If insurance carriers are already telling their policyholders to expect increases as high as 250%, they may not be in business much longer. Is it possible to take out credit default swaps on Anthem, Humana, etc.?

I have a hard time believing that it's a step towards totally replacing health insurance. A large portion of the bill was written by the insurance lobby to make them more powerful.

That being said, our healthcare system needed reforming but as I've said before, this law is barking up the wrong tree. I'd have to go with Owl#s plan of going with the Bismarck system.

(08-17-2013 06:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that it's a step towards totally replacing health insurance. A large portion of the bill was written by the insurance lobby to make them more powerful.

That being said, our healthcare system needed reforming but as I've said before, this law is barking up the wrong tree. I'd have to go with Owl#s plan of going with the Bismarck system.

That's not surprising. The poster right above you addressed that perfectly.

You cannot expect private insurance companies to stay afloat. This is the first step towards the Government running the entire health care industry. The democrats denied that before the bill was rammed through congress. The Republicans called it then, now Harry Reid admits it.

(08-17-2013 06:25 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 06:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that it's a step towards totally replacing health insurance. A large portion of the bill was written by the insurance lobby to make them more powerful.

That being said, our healthcare system needed reforming but as I've said before, this law is barking up the wrong tree. I'd have to go with Owl#s plan of going with the Bismarck system.

That's not surprising. The poster right above you addressed that perfectly.

You cannot expect private insurance companies to stay afloat. This is the first step towards the Government running the entire health care industry. The democrats denied that before the bill was rammed through congress. The Republicans called it then, now Harry Reid admits it.

I didn't see his post before. I can agree with him.

(08-17-2013 06:28 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 06:25 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 06:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that it's a step towards totally replacing health insurance. A large portion of the bill was written by the insurance lobby to make them more powerful.

That being said, our healthcare system needed reforming but as I've said before, this law is barking up the wrong tree. I'd have to go with Owl#s plan of going with the Bismarck system.

That's not surprising. The poster right above you addressed that perfectly.

You cannot expect private insurance companies to stay afloat. This is the first step towards the Government running the entire health care industry. The democrats denied that before the bill was rammed through congress. The Republicans called it then, now Harry Reid admits it.

I didn't see his post before. I can agree with him.

To do list:
weaken the economy
drive up inflation
create taxes on the middle class
weaken the military
get control of the health care industry

One of the consistent arguments those who are for universal healthcare use when arguing against our current system is that the insurance companies are the ones currently approving or denying treatments, drugs, procedures...

but in our current system if you are denied you have recourse, you can take the insurance company to court and overturn the denial.

If we are all under government health care, if you are denied a procedure or treatment, there will be no recourse but pleading to the same "benevolent" government that denied you in the first place.

No thanks.

Private healthcare for only the wealthy and government care for the rest sounds so 1984 it's scary.

(08-17-2013 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:29 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:27 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:13 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course this is a step towards a single payer system. It works for the military, why not for the rest of the country.

You want the federal government running the health care system?

You want a for profit company running the health care system?

Yes and so do most Americans.

Americans deserve a choice. Now they will have one.

The ******* irony

Someone please name ONE government social program that is a success and never breached it's original scope and cost parameters?

I don't need to have some crystal ball to know that this HC plan will be a disaster. The evidence of the historical government failures speaks for themselves.

As with every government social program ever foisted upon the citizens...This one will short term benefits for a few and long term damaging effects for many. It is a certainty.

(08-17-2013 08:39 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Someone please name ONE government social program that is a success and never breached it's original scope and cost parameters?

I don't need to have some crystal ball to know that this HC plan will be a disaster. The evidence of the historical government failures speaks for themselves.

As with every government social program ever foisted upon the citizens...This one will short term benefits for a few and long term damaging effects for many. It is a certainty.

And once in place we will never be able to undue it and every year those of us who produce will be taxed a little more each year to pay for it. The monster will need to be fed.

Government run healthcare:

All of the efficiency of the U.S. Postal Service and all of the compassion of the IRS.

(08-17-2013 10:13 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Government run healthcare:

All of the efficiency of the U.S. Postal Service and all of the compassion of the IRS.

and the cost controls of the US military...how about those $640 toilet seats!

(08-17-2013 10:13 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Government run healthcare:

All of the efficiency of the U.S. Postal Service and all of the compassion of the IRS.

Ill buy the bumper sticker.

(08-17-2013 03:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course the country is bigger than the military. So is it's work force that can be leveraged to pay for it.

1. The costs are already there. Where do you think these uninsured people go when they get sick? The the Vet?

2. The quality of care is there for whomever wants to pay for it.

3. Only for those on the government dime.

4. These hyde amendment prevents that.

5. Again for those on government health care only

6. See 5

1. No one is denied heathcare in this country. You are sick, you go to the hospital.

2. That makes absolutely no sense. Good doctors don't go into private practice to have the Govt control their entire practice. Med students aren't govt employees.

3. BS. Doctor shortages and funneling patients leads to long lines. See Canada

4. Please be serious. When a private doctor does it(Gosnell) he goes to prison. What happens when a tax payer funded practice does it? Who's to stop it?

5. Again, Govt run health care means everyone is on govt run health care.

6. People like you are dangerous for the country and extremely naive.

7. When the Govt decides who lives and who dies....what do we call that again?

You are missing the entire point.

You don't wait until you get sick to go to the doctor.

(08-18-2013 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course the country is bigger than the military. So is it's work force that can be leveraged to pay for it.

1. The costs are already there. Where do you think these uninsured people go when they get sick? The the Vet?

2. The quality of care is there for whomever wants to pay for it.

3. Only for those on the government dime.

4. These hyde amendment prevents that.

5. Again for those on government health care only

6. See 5

1. No one is denied heathcare in this country. You are sick, you go to the hospital.

2. That makes absolutely no sense. Good doctors don't go into private practice to have the Govt control their entire practice. Med students aren't govt employees.

3. BS. Doctor shortages and funneling patients leads to long lines. See Canada

4. Please be serious. When a private doctor does it(Gosnell) he goes to prison. What happens when a tax payer funded practice does it? Who's to stop it?

5. Again, Govt run health care means everyone is on govt run health care.

6. People like you are dangerous for the country and extremely naive.

7. When the Govt decides who lives and who dies....what do we call that again?

You are missing the entire point.

You don't wait until you get sick to go to the doctor.

Give it up man. Think about what you are promoting.

(08-18-2013 01:50 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course the country is bigger than the military. So is it's work force that can be leveraged to pay for it.

1. The costs are already there. Where do you think these uninsured people go when they get sick? The the Vet?

2. The quality of care is there for whomever wants to pay for it.

3. Only for those on the government dime.

4. These hyde amendment prevents that.

5. Again for those on government health care only

6. See 5

1. No one is denied heathcare in this country. You are sick, you go to the hospital.

2. That makes absolutely no sense. Good doctors don't go into private practice to have the Govt control their entire practice. Med students aren't govt employees.

3. BS. Doctor shortages and funneling patients leads to long lines. See Canada

4. Please be serious. When a private doctor does it(Gosnell) he goes to prison. What happens when a tax payer funded practice does it? Who's to stop it?

5. Again, Govt run health care means everyone is on govt run health care.

6. People like you are dangerous for the country and extremely naive.

7. When the Govt decides who lives and who dies....what do we call that again?

You are missing the entire point.

You don't wait until you get sick to go to the doctor.

Give it up man. Think about what you are promoting.

What I am promoting is health care for people who don't have it.

Why would you find something wrong with that?

Fitbud, you are so naive.

(08-20-2013 12:14 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:50 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course the country is bigger than the military. So is it's work force that can be leveraged to pay for it.

1. The costs are already there. Where do you think these uninsured people go when they get sick? The the Vet?

2. The quality of care is there for whomever wants to pay for it.

3. Only for those on the government dime.

4. These hyde amendment prevents that.

5. Again for those on government health care only

6. See 5

1. No one is denied heathcare in this country. You are sick, you go to the hospital.

2. That makes absolutely no sense. Good doctors don't go into private practice to have the Govt control their entire practice. Med students aren't govt employees.

3. BS. Doctor shortages and funneling patients leads to long lines. See Canada

4. Please be serious. When a private doctor does it(Gosnell) he goes to prison. What happens when a tax payer funded practice does it? Who's to stop it?

5. Again, Govt run health care means everyone is on govt run health care.

6. People like you are dangerous for the country and extremely naive.

7. When the Govt decides who lives and who dies....what do we call that again?

You are missing the entire point.

You don't wait until you get sick to go to the doctor.

Give it up man. Think about what you are promoting.

What I am promoting is health care for people who don't have it.

Why would you find something wrong with that?

No that is not what you are promoting now. Those people who don't have health care don't exist. They can show up at an ER and get health care any time. What you are proposing is to destroy the system that works well for 80-85% of us in order to change the delivery mechanism for the other 15-20%. The Obamacare path will ultimately result in the 80-85% paying more to wait longer for worse health care, in order to provide minimal improvement for the 15-20%--of whom many likely will not avail themselves of it.

There are systems that leave the 80-85% whole while taking care of the 15-20%. Those aren't the systems that we are emulating.

For the guy that is saying military veterans have a choice between the VA or civilian care unless you're in that position you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Unless you retire from the military you don't get VA care for life. My husband got "care" for 5 years and we are fortunate enough that he now works for an international company that has excellent insurance but that wasn't always the case. When he left the Army at the start of the jobs crash he was unemployed for a number of years and got by taking day labor jobs.

The VA is a joke and has been for at least 20 years now if not longer. My husband's Humvee was blown up in Iraq. He suffered a TBI and his back is jacked up but the VA won't recognize any of that. It takes 6 months to get an appointment that they usually "reschedule" about a week before for another 6 months down the road.

Is that really a "choice"?

(08-20-2013 12:14 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:50 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 03:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course the country is bigger than the military. So is it's work force that can be leveraged to pay for it.

1. The costs are already there. Where do you think these uninsured people go when they get sick? The the Vet?

2. The quality of care is there for whomever wants to pay for it.

3. Only for those on the government dime.

4. These hyde amendment prevents that.

5. Again for those on government health care only

6. See 5

1. No one is denied heathcare in this country. You are sick, you go to the hospital.

2. That makes absolutely no sense. Good doctors don't go into private practice to have the Govt control their entire practice. Med students aren't govt employees.

3. BS. Doctor shortages and funneling patients leads to long lines. See Canada

4. Please be serious. When a private doctor does it(Gosnell) he goes to prison. What happens when a tax payer funded practice does it? Who's to stop it?

5. Again, Govt run health care means everyone is on govt run health care.

6. People like you are dangerous for the country and extremely naive.

7. When the Govt decides who lives and who dies....what do we call that again?

You are missing the entire point.

You don't wait until you get sick to go to the doctor.

Give it up man. Think about what you are promoting.

What I am promoting is health care for people who don't have it.

Why would you find something wrong with that?

Your whole worry seems to be for people without health insurance...... don't you think it would be more efficient to "add" the uninsured to the VA system we already have in place? I'm sure there would have to be some facilities added - but since the government is doing such a bang-up job with the VA - add the uninsured to that system............maybe then folks would have some incentive to find the ability to enter the private system with insurance.

Obama on single payer health insurance




Of course his pals and the lawmakers are exempt from all of this.
What they want is for obama care to fail and then the next step,
to make everything ok, is make it all single payer government.
They want companies to not be able to afford insurance plans for
employees. They want Suzie Sales Rep with a college degree waiting in line with the scum of our citizenry, social justice baby.