who will we play in marlins the deals are done all ready somes ones 9 or 10
and are 1 or2 forget it bowl is useless why have it.
just sign what we can and move on but sign some bowls what are they waiting for.

(08-16-2013 08:34 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Hawaii is a good bowl.

Only game on Christmas Eve. Good ratings. Good exposure. Great reward for the players.

Our bowls are crap compared to the MWC. Total Crap.

Which bowl do you have that's worse than Boise? Or Albuquerque? Seriously, MWC fans aren't that excited to go there.

MWC has Las Vegas vs PAC #5. Ok, American has Military vs ACC #6-8 or so, Birmingham with SEC #8, and probably Armed Forces vs Big 10 #7-8/Big 12 #7.

And you'll have some other bowls. So how is that worse than the MWC lineup?

I actually think MWC is worse off than CUSA or AAC in that they gave up control of their number one bowl. At least CUSA has the HoD and AAC has the Military that ESPN can't touch. It will be interesting to see which AAC/ESPN bowl agreements contain 5 of 6 year terms.

(08-16-2013 10:37 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 08:34 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Hawaii is a good bowl.

Only game on Christmas Eve. Good ratings. Good exposure. Great reward for the players.

Our bowls are crap compared to the MWC. Total Crap.

Which bowl do you have that's worse than Boise? Or Albuquerque? Seriously, MWC fans aren't that excited to go there.

MWC has Las Vegas vs PAC #5. Ok, American has Military vs ACC #6-8 or so, Birmingham with SEC #8, and probably Armed Forces vs Big 10 #7-8/Big 12 #7.

And you'll have some other bowls. So how is that worse than the MWC lineup?

Because Pac #5 > Pretty much all of the bowl options at this point, ACC #6-8 included. Honestly after a conference's #6 I just stop counting.

(08-16-2013 11:39 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 10:37 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 08:34 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Hawaii is a good bowl.

Only game on Christmas Eve. Good ratings. Good exposure. Great reward for the players.

Our bowls are crap compared to the MWC. Total Crap.

Which bowl do you have that's worse than Boise? Or Albuquerque? Seriously, MWC fans aren't that excited to go there.

MWC has Las Vegas vs PAC #5. Ok, American has Military vs ACC #6-8 or so, Birmingham with SEC #8, and probably Armed Forces vs Big 10 #7-8/Big 12 #7.

And you'll have some other bowls. So how is that worse than the MWC lineup?

Because Pac #5 > Pretty much all of the bowl options at this point, ACC #6-8 included. Honestly after a conference's #6 I just stop counting.

The Pac #5 isn't slated to go to Las Vegas. The Pac #6 is.

I'll trust y'all's judgement as far as who's number 6 is better than someone else's 6 as I'm not knowledgeable in that area. Just typing out loud, but doesn't BYU have a contract with ESPN? Maybe this is a way to integrate them into the bowl pool. I just don't see it benefiting the MWC as there is a chance that their number one faces a "lesser" opponent in their ousted year. On the other hand, it would be cool for an AAC team to snag that spot.

While it will probably be better for ESPN's ratings, I don't see it benefitting the AAC or MWC as much as say the MAC or Sun Belt. In theory, they'll be able to "sell" the possibility of playing the PAC, SEC, B1G...bowl opponents they wouldn't otherwise have access to play. It levels the playing field a bit in a time when gaining separation is key for perception, recruiting... I might be over thinking it, but I'm glad not ALL AAC bowls will be ESPN owned like the MWC.

(08-16-2013 12:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 11:39 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 10:37 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 08:34 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Hawaii is a good bowl.

Only game on Christmas Eve. Good ratings. Good exposure. Great reward for the players.

Our bowls are crap compared to the MWC. Total Crap.

Which bowl do you have that's worse than Boise? Or Albuquerque? Seriously, MWC fans aren't that excited to go there.

MWC has Las Vegas vs PAC #5. Ok, American has Military vs ACC #6-8 or so, Birmingham with SEC #8, and probably Armed Forces vs Big 10 #7-8/Big 12 #7.

And you'll have some other bowls. So how is that worse than the MWC lineup?

Because Pac #5 > Pretty much all of the bowl options at this point, ACC #6-8 included. Honestly after a conference's #6 I just stop counting.

The Pac #5 isn't slated to go to Las Vegas. The Pac #6 is.

The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl release said they signed on to get the Pac12 #6 pick so the Las Vegas Bowl is getting the #7 from the Pac12. So that is no better than the American. Actually worse considering that is the 7 from a 12 team league versus the 7-9 from a 15 team league.

(08-16-2013 01:19 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 12:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 11:39 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 10:37 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 08:34 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Hawaii is a good bowl.

Only game on Christmas Eve. Good ratings. Good exposure. Great reward for the players.

Our bowls are crap compared to the MWC. Total Crap.

Which bowl do you have that's worse than Boise? Or Albuquerque? Seriously, MWC fans aren't that excited to go there.

MWC has Las Vegas vs PAC #5. Ok, American has Military vs ACC #6-8 or so, Birmingham with SEC #8, and probably Armed Forces vs Big 10 #7-8/Big 12 #7.

And you'll have some other bowls. So how is that worse than the MWC lineup?

Because Pac #5 > Pretty much all of the bowl options at this point, ACC #6-8 included. Honestly after a conference's #6 I just stop counting.

The Pac #5 isn't slated to go to Las Vegas. The Pac #6 is.

The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl release said they signed on to get the Pac12 #6 pick so the Las Vegas Bowl is getting the #7 from the Pac12. So that is no better than the American. Actually worse considering that is the 7 from a 12 team league versus the 7-9 from a 15 team league.

Well, there you go. It's even worse than I thought. I'm still shocked that once the bowl picture became clear, that the Mountain West and AAC didn't come together on a #1 vs #1 game. Let our #2's go play the 7th best team in some power conference. Let our champs play champs. Seems simple enough, yet nobody made it happen.

(08-16-2013 01:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well, there you go. It's even worse than I thought. I'm still shocked that once the bowl picture became clear, that the Mountain West and AAC didn't come together on a #1 vs #1 game. Let our #2's go play the 7th best team in some power conference. Let our champs play champs. Seems simple enough, yet nobody made it happen.

Probably because not enough people who can make it happen agree with you.

(08-16-2013 09:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 01:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well, there you go. It's even worse than I thought. I'm still shocked that once the bowl picture became clear, that the Mountain West and AAC didn't come together on a #1 vs #1 game. Let our #2's go play the 7th best team in some power conference. Let our champs play champs. Seems simple enough, yet nobody made it happen.

Probably because not enough people who can make it happen agree with you.

Perhaps. All we really know for sure is a month ago they agreed with me that a #7 P5 opponent is only worth our #3. It appears we have now painted ourselves into a corner where a P-5 #7-10 selection is now worthy of our #1.

(08-16-2013 10:37 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 08:34 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Hawaii is a good bowl.

Only game on Christmas Eve. Good ratings. Good exposure. Great reward for the players.

Our bowls are crap compared to the MWC. Total Crap.

Which bowl do you have that's worse than Boise? Or Albuquerque? Seriously, MWC fans aren't that excited to go there.

MWC has Las Vegas vs PAC #5. Ok, American has Military vs ACC #6-8 or so, Birmingham with SEC #8, and probably Armed Forces vs Big 10 #7-8/Big 12 #7.

And you'll have some other bowls. So how is that worse than the MWC lineup?

Lets be honest. Does the last (oh second to last SEC) team really matter? Our best bowl right now...best is in Annapolis, MD in the middle of the winter. Awesome. Cant wait. Did I mention that its in the North East in the winter. Not in San Diego, Vegas or Hawaii.

Lets just look at locations: San Diego, Las Vegas, and Hawaii vs Annapolis (freezing rain likely) , Birmingham (utter shiiiithole), Tropicana Field (indoor dump of a baseball park)

You go to Boise or New Mexico in the winter and guess what you can ski and do some cool stuff. I bet we end up going to Detroit and Ft. Worth.

Nothing about our situation is good relative to the MWC. Nothing.

(08-16-2013 01:19 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 12:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The Pac #5 isn't slated to go to Las Vegas. The Pac #6 is.

The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl release said they signed on to get the Pac12 #6 pick so the Las Vegas Bowl is getting the #7 from the Pac12. So that is no better than the American. Actually worse considering that is the 7 from a 12 team league versus the 7-9 from a 15 team league.

The PAC has Alamo, Holiday, KRaft, Sun, Vegas and BWW. We know Alamo gets #1, Holiday has a Big Ten upper-tier opponent, Kraft has a Big TEn mid-tier opponent and Sun has an ACC mid-tier opponent. So Vegas and BWW are #5 and #6. So if BWW is #6, then Las Vegas is #5.

As for the Military Bowl getting AAC #3-6, it's pretty clear that the leadership was counting on some things happening that didn't. During the #AskAresco thing, I asked if your champion would float, and he said that the champion would have a set bowl. That's not going to happen, unless it's Birmingham (shudder).

(08-16-2013 10:41 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 01:19 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 12:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The Pac #5 isn't slated to go to Las Vegas. The Pac #6 is.

The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl release said they signed on to get the Pac12 #6 pick so the Las Vegas Bowl is getting the #7 from the Pac12. So that is no better than the American. Actually worse considering that is the 7 from a 12 team league versus the 7-9 from a 15 team league.

The PAC has Alamo, Holiday, KRaft, Sun, Vegas and BWW. We know Alamo gets #1, Holiday has a Big Ten upper-tier opponent, Kraft has a Big TEn mid-tier opponent and Sun has an ACC mid-tier opponent. So Vegas and BWW are #5 and #6. So if BWW is #6, then Las Vegas is #5.

As for the Military Bowl getting AAC #3-6, it's pretty clear that the leadership was counting on some things happening that didn't. During the #AskAresco thing, I asked if your champion would float, and he said that the champion would have a set bowl. That's not going to happen, unless it's Birmingham (shudder).

I looked a number of articles and couldn't find any that have the LV Bowl at number 5. Most have it at 6 or 7. I actually think its #7. Wilner shows this line up--


Here’s the top of the league’s bowl lineup starting with the ’14 season (I’ll update today if more info becomes available:

1. Rose/playoff

2. Alamo vs. Big 12

3. Holiday vs. Big Ten

4. Kraft vs Big Ten

5. Sun Bowl

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...kes-shape/

ESPN says the BWW has the number 6 selection. They are slotted against the Big-12 #5. I don't think the MW #1 is going to be slotted ahead of the Big-12 #5. That has to put Vegas behind the BWW.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-12-big-12

Well the Miami Aresco bowl will probably an ESPN Bowl.

Maybe just maybe this could be in the cards

The years the ACC is NOT in St Pete they play in Miami vs AAC
That leaves two years without the ACC in Miami and one could be the MWC #1
The other year coud be BYU or PAC team

(08-16-2013 11:31 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Well the Miami Aresco bowl will probably an ESPN Bowl.

Maybe just maybe this could be in the cards

The years the ACC is NOT in St Pete they play in Miami vs AAC
That leaves two years without the ACC in Miami and one could be the MWC #1
The other year coud be BYU or PAC team

That would not be a bad line up for the Marlins bowl. I thought the B-10 was considering 3 years there too if the bowl became a reality. If the Christmas Bowl does not make it the Marlins Bowl would definitely have a shot at BYU and and the PAC-12 for a couple of years too like you mentioned above. The Marlins bowl rotating the B-10, ACC, PAC-12, BYU, and the MWC #1 through could end up being the best bowl behind the playoff for the American #1 / #2 with a decent pay out too.

(08-16-2013 11:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 10:41 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 01:19 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 12:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The Pac #5 isn't slated to go to Las Vegas. The Pac #6 is.

The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl release said they signed on to get the Pac12 #6 pick so the Las Vegas Bowl is getting the #7 from the Pac12. So that is no better than the American. Actually worse considering that is the 7 from a 12 team league versus the 7-9 from a 15 team league.

The PAC has Alamo, Holiday, KRaft, Sun, Vegas and BWW. We know Alamo gets #1, Holiday has a Big Ten upper-tier opponent, Kraft has a Big TEn mid-tier opponent and Sun has an ACC mid-tier opponent. So Vegas and BWW are #5 and #6. So if BWW is #6, then Las Vegas is #5.

ESPN says the BWW has the number 6 selection. They are slotted against the Big-12 #5. I don't think the MW #1 is going to be slotted ahead of the Big-12 #5. That has to put Vegas behind the BWW.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-12-big-12

Beginning after the 2014 regular season, the bowl will match the sixth selection from the Pac-12 against the fifth pick from the Big 12, after selections by the College Football Playoff.

So if BWW is #6, then Las Vegas is #5.

And this is the last board (except for the MWC board, I guess), where I'd expect to hear that a MWC/AAC number one is automatically behind a P5 #5 or 6.

(08-17-2013 07:19 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 11:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 10:41 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 01:19 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 12:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The Pac #5 isn't slated to go to Las Vegas. The Pac #6 is.

The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl release said they signed on to get the Pac12 #6 pick so the Las Vegas Bowl is getting the #7 from the Pac12. So that is no better than the American. Actually worse considering that is the 7 from a 12 team league versus the 7-9 from a 15 team league.

The PAC has Alamo, Holiday, KRaft, Sun, Vegas and BWW. We know Alamo gets #1, Holiday has a Big Ten upper-tier opponent, Kraft has a Big TEn mid-tier opponent and Sun has an ACC mid-tier opponent. So Vegas and BWW are #5 and #6. So if BWW is #6, then Las Vegas is #5.

ESPN says the BWW has the number 6 selection. They are slotted against the Big-12 #5. I don't think the MW #1 is going to be slotted ahead of the Big-12 #5. That has to put Vegas behind the BWW.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-12-big-12

Beginning after the 2014 regular season, the bowl will match the sixth selection from the Pac-12 against the fifth pick from the Big 12, after selections by the College Football Playoff.

So if BWW is #6, then Las Vegas is #5.

And this is the last board (except for the MWC board, I guess), where I'd expect to hear that a MWC/AAC number one is automatically behind a P5 #5 or 6.

That's not my personal opinion, it's just a fact of life. The LV Bowl currently gets the #1 MW team and the #5 Pac12 team. The Pac12 currently plays the Big-12 #5 in the Holiday Bowl. Right now, the PAC-12 sends thier #3 pick to the HolidayBowl----thats two picks in front of the MW #1. These current deals were made when the MW still had BYU, Utah, and TCU. Do you really think in the post 2014 college football landscape that the MW, with a weaker line up, is jumping two slots in front of the Big12? Even the MW boards don't think that.

The PAC-12 used to have the weakest bowl line up of the P5. They have improved thier line up with a couple of games vs the B1G. That's why the Las Vegas Bowl is getting bumped back.

(08-17-2013 10:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 07:19 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 11:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 10:41 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 01:19 PM)PT_american Wrote:  The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl release said they signed on to get the Pac12 #6 pick so the Las Vegas Bowl is getting the #7 from the Pac12. So that is no better than the American. Actually worse considering that is the 7 from a 12 team league versus the 7-9 from a 15 team league.

The PAC has Alamo, Holiday, KRaft, Sun, Vegas and BWW. We know Alamo gets #1, Holiday has a Big Ten upper-tier opponent, Kraft has a Big TEn mid-tier opponent and Sun has an ACC mid-tier opponent. So Vegas and BWW are #5 and #6. So if BWW is #6, then Las Vegas is #5.

ESPN says the BWW has the number 6 selection. They are slotted against the Big-12 #5. I don't think the MW #1 is going to be slotted ahead of the Big-12 #5. That has to put Vegas behind the BWW.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-12-big-12

Beginning after the 2014 regular season, the bowl will match the sixth selection from the Pac-12 against the fifth pick from the Big 12, after selections by the College Football Playoff.

So if BWW is #6, then Las Vegas is #5.

And this is the last board (except for the MWC board, I guess), where I'd expect to hear that a MWC/AAC number one is automatically behind a P5 #5 or 6.

That's not my personal opinion, it's just a fact of life. The LV Bowl currently gets the #1 MW team and the #5 Pac12 team. The Pac12 currently plays the Big-12 #5 in the Holiday Bowl. The Holiday Bowl currently gets the Pac12 #3 pick---two picks in front of the MW #1. These deals were made when the MW still had BYU, Utah, and TCU. Do you really think in today's college football landscape the the MW, with a weaker line up, is jumping two slots in front of the Big12?

Given that the Las Vegas Bowl has had Boise State for the last three years, it's a mild upset, not a total shock, that Big 12 # 5 (after playoffs) ranks after MWC #1 (after playoffs).

(08-16-2013 11:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 10:41 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 01:19 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 12:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The Pac #5 isn't slated to go to Las Vegas. The Pac #6 is.

The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl release said they signed on to get the Pac12 #6 pick so the Las Vegas Bowl is getting the #7 from the Pac12. So that is no better than the American. Actually worse considering that is the 7 from a 12 team league versus the 7-9 from a 15 team league.

The PAC has Alamo, Holiday, KRaft, Sun, Vegas and BWW. We know Alamo gets #1, Holiday has a Big Ten upper-tier opponent, Kraft has a Big TEn mid-tier opponent and Sun has an ACC mid-tier opponent. So Vegas and BWW are #5 and #6. So if BWW is #6, then Las Vegas is #5.

As for the Military Bowl getting AAC #3-6, it's pretty clear that the leadership was counting on some things happening that didn't. During the #AskAresco thing, I asked if your champion would float, and he said that the champion would have a set bowl. That's not going to happen, unless it's Birmingham (shudder).

I looked a number of articles and couldn't find any that have the LV Bowl at number 5. Most have it at 6 or 7. I actually think its #7. Wilner shows this line up--


Here’s the top of the league’s bowl lineup starting with the ’14 season (I’ll update today if more info becomes available:

1. Rose/playoff

2. Alamo vs. Big 12

3. Holiday vs. Big Ten

4. Kraft vs Big Ten

5. Sun Bowl

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...kes-shape/

ESPN says the BWW has the number 6 selection. They are slotted against the Big-12 #5. I don't think the MW #1 is going to be slotted ahead of the Big-12 #5. That has to put Vegas behind the BWW.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-12-big-12

You are correct. The Vegas is behind the BWW bowl. Vegas is actually the PAC last bowl so we are either getting the #7 or 8 if a PAC is in the playoff.
But as I've said in previous posts, as long as we play the PAC teams during the regular season, I don't mind playing other G5 teams in a bowl that will be more highly ranked the the lowest PAC team.

(08-17-2013 10:39 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  You are correct. The Vegas is behind the BWW bowl.

Is there a source that says "VEgas is behind BWW'? Because the ESPN article says that BWW is #6 after playoffs, the older article said that Rose, Alamo, Holiday, Kraft and Sun are #1-5 including playoffs. So what's PAC #5 after playoffs if not the Las Vegas Bowl?