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6,932- Ohio
4,609- MAC Tournament
4,122- Toledo
3,782- Akron
3,291- Buffalo
3,120- Ball State
2,982- MAC avg
2,755- Western Michigan
2,652- Kent State
1,992- Bowling Green
1,783- Central Michigan
1,412- Miami
1,087- Northern Illinois
917- Eastern Michigan

(08-14-2013 02:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Link here

6,932- Ohio
4,609- MAC Tournament
4,122- Toledo
3,782- Akron
3,291- Buffalo
3,120- Ball State
2,982- MAC avg
2,755- Western Michigan
2,652- Kent State
1,992- Bowling Green
1,783- Central Michigan
1,412- Miami
1,087- Northern Illinois
917- Eastern Michigan

Surprising.

No surprise with Miami, I think that attendance is perhaps the lowest average we've ever seen since moving to Millett. If anything, it's generous.

However, with the renovations approaching and some improvement likely on the court this year, I think we should see that number climbing a little.

Nothing surprising here.

as % to capacity

68.76%- Akron (5,500)
56.47%- Toledo (7,300)
53.95%- Buffalo (6,100)
53.00%- Ohio (13,080)
50.82%- Western Michigan (5,421)
42.38%- Bowling Green (4,700)
41.92%- Kent State (6,327)
39.61%- MAC avg (7,529)
34.29%- Central Michigan (5,200)
27.13%- Ball State (11,500)
22.06%- Miami (6,400)
10.87%- Northern Illinois (10,000)
10.39%- Eastern Michigan (8,824)

(08-14-2013 02:16 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Link here

6,932- Ohio
4,609- MAC Tournament
4,122- Toledo
3,782- Akron
3,291- Buffalo
3,120- Ball State
2,982- MAC avg
2,755- Western Michigan
2,652- Kent State
1,992- Bowling Green
1,783- Central Michigan
1,412- Miami
1,087- Northern Illinois
917- Eastern Michigan

Surprising.

It should be but a chunk of fans are just not excited right now. Sadly I think some of the fan base thought that last years team was not very good for a good portion of the season and when it was clear they were better than we expected it was too late to turn it around.

Millett's attendance percentage is deceiving, the place can hold 9,200 but the tarps on the upper half/curve block a lot of area off.

I was surprised with Ball State's numbers considering the crap offense Billy Taylor ran.

There's a lot of excitement with the new coach and expect those numbers to be much better this coming year.

B ball is a dying sport.....pro and college.

(08-14-2013 09:47 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  B ball is a dying sport.....pro and college.

How so?

Kent State did pretty good last year despite having to rebuild that much of the roster. They did lose a couple of key players and Akron still looks stronger. Ohio lost a lot of key players and should slip back toward the middle of the pack this year. Buffalo may be the MAC's best team this year or right with Akron at the top. Depend how they adjust to the new coach, but UB has some serious talent coming back. Toledo and Western Michigan should be very good too. They may be three and four behind UB and Akron. Kent State and Ohio 5th and 6th and then its a bit of a drop after that. The bottom half of the MAC was so bad last year it will need more than a year to catch up to be among the contenders.

(08-14-2013 09:47 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  B ball is a dying sport.....pro and college.

Diaagree completely.

Basketball caters to younger generations more than slower paced sports.

It also doesn't have the concussion problem this country's favorite sport has........

(08-15-2013 05:44 AM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 09:47 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  B ball is a dying sport.....pro and college.

Diaagree completely.

Basketball caters to younger generations more than slower paced sports.

It also doesn't have the concussion problem this country's favorite sport has........

It's not dying but it is hurting IMO and here's why. I followed the NBA pretty closely for a lot of years. I followed college hoops less closely but closely enough that I knew the players on the top teams and the top players from other teams. When they moved to the NBA after four years one was able to continue to follow them. Now players are gone after a year and I have no idea who they are when they enter the NBA. Big name college players rarely make a bit impact in the pros because they developed that name over four years which means they weren't all that good. I'll read about a trade of some guy who has been in the league for a couple years and I've never heard of him and have no idea what school he attended.

Same problem in reverse afflicts college hoops. Players for the marquee teams are gone so quickly no one becomes familiar with them and there is a sense that teams like Kentucky are really pro teams acting as a minor league for the NBA. Or maybe I'm just getting old and don't care that much about it anymore but the loss of so many top players after one year really killed my interest in both levels.

(08-15-2013 08:05 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 05:44 AM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 09:47 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  B ball is a dying sport.....pro and college.

Diaagree completely.

Basketball caters to younger generations more than slower paced sports.

It also doesn't have the concussion problem this country's favorite sport has........

It's not dying but it is hurting IMO and here's why. I followed the NBA pretty closely for a lot of years. I followed college hoops less closely but closely enough that I knew the players on the top teams and the top players from other teams. When they moved to the NBA after four years one was able to continue to follow them. Now players are gone after a year and I have no idea who they are when they enter the NBA. Big name college players rarely make a bit impact in the pros because they developed that name over four years which means they weren't all that good. I'll read about a trade of some guy who has been in the league for a couple years and I've never heard of him and have no idea what school he attended.

Same problem in reverse afflicts college hoops. Players for the marquee teams are gone so quickly no one becomes familiar with them and there is a sense that teams like Kentucky are really pro teams acting as a minor league for the NBA. Or maybe I'm just getting old and don't care that much about it anymore but the loss of so many top players after one year really killed my interest in both levels.

I agree with you. I don't really care for the NBA as much for some of the reasons you mentioned...

However, I don't think a lot of people have the problem. The NBA is rolling in cash from younger fans.

(08-15-2013 08:11 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:05 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 05:44 AM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 09:47 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  B ball is a dying sport.....pro and college.

Diaagree completely.

Basketball caters to younger generations more than slower paced sports.

It also doesn't have the concussion problem this country's favorite sport has........

It's not dying but it is hurting IMO and here's why. I followed the NBA pretty closely for a lot of years. I followed college hoops less closely but closely enough that I knew the players on the top teams and the top players from other teams. When they moved to the NBA after four years one was able to continue to follow them. Now players are gone after a year and I have no idea who they are when they enter the NBA. Big name college players rarely make a bit impact in the pros because they developed that name over four years which means they weren't all that good. I'll read about a trade of some guy who has been in the league for a couple years and I've never heard of him and have no idea what school he attended.

Same problem in reverse afflicts college hoops. Players for the marquee teams are gone so quickly no one becomes familiar with them and there is a sense that teams like Kentucky are really pro teams acting as a minor league for the NBA. Or maybe I'm just getting old and don't care that much about it anymore but the loss of so many top players after one year really killed my interest in both levels.

I agree with you. I don't really care for the NBA as much for some of the reasons you mentioned...

However, I don't think a lot of people have the problem. The NBA is rolling in cash from younger fans.

Yeah, I guess that's who they cater to and I understand a free market for talent. Players shouldn't be forced to stay in school even one year, IMO. But it has affected MY interest some. It's not as though the Final Four has lost its relevance either. I guess it's just a paradigm shift -younger fans don't even recall the days when top players stayed in college four years.

I believe that the NBA should adopt the MLB's draft policy: declare right after high school or wait until after junior year. But as far as basketball as a sport goes, I think it's growing a bunch and I don't even like the NBA. Basketball as a whole is a fun, fast-paced game that excites a lot of younger fans.

(08-14-2013 06:31 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Millett's attendance percentage is deceiving, the place can hold 9,200 but the tarps on the upper half/curve block a lot of area off.

I remember following some Gary Trent led Ohio teams to Oxford and Millett was rocking. One of the games was standing room and over 10,000. I may be the only Ohio fan that really misses playing a strong Miami team. I love hating Miami so much more than Akron. Maybe it's because I respect Miami as a school sooooo much more than Akron. I really hope the new guy turns it around and Miami joins Ohio back at the top of the MAC and Akron returns to a position more suited for it......the basement. :)

(08-15-2013 09:55 PM)Gallia Cat Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 06:31 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Millett's attendance percentage is deceiving, the place can hold 9,200 but the tarps on the upper half/curve block a lot of area off.

I remember following some Gary Trent led Ohio teams to Oxford and Millett was rocking. One of the games was standing room and over 10,000. I may be the only Ohio fan that really misses playing a strong Miami team. I love hating Miami so much more than Akron. Maybe it's because I respect Miami as a school sooooo much more than Akron. I really hope the new guy turns it around and Miami joins Ohio back at the top of the MAC and Akron returns to a position more suited for it......the basement. :)

I'd like to see Miami join Akron in the 2nd tier of the MAC. If those two programs can supplement Ohio you are talking about a multi-bid league every year.

Hopefully Toledo and Ball State can get it going in the West. I think they've got the highest potential. Although NIU could also build something off of football.

(08-15-2013 09:55 PM)Gallia Cat Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 06:31 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Millett's attendance percentage is deceiving, the place can hold 9,200 but the tarps on the upper half/curve block a lot of area off.

I remember following some Gary Trent led Ohio teams to Oxford and Millett was rocking. One of the games was standing room and over 10,000. I may be the only Ohio fan that really misses playing a strong Miami team. I love hating Miami so much more than Akron. Maybe it's because I respect Miami as a school sooooo much more than Akron. I really hope the new guy turns it around and Miami joins Ohio back at the top of the MAC and Akron returns to a position more suited for it......the basement. :)

I think Coop is laying a good foundation for us. The first season was 'my way or the highway,' and we saw bad results on the court as he tried to coach with Coles' players. Now he'll have two of his recruiting classes and some good transfer players coming in this year. Usually when a coach rocks the boat like he has, the third year is a great indicator of whether or not he'll be a good long-term coach for us. Millett could be a feared venue again, but years of mediocrity and the success of hockey killed off interest in basketball in Oxford. We shall see if we can get back.

(08-15-2013 08:22 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:11 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:05 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 05:44 AM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 09:47 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  B ball is a dying sport.....pro and college.

Diaagree completely.

Basketball caters to younger generations more than slower paced sports.

It also doesn't have the concussion problem this country's favorite sport has........

It's not dying but it is hurting IMO and here's why. I followed the NBA pretty closely for a lot of years. I followed college hoops less closely but closely enough that I knew the players on the top teams and the top players from other teams. When they moved to the NBA after four years one was able to continue to follow them. Now players are gone after a year and I have no idea who they are when they enter the NBA. Big name college players rarely make a bit impact in the pros because they developed that name over four years which means they weren't all that good. I'll read about a trade of some guy who has been in the league for a couple years and I've never heard of him and have no idea what school he attended.

Same problem in reverse afflicts college hoops. Players for the marquee teams are gone so quickly no one becomes familiar with them and there is a sense that teams like Kentucky are really pro teams acting as a minor league for the NBA. Or maybe I'm just getting old and don't care that much about it anymore but the loss of so many top players after one year really killed my interest in both levels.

I agree with you. I don't really care for the NBA as much for some of the reasons you mentioned...

However, I don't think a lot of people have the problem. The NBA is rolling in cash from younger fans.

Yeah, I guess that's who they cater to and I understand a free market for talent. Players shouldn't be forced to stay in school even one year, IMO. But it has affected MY interest some. It's not as though the Final Four has lost its relevance either. I guess it's just a paradigm shift -younger fans don't even recall the days when top players stayed in college four years.

College hoops though has not had the attendance erosion that football has had and CBS's TV numbers for the tourney this year were huge, the best they've had in years. Hoops bid drawing card is the ability of the have nots to play and beat the haves which is what football has tried strenuously to eliminate.

The 2011 Tourney final 4 included 3 teams from non P5 conferences, most of the Final 4's since 06 have had at least 1 team from a non P5 league. That will never happen in football, unless by some miracle a non P5 team beats 2 P5 teams on the road convincingly and the 2 P5 teams either win their conference or play for their conference title and that non P5 team goes undefeated. even then it would be a strech.