011 when the media was reporting that the ink was drying on the contract for OU and Texas to be joining the Pac 12? There were pictures in the paper of ridiculous UT fans holding up bottles of sun tan lotion.

How many times do we need to fall for these rumors before we realize they are designed to drum up media attention?

(08-18-2013 12:13 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More nonsense. It's not happening. Oklahoma is not going to the Pac 12 or Big 10. These rumors are great traffic generators. That is all.

I agree and they are not going to the SEC either.

(08-18-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:13 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More nonsense. It's not happening. Oklahoma is not going to the Pac 12 or Big 10. These rumors are great traffic generators. That is all.

I agree and they are not going to the SEC either.

Did I say they were? We are locked into the Big XII for a long while. However, the SEC has a more likely shot of landing OU than the Pac 12.

(08-18-2013 12:47 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 08:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The PAC likes state schools so I would guess it would be Texas Tech, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State to the PAC. If the Big 10 only plans to go to 16 then perhaps they take Texas and Oklahoma. I just don't see Texas moving to the Big 10 and that is why I don't have great confidence in this information. Texas is selfish, but not stupid. A move to the Big 10 alienates their fan base and gives the Aggies the inside track on becoming the most popular school in Texas. If only three go to the PAC with two to the Big 10 then 3 more schools have to be placed to void the GOR and dissolved the Big 12. So somewhere in this mix the SEC and/or ACC has to be involved as well.

I could see Texas going to the ACC, but not the SEC. If they go to the ACC they will likely do it to take a ND style deal and take a couple of buddies with them. That would be enough to get the deal done.

If the Big 10 takes 3 or more from the Big 12 then look for much broader movement than just with the Big 12. I give this less than 5% of happening.

This may or may not be true. But if we are moving to a more suitable structure for the networks something like this will happen sometime.

The PAC invited Colorado early because they didn't want Texas Tech.

Everyone's early picks were a lot more obvious than the later ones will be. The PAC if it can't attract Texas or Oklahoma only has two options to generate more revenue. They can add some MWC teams or they can add time zone slots to sell more games to networks. I think the choice between the two will be a part of Texas and new central time zone slots.

(08-18-2013 01:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:13 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More nonsense. It's not happening. Oklahoma is not going to the Pac 12 or Big 10. These rumors are great traffic generators. That is all.

I agree and they are not going to the SEC either.

Did I say they were? We are locked into the Big XII for a long while. However, the SEC has a more likely shot of landing OU than the Pac 12.

I didn't say you did. I agree they are locked into the Big12 and seem very happy with it. However, I do not think the SEC has a more likely shot of landing OU than the PAC. I think it is the other way around.

(08-18-2013 02:07 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:13 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More nonsense. It's not happening. Oklahoma is not going to the Pac 12 or Big 10. These rumors are great traffic generators. That is all.

I agree and they are not going to the SEC either.

Did I say they were? We are locked into the Big XII for a long while. However, the SEC has a more likely shot of landing OU than the Pac 12.

I didn't say you did. I agree they are locked into the Big12 and seem very happy with it. However, I do not think the SEC has a more likely shot of landing OU than the PAC. I think it is the other way around.

The Pac 12 is not a cultural fit for Oklahoma. The SEC is. The PAC wants the Texas market and would not take Oklahoma without Texas. Oklahoma is tied to Oklahoma State and it's not likely the Pac 12 members would vote in favor of adding the Cowboys.

There are many reasons Texas is not moving west. Two of them being the LHN and the control they have in the Big XII. David Boren's opinion about AAU members in 2011 means very little now that the SEC took two of those AAU members. The writing is on the wall and people are starting to realize it. The SEC is going to remain dominant. Oklahoma will not be winning any more NC in the Big XII -definitely not in the Pac 12. It's a can't beat em, join em situation that is beginning to take form. Boren is nearing retirement and money talks.

Let the SEC win a few more national championships and more of the fans in Norman will start to realize they are playing the wrong opponents.

The Pac 10 was close to adding Oklahoma and Oklahoma State by themselves. It may have been an attempt to smoke out Texas, but we nearly had a Pac 14.

(08-18-2013 02:25 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pac 10 was close to adding Oklahoma and Oklahoma State by themselves. It may have been an attempt to smoke out Texas, but we nearly had a Pac 14.

They were never about to add those schools.

The Pac 12 allowed Boren to use their expansion to scare Texas into giving up the high school football programming on the LHN. The Pac 12 commissioner then ended the game of chicken by publicly stating they were happy with their current members.

(08-18-2013 01:19 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:47 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  The PAC invited Colorado early because they didn't want Texas Tech.

Sorry, but with all due rerspect that is not correct. The PAC took Colorado because they did not want Baylor.

It was neither. CU was in from day one.

I'm sure some Texans were focused on the drama with those schools because they were thinking this was like the SWC/Big 8 thing all over again ("UT is trying to kick Baylor and Tech to the curb again just like 15 years ago, but we'll stop them again like we did last time!"). But it wasn't that at all.

Larry Scott (as authorized by the Pac CEOs) invited six schools at once, but only CU and UT had unconditional invitations. The TAMU, TTU, OU, and OSU invitations were conditioned on UT saying yes, and the Pac CEOs had authorized Scott to offer the 16th spot to KU first and then Utah in the event TAMU said no (because they were pretty sure TAMU would say no even if everyone else said yes).

CU was able to accept their invitation right away because they didn't have to wait on UT's decision.

(08-18-2013 10:19 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Well, Baylor, TCU, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and West Virginia will all share on a Big Pay Day from the GOR and exit fees paid by Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.

The New Big 12
Western Division
San Diego State
Boise State
BYU
Baylor
TCU
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Eastern Division
UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Old Dominion
East Carolina
Memphis
Central Florida
South Florida

I would take that in a heartbeat.

(08-18-2013 01:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 09:25 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:13 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More nonsense. It's not happening. Oklahoma is not going to the Pac 12 or Big 10. These rumors are great traffic generators. That is all.

How would you know for sure? I am certainly not saying it is happening and if I was it certainly would not be due to some bloggers that obviously love the attention but for you to make an absolute statement like that, how do you know? You are doing the same thing they are doing.

Because of the recent statements from the Big XII commissioner and that our local media would be all over the rumor. Somebody is trying to attract more traffic to their blog or message board.

Local media is all over it if they are told about it. They rely upon the openness and goodwill of University officials in that regard.

Nice cover by Bowlsby.

(08-18-2013 02:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 02:07 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:13 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More nonsense. It's not happening. Oklahoma is not going to the Pac 12 or Big 10. These rumors are great traffic generators. That is all.

I agree and they are not going to the SEC either.

Did I say they were? We are locked into the Big XII for a long while. However, the SEC has a more likely shot of landing OU than the Pac 12.

I didn't say you did. I agree they are locked into the Big12 and seem very happy with it. However, I do not think the SEC has a more likely shot of landing OU than the PAC. I think it is the other way around.

The Pac 12 is not a cultural fit for Oklahoma. The SEC is. The PAC wants the Texas market and would not take Oklahoma without Texas. Oklahoma is tied to Oklahoma State and it's not likely the Pac 12 members would vote in favor of adding the Cowboys.

There are many reasons Texas is not moving west. Two of them being the LHN and the control they have in the Big XII. David Boren's opinion about AAU members in 2011 means very little now that the SEC took two of those AAU members. The writing is on the wall and people are starting to realize it. The SEC is going to remain dominant. Oklahoma will not be winning any more NC in the Big XII -definitely not in the Pac 12. It's a can't beat em, join em situation that is beginning to take form. Boren is nearing retirement and money talks.

Let the SEC win a few more national championships and more of the fans in Norman will start to realize they are playing the wrong opponents.

The cultural fit is a matter of opinion, not a fact. It has been welll documented that the PAC12 was set to take UT, A&M, Tech, CU , OU and OSU, before UT backed out. So actually it is likely the PAC12 would take OSU.

I believe most informed people would tell you the PAC would likely take the Texoma four (which includes OSU) in a heart beat. So again it is likely they would take OSU.

I think Joe Castiglione and Bob Stoops would disagree with you about OU not winning any more National Championships in the Big12. I think OU and Texas are both convinced that they have the best route to a National Championship in the Big12. DeLoss Dodds has been pretty outspoken about this.

(08-18-2013 05:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 09:25 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:13 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More nonsense. It's not happening. Oklahoma is not going to the Pac 12 or Big 10. These rumors are great traffic generators. Thuat is all.

How would you know for sure? I am certainly not saying it is happening and if I was it certainly would not be due to some bloggers that obviously love the attention but for you to make an absolute statement like that, how do you know? You are doing the same thing they are doing.

Because of the recent statements from the Big XII commissioner and that our local media would be all over the rumor. Somebody is trying to attract more traffic to their blog or message board.

Local media is all over it if they are told about it. They rely upon the openness and goodwill of University officials in that regard.

Nice cover by Bowlsby.

You mean like how the New York/New Jersey was all over the Rutgers move to B1G?

I still think that the only real option for Texas and it's pals is to go to the Pac. The Pac allows them to bring all their friends that their fans and alum want to see them play and bring in two more regional rivals in ASU and UA. It also gives them big named opponents who will be new to the schedule like the B1G would. USC, UCLA, Oregon and Stanford.

The thing that would really benefit Texas in the Pac would be is when they are the best in the league they would literally be able to say they are the best team in the whole western half of the country.

I think a division of UT, OU, OSU, Tech, UA, ASU, UC and Utah would suit the big donors better than one filled with teams in the mid-west. It would also ease the state legislator a bit more on Texas leaving some of it's fellow Texas schools behind.

I don't think this is close to happening and it wouldn't really heat up for at least 5 years and more than likely 9-10 years down the road.

If the Pac can't sway the Texas posse to roll with them, I see the Pac looking into a select set of G5 schools.

1. UNLV- Big City (in the west anyway) who is willing to invest in infrastructure for the school. They are in the works to build a huge state of the art football stadium. They have big potential but they need something like the Pac to help them realize it.

2. Hawaii- The Pac is making moves to put itself more into the asian markets. They are looking at playing games in China. Making Hawaii a member would help them achieve their goal. They are a state school with a great recruiting ground. Being a member of the pac will help keep some of those blue chippers home and help lure some of the big name recruits to head to the Big Island.

3. Nevada- They are a large state school that would help connect Utah and Colorado to the rest of the league. They have had some FB success and will be one of the top teams in the new MWC.

4. San Diego St- They are a great athletic department that would be an instant rival with it's fellow California brethren. They are in a big city and would be a great addition to the leagues athletic prowess.

(08-18-2013 05:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 09:25 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 12:13 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More nonsense. It's not happening. Oklahoma is not going to the Pac 12 or Big 10. These rumors are great traffic generators. That is all.

How would you know for sure? I am certainly not saying it is happening and if I was it certainly would not be due to some bloggers that obviously love the attention but for you to make an absolute statement like that, how do you know? You are doing the same thing they are doing.

Because of the recent statements from the Big XII commissioner and that our local media would be all over the rumor. Somebody is trying to attract more traffic to their blog or message board.

Local media is all over it if they are told about it. They rely upon the openness and goodwill of University officials in that regard.

Nice cover by Bowlsby.

You mean like how the New York/New Jersey media was all over the Rutgers move to B1G months before it happened?