(08-13-2013 12:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 09:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 08:50 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 04:10 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 03:39 PM)kardphan Wrote:  Happy to see cincy moving forward with this. Great school and some of the best fans I've been around even as a school of a rival. Playing in Paul brown for a year is never a bad thing either.

Too bad they have trouble getting 30k for home games.

So as has been said time and again...the last few thousand seats at Nippert are obstructed view. In addition, when there are 35K there for a game the concourses, concessions, and bathrooms are a bear. The stadium seats 35K but isn't set up for that many people. So for UC to sell out they have to either be really good or it needs to be an opponent people really want to see. In 2009 we had a lot of capacity crowds because we were really good...ie people put up with the obstructed view seats and issues with restrooms/concourse/concession stands. To further support this, check out UC bowl travel...it's very good. We took 20K to the OB, 30K to the SB, 15K to the liberty bowl, 12K to the Belk bowl, etc. That is a nice travelling base for a team that "has trouble getting 30K for home games". Once the expansion and upgrades are done you will see a whole different situation at Nippert and UC.

Getting people to go to home games is one thing. I think Cincy's been dismissed for football because they don't travel well, either.

But, I really hope it gets you guys into a better conference. I actually thought UC was more deserving of the ACC bid than UL. UC football kind of monopolized the top of the Big East. Just a shame there's no "oh we beat Florida!" or "we scored on Clemson again" to make a driving point on merit that's already there.

UC travels very well....

Yes, they just don't draw well at home.

(08-14-2013 10:38 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 12:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 09:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 08:50 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 04:10 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Too bad they have trouble getting 30k for home games.

So as has been said time and again...the last few thousand seats at Nippert are obstructed view. In addition, when there are 35K there for a game the concourses, concessions, and bathrooms are a bear. The stadium seats 35K but isn't set up for that many people. So for UC to sell out they have to either be really good or it needs to be an opponent people really want to see. In 2009 we had a lot of capacity crowds because we were really good...ie people put up with the obstructed view seats and issues with restrooms/concourse/concession stands. To further support this, check out UC bowl travel...it's very good. We took 20K to the OB, 30K to the SB, 15K to the liberty bowl, 12K to the Belk bowl, etc. That is a nice travelling base for a team that "has trouble getting 30K for home games". Once the expansion and upgrades are done you will see a whole different situation at Nippert and UC.

Getting people to go to home games is one thing. I think Cincy's been dismissed for football because they don't travel well, either.

But, I really hope it gets you guys into a better conference. I actually thought UC was more deserving of the ACC bid than UL. UC football kind of monopolized the top of the Big East. Just a shame there's no "oh we beat Florida!" or "we scored on Clemson again" to make a driving point on merit that's already there.

UC travels very well....

Yes, they just don't draw well at home.

You think your posts are going to magically get UConn into the Big Ten
or ACC.

(08-14-2013 10:38 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 12:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 09:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 08:50 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 04:10 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Too bad they have trouble getting 30k for home games.

So as has been said time and again...the last few thousand seats at Nippert are obstructed view. In addition, when there are 35K there for a game the concourses, concessions, and bathrooms are a bear. The stadium seats 35K but isn't set up for that many people. So for UC to sell out they have to either be really good or it needs to be an opponent people really want to see. In 2009 we had a lot of capacity crowds because we were really good...ie people put up with the obstructed view seats and issues with restrooms/concourse/concession stands. To further support this, check out UC bowl travel...it's very good. We took 20K to the OB, 30K to the SB, 15K to the liberty bowl, 12K to the Belk bowl, etc. That is a nice travelling base for a team that "has trouble getting 30K for home games". Once the expansion and upgrades are done you will see a whole different situation at Nippert and UC.

Getting people to go to home games is one thing. I think Cincy's been dismissed for football because they don't travel well, either.

But, I really hope it gets you guys into a better conference. I actually thought UC was more deserving of the ACC bid than UL. UC football kind of monopolized the top of the Big East. Just a shame there's no "oh we beat Florida!" or "we scored on Clemson again" to make a driving point on merit that's already there.

UC travels very well....

Yes, they just don't draw well at home.

Also Melkey,
UConn was at 88% capacity last year, UC was 85%.
We moved a sellout game against VaTech to DC for Money. We have 6 rows of obstructed view seats in between to 20 yard lines. Our percent to capacity is about the same and if VaTech played us at home we would have had a better percent to capacity than UConn. Whatever, just nickel and dime crap. 34-17 UC at the Rent.

(08-13-2013 09:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 09:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Getting people to go to home games is one thing. I think Cincy's been dismissed for football because they don't travel well, either.

Actually, that is completely false. In the Big East, there was WVU then UL and UC were very close to 2nd in terms of the travelling fan base. UC brought 10,000 fans to Birmingham, 20,000 to Miami (didn't completely sell out the allotment because tickets were so cheap through other means online), and is estimated to have had over 30,000 people in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl. The business owners in New Orleans said they thought UC had twice as many fans as Florida there for the weekend.

...and that's just it.

Louisville hasn't exactly dominated the Big East in football like it was suspected they would those years back, but they still draw. Unfortunately for UC, they outdraw them, home or on the road, good season or forgettable. I know the Cards get their games with UK that UC doesn't get with OSU, which may be (or may not be) one of many reasons why Nippert's size isn't reflective of a school with a substantial enrollment (and much bigger than UL), but good or bad season, UL's ability to out/draw in football probably helped make their ACC invitation an easier one to extend with football and basketball school support.

Please don't perceive the original remark as a back-handed compliment. It wasn't...I think very highly of UC athletics and hope they can get better exposure in a conference that will see what potential UC brings with them. Hard to believe that a program that was the victim of a 81-0 defeat some twenty-plus years ago had come around to routinely challenge for the top of a major eastern football conference. THAT's a good program.

(08-14-2013 12:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  ...and that's just it.

Louisville hasn't exactly dominated the Big East in football like it was suspected they would those years back, but they still draw. Unfortunately for UC, they outdraw them, home or on the road, good season or forgettable. I know the Cards get their games with UK that UC doesn't get with OSU, which may be (or may not be) one of many reasons why Nippert's size isn't reflective of a school with a substantial enrollment (and much bigger than UL), but good or bad season, UL's ability to out/draw in football probably helped make their ACC invitation an easier one to extend with football and basketball school support.

Please don't perceive the original remark as a back-handed compliment. It wasn't...I think very highly of UC athletics and hope they can get better exposure in a conference that will see what potential UC brings with them. Hard to believe that a program that was the victim of a 81-0 defeat some twenty-plus years ago had come around to routinely challenge for the top of a major eastern football conference. THAT's a good program.

I don't think anyone is comparing UL and UC here. I have no illusions as to why the ACC chose UL over UC. 2x UC's budget, a brand new state of the art stadium and arena, and a larger fan base made it an easy choice. That doesn't mean that UC can't make positive changes to continue to grow their fan base.

Before the early 2000's UC football was an afterthought because they didn't fund it properly. Therefore the fans went elsewhere, generally Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame. UC is finally keeping its graduates as football fan because they have committed to winning.

(08-14-2013 09:39 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:32 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 09:26 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  When UC played in the Motor City Bowl a few years back, even then they "traveled well". UC was such a lousy football program for oh so many years. My alma mater (Miami-O) used to "own" the Bearcats until the late 80's and then the rivalry turned quite even for the decades of the 1990's and 2000 until 2010, but now with the advantages of the BE affiliation, better facilities and more $$, they have been kicking our "cans" for the last 4-5 years. I'm not a UC fan, but begrudgingly I have to admit that they've come a long way.

Will Cincinnati still play Miami-O if they gain acceptance to a P5 conference?

My bet is probably no, especially if that league is the B12. They'll be trying to line up Louisville instead.

If you guys go to the ACC or Big 12, my guess is no. We've seen the Boise State-Idaho and LSU-Tulane games die out after one team starts having more success than the other team, moves to a new conference, and leaves their rival in the dust. If we're told that we have to play all games at Nippert or our home games at Paul Brown Stadium, there's no chance that we say yes. If we want to get our a** kicked every year we might as well do it against a Big Ten or SEC team that gives us a bigger payday. All of this is mostly a moot point however, the UC-Miami game was recently extended through the 2020 season so unless we get a hefty buyout then it won't really matter much right now.

I don't know how UC fans feel about this, but I hope that we can start playing each other again in basketball. I wouldn't expect a home and home at all, but maybe a 2-1 or 3-1 agreement would be nice to have, we're trying to get more Ohio teams to play us in non-conference play to help spark interest in the program.

I would definitely be for making some kind of 2-1 arrangement with Miami in both football and basketball. I think if we agreed to play an annual series in basketball, Miami would be OK moving to a 2-1 arrangement.

(08-14-2013 10:36 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 03:36 PM)westwolf Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:58 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Will play at PBS in 2014 while renovations are completed:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...wn-stadium

I hope they make it to the Big 12. Not much sympathy for UConn because of lack of fan fervor in the NE, but Cincy seserves better,

How can you make such a statement?

UConn football has outdrawn Cincy by a substantial margin every year that the 2 have been in the Big East together.

Cincy's best year at the gate in that period was in 2010 (35,100). UConn has drawn better than that best year every year but one since they've been in the Big East. And that low year for UConn (34,700) was almost as good as Cincy's best year.

Cincy has had 3 years when they've drawn less than 30,000 (29,100; 22,400; and 20,400) since joining the Big East. Contrast that with UConn peaking at 40,000 and also having seasons close to that at 39,300 and 38,900.

UConn has averaged 38,000 in annual attendance since joining the Big East. Cincy has averaged 29,400. That's a difference of 8600 fans per game.

Thanks for making the case for UConn.

I always laugh when people do this. It is apples and oranges to compare UC attendance with an out of date 35,000 seat stadium with inadequate infrastructure to a brand new stadium.

Now is that situation completely our fault and under our control? Definitely. But just throwing out raw numbers and calling it a good comparison is laughable. I'd be absolutely shocked if UConn has the strictly 'football' fanbase that UC has. UC may be new to the being successful party, but even when we were losing 70-7 or 81-0, we still had fans. Not many mind you, but UC has a significant head start as an FBS program.

Thankfully, they have finally figured out a way to start to fix these issues with the revenue we do have.

(08-14-2013 02:38 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 09:39 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:32 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 09:26 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  When UC played in the Motor City Bowl a few years back, even then they "traveled well". UC was such a lousy football program for oh so many years. My alma mater (Miami-O) used to "own" the Bearcats until the late 80's and then the rivalry turned quite even for the decades of the 1990's and 2000 until 2010, but now with the advantages of the BE affiliation, better facilities and more $$, they have been kicking our "cans" for the last 4-5 years. I'm not a UC fan, but begrudgingly I have to admit that they've come a long way.

Will Cincinnati still play Miami-O if they gain acceptance to a P5 conference?

My bet is probably no, especially if that league is the B12. They'll be trying to line up Louisville instead.

If you guys go to the ACC or Big 12, my guess is no. We've seen the Boise State-Idaho and LSU-Tulane games die out after one team starts having more success than the other team, moves to a new conference, and leaves their rival in the dust. If we're told that we have to play all games at Nippert or our home games at Paul Brown Stadium, there's no chance that we say yes. If we want to get our a** kicked every year we might as well do it against a Big Ten or SEC team that gives us a bigger payday. All of this is mostly a moot point however, the UC-Miami game was recently extended through the 2020 season so unless we get a hefty buyout then it won't really matter much right now.

I don't know how UC fans feel about this, but I hope that we can start playing each other again in basketball. I wouldn't expect a home and home at all, but maybe a 2-1 or 3-1 agreement would be nice to have, we're trying to get more Ohio teams to play us in non-conference play to help spark interest in the program.

I would definitely be for making some kind of 2-1 arrangement with Miami in both football and basketball. I think if we agreed to play an annual series in basketball, Miami would be OK moving to a 2-1 arrangement.

I honestly don't think we'd agree to a 2-1 series for football, there's too much pride at Miami to concede 'defeat' for that kind of scheduling agreement. There's so much history between the two of us that I think it's either H-H or nothing; keep in mind that we still hold a narrow edge on UC for the whole series.

Basketball however is another story, we're on the lower end of the mid-majors while UC is regularly a contender at the national level. We'll take anything we can get to help generate fan interest, whereas UC doesn't have much incentive to play us besides the football relationship and location.

I think UC has played at Oxford maybe 2 times over the last 20 years.
Better to just go Downtown to US Bank and play there. Mick isn't going to
play at Miami.

I'd be completely cool with moving the football games to PBS. Each school sells seats through their ticket office and holds all that revenue, and any gameday walkups are split evenly at the gate.

I wouldn't mind playing Miami in bball....not at millet hall but at us bank. It's good for local fans and it sure better than playing some of the BS low major teams we have been playing the past few years.

Excellent to see UC building for the future. I certainly hope that if the ACC ever expands that Cincy is at the top of the list because IMO they have the highest ceiling of realistic candidates in that they bring a basketball pedigree and a huge football upside whereas UConn brings a basketball pedigree and zero football upside. I don't think the limited capacity of Nippert would be used against you since PBS is available for marquee games.

Good luck to the Bearcats!