WVU has gone through rebuilding before. RR had to rebuild after Nehlen's teams took a downturn. If you remember, he went 3-9 in his first season. Holgorsen has yet to have a losing season. Although that could happen this season, if they don't get the QB situation settled...

(08-12-2013 02:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Bielema might not be able to meet expectations there, but do they have realistic expectations? The Hogs have only three 10-win seasons out of 21 since joining the SEC, and only six seasons in which they won 5 or more conference games.

That. Tenny has some serious debt in the athletic department that will hinder Butch getting anything done. If he can weather that, that's great. Pigfan needs to check themselves. Bielema will be fine, too. If silly expectations don't get him first.

(08-12-2013 03:17 PM)goofus Wrote:  I would nominate Minnesota's coach jerry kill. The guy has a medical condition that is not ideal for the high stress position of being a coach for an underdog big ten football program. Its up to him if he wants to keep coaching but I am just not sure it is the best thing gor his health.
same with urban meyer. What was the deal with his health?
And didn't mark dantonio recently have a heart attack?
On other notes, mike leach, charlie weis, and hawaii's coach norm chow all seem over their heads.

You may have missed the meaning of "over their heads". Chow, I can agree with. Never have been high on him. Leach? Weis? You see what they have had to dig out of? At least Wazzu cares with their facility upgrades. Weis just got blessed with Turner Gill's laughably bad recruiting classes to build from.

(08-13-2013 07:47 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Coaches I think get fired after the season:

Army: Rich Ellerson

Buffalo: Jeff Quinn

Eastern Michigan: Ron English

Illinois: Tim Beckman

Miami-OH: Don Treadwell

Missouri: Gary Pinkel

UConn: Paul Pasqualoni

UNLV: Bobby Hauck

I don't think Ellerson is in over his head such much as an inability to compete. It's hard to recruit talent when you're major selling point is that upon graduation you'll spent the next 5 years of your life embroiled in the modern day equivalent of Vietnam.

The other thing is that West Point really doesn't place a lot of emphasis on winning as they do in putting out officers. Maybe the new Supe they have (I think a new one came in) will think of the program as more than an afterthought. Air Force is a mess these days, too. Looking at their forum, it's looking like Troy Calhoun's seat is quite hot. Rumblings of D1-AA being a better fit and how nothing has really moved upwards since Fisher DeBerry's recruits moved on.

(09-22-2013 11:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The Tigers got pretty depleted after their 2010 championship. Given the talent level on the team, especially after the discipline cases under Chiz were dismissed, I'd say Gus has done just fine.

True enough. Gus is doing about as well as one can realistically expect. If anyone has read up on the country club atmosphere that was "Allbarn" when Cam and Co. rolled on in, bowl eligibility this soon is a near miracle.




Anyway, I guess the point of the thread was "Who inherited the keys to a Ferrari and wrecked it?" rather than "Who inherited a 1989 Yugo and failed to turn it into a Mercedes?"


Lane Kiffin?

Cal probably doesn't have much of an excuse to be so-so, either. Minny is the big school up there, so them, too. If NDSU lets them.

You'll probably have to add PJ Fleck at Western Michigan. Played respectably in a couple losses to better teams but then lost to a really bad Nicholls State team at home, and then lost to Iowa 59-3.

(08-12-2013 09:31 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 09:18 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Anyone coaching at Vanderbilt, Duke, Minnesota, Iowa State, Mississippi State, Tulane, Memphis, or anywhere else with an ingrained, losing culture.

Not always. Like James Franklin is in over his head? Dan Mullen? Of course not.

James Franklin may not have a job in the very near future and Vandy may very well face substantial sanctions. That counts as being in over one's head to me.

(08-13-2013 12:15 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 10:50 PM)nuftw Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 10:44 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  Some places are going to only get tougher as the years go by; Syracuse, WVU, all three Mississippi schools and select B10 schools such as Illinois are all going to suffer as populations shift and economies change.

Not to pile on, but in terms of population Illinois has it about as good as anyone- 5th largest state, top half in terms of absolute growth and very little in state competition (Northwestern recruits disproportionately out of state, and Illinois shouldn't lose recruits to NIU).

If you're looking for demographic doom, my money is on Michigan State, the second tier school in a shrinking state.

EDIT: PirateMarv types faster than I do. This Dvorak experiment I've been trying hasn't been a success so far.

I had to look up "Dvorak"; I was about to ask you where I could get some of it, as I have trouble sleeping.

Guys, I was not taking shots at anyone, but much of the Rust Belt is in bad shape.

Illinois... GOOD GOD. Your state will be lucky to make it through the next 10 years without having it's own personal Detroit-like moment. I like Chicago and have been there many times but one does have to wonder for how long any mirage of fiscal stability can exist.

I still need to look up Upstate NY's economic info; I would be willing to bet that individual wealth, along with living standards have decreased at a greater rate than those in other parts of the nation. It's true that we're all in this boat together (the recession boat and YES, we are still in a recession or at the very least we are stagnant) but other parts of the nation (see North Dakota and Texas for examples) are not suffering nearly as bad. NC is not suffering nearly as bad, either (although it surely is not easy here either).

Regarding BC: I clearly remember watching the Flutie pass... and have been a fan ever since. I simply fear that although Boston is not holding you back, fan's expectations and the schools academic profile might. I could say the same about Syracuse.

Upstate NY's economy is terrible, but the school is private, so we aren't dependent on state funds and we generally recruit out of cities like NYC, Philly, Boston, Pittsburgh, and DC, and they aren't going anywhere. Furthermore, one of the HUGE benefits of being in the ACC is that it gives us an athletic and academic presence in a growing area of the country.

(08-12-2013 08:21 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'll go with Gus Malzahn. Seems to me he hasn't really proven anything and then throw in Bama. He's in for a rough ride.

Well I guess I should publicaly apologize to Coach Malzahn.

(08-12-2013 12:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Coaches I think get fired after the season:

Army: Rich Ellerson

Buffalo: Jeff Quinn

Eastern Michigan: Ron English

Illinois: Tim Beckman

Miami-OH: Don Treadwell

Missouri: Gary Pinkel

UConn: Paul Pasqualoni

UNLV: Bobby Hauck

So far, you've got three right (English, Treadwell, and Pasqualoni), two more probable (Beckman, Hauck), and two wrong (Pinkel, Quinn). Not bad.

Oh and I called Lane Kiffin before anyone else did.

Southern Miss coach Todd Monken

(08-12-2013 12:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  UNLV: Bobby Hauck

Why Bobby Hauck? They have a chance to go to a Bowl, which is a huge rarity for UNLV

(11-15-2013 02:44 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 12:06 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Coaches I think get fired after the season:

Army: Rich Ellerson

Buffalo: Jeff Quinn

Eastern Michigan: Ron English

Illinois: Tim Beckman

Miami-OH: Don Treadwell

Missouri: Gary Pinkel

UConn: Paul Pasqualoni

UNLV: Bobby Hauck

So far, you've got three right (English, Treadwell, and Pasqualoni), two more probable (Beckman, Hauck), and two wrong (Pinkel, Quinn). Not bad.

Oh and I called Lane Kiffin before anyone else did.

Sorry CB but Kiffin's mom called it at his birth. He is simply genetically flawed.

(11-15-2013 02:52 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Southern Miss coach Todd Monken

Southern Miss' firing of Jeff Bower has to be one of the biggest coaching blunders of recent memory.

Agree, Jeff Bower was an excellent coach and SM grad that loved SM. Sm earned the bad karma!

(08-12-2013 08:21 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'll go with Gus Malzahn. Seems to me he hasn't really proven anything and then throw in Bama. He's in for a rough ride.

Isn't Auburn 9-1?
I think the only loss was to a strong LSU team, right?
Looks like Gus has got it goin' to me.

(11-15-2013 04:09 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 08:21 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'll go with Gus Malzahn. Seems to me he hasn't really proven anything and then throw in Bama. He's in for a rough ride.

Isn't Auburn 9-1?
I think the only loss was to a strong LSU team, right?
Looks like Gus has got it goin' to me.

I posted that I was wrong on page 7.

(11-15-2013 05:19 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:09 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 08:21 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'll go with Gus Malzahn. Seems to me he hasn't really proven anything and then throw in Bama. He's in for a rough ride.

Isn't Auburn 9-1?
I think the only loss was to a strong LSU team, right?
Looks like Gus has got it goin' to me.

I posted that I was wrong on page 7.

My bad. I'm old and slow.

Muschamp is in over his head. He's taking the team backwards.

Freeze is another one. His coaching has lost them multiple games and put them in bad spots in others.

(11-15-2013 05:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 05:19 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:09 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 08:21 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'll go with Gus Malzahn. Seems to me he hasn't really proven anything and then throw in Bama. He's in for a rough ride.

Isn't Auburn 9-1?
I think the only loss was to a strong LSU team, right?
Looks like Gus has got it goin' to me.

I posted that I was wrong on page 7.

My bad. I'm old and slow.

How old is old? I'm 69.

(08-12-2013 02:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:45 PM)Billy Free Wrote:  Butch Jones at Tennessee and Bret Bielema at Arkansas. They are about to find out it is a different culture in the SEC. 8-4 or 7-5 is not going to cut it.

Bret Bielema at Arkansas. Those Arkansas fans paid good money and expect 10 or more win seasons. They're not going to get it this year or probably next year either. Bret is way over his head.

Good call, absolutely. Bielema seems totally clueless about the SEC; it's a total culture shock to him. He complains about something new every week. Spread offenses in the league. The Auburn game film a couple weeks ago. And last week it was the hotel situation in Oxford, Mississippi, and how his team had to stay far away and wake up early to bus to the stadium on gameday.

Bielema wants to bring a power running game to Arkansas, but to do that in the SEC he'll have to recruit on Saban-esque levels, which I don't think he can do. Not to mention though everyone acts like Bielema was responsible for Wisconsin's offensive prowess the last few years, it was actually Paul Chryst running the offense. Bielema had nothing to do with it.

(11-16-2013 12:04 AM)moo Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 02:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-12-2013 01:45 PM)Billy Free Wrote:  Butch Jones at Tennessee and Bret Bielema at Arkansas. They are about to find out it is a different culture in the SEC. 8-4 or 7-5 is not going to cut it.

Bret Bielema at Arkansas. Those Arkansas fans paid good money and expect 10 or more win seasons. They're not going to get it this year or probably next year either. Bret is way over his head.

Good call, absolutely. Bielema seems totally clueless about the SEC; it's a total culture shock to him. He complains about something new every week. Spread offenses in the league. The Auburn game film a couple weeks ago. And last week it was the hotel situation in Oxford, Mississippi, and how his team had to stay far away and wake up early to bus to the stadium on gameday.

Bielema wants to bring a power running game to Arkansas, but to do that in the SEC he'll have to recruit on Saban-esque levels, which I don't think he can do. Not to mention though everyone acts like Bielema was responsible for Wisconsin's offensive prowess the last few years, it was actually Paul Chryst running the offense. Bielema had nothing to do with it.

My personal opinion is that Wisconsin got an upgrade out of the whole deal.

Jerry Kill's situation at Minnesota has had an interesting twist. Minnesota has gone on a 4 game winning streak since Kill first took a leave of absense and later confined himself to the press box during games. IF I was Minny's AD, I honestly would not know what to do. There is no possible way Kill could or should be fired now.

But it is still not clear if it is in his own best interest. I guess its up to Kill himself now to decide.