(08-11-2013 11:46 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-10-2013 05:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  CUSA needs to get with either the MAC, Sunbelt, or MW and create a second bowl in San Antonio. If that doesn't work---stick the game in San Marcos. Its has a 35K stadium and is situated between San Antonio and Austin. Its about a 30 minutes to either city.

The problem with CUSA is that they have six bowl tie ins. Of the teams playing in their conference in 2014, exactly four qualified for bowls (Rice, MTSU, La Tech, and WKU).

Actually, CUSA doesn't officially have ANY tie-ins. Other than the AAC's Military Bowl tie, none of the G-5 officially have any bowl ties. Any G-5 bowl tie beyond 2013 (other than the Military bowl) is simply conjecture at this point. Yes, its true that many of the bowls currently held by G-5 conferences will be retained--but a number will not.

Realistically, CUSA probably has the following slots

Heart of Dallas (virtual lock)
Beef O'Brady (partial tie, CUSA 4yrs/ACC 2yrs)
New Mexico
Boca Raton (if the bowl comes to fruition).


Beyond that, who knows? Of their existing bowls, the Military is already gone. Its very possible New Orleans, Armed Forces Bowl, and possibly Hawaii are also gone. So its very presumptuous to assume that CUSA already has 6 bowl ties.

To be clear, CUSA has little to worry about because they could easily get Little Rock, Little Ceasars (assuming they relocate or Lions stadium double hosts), or the proposed Charleston Bowl if they wish---which would get them ties to 5 or 6 bowls (depending on how Boca turns out).

(08-11-2013 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-11-2013 11:46 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-10-2013 05:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  CUSA needs to get with either the MAC, Sunbelt, or MW and create a second bowl in San Antonio. If that doesn't work---stick the game in San Marcos. Its has a 35K stadium and is situated between San Antonio and Austin. Its about a 30 minutes to either city.

The problem with CUSA is that they have six bowl tie ins. Of the teams playing in their conference in 2014, exactly four qualified for bowls (Rice, MTSU, La Tech, and WKU).

Actually, CUSA doesn't officially have ANY tie-ins. Other than the AAC's Military Bowl tie, none of the G-5 officially have any bowl ties. Any G-5 bowl tie beyond 2013 (other than the Military bowl) is simply conjecture at this point. Yes, its true that many of the bowls currently held by G-5 conferences will be retained--but a number will not.

Realistically, CUSA probably has the following slots

Heart of Dallas (virtual lock)
Beef (partial tie, CUSA 4yrs/ACC 2yrs)
New Mexico
Boca Raton (if the bowl comes to fruition).


Beyond that, who knows? Of their existing bowls, the Military is already gone. Its very possible New Orleans, Armed Forces Bowl, and possibly Hawaii are also gone. So its very presumptuous to assume that CUSA already has 6 bowl ties.

To be clear, CUSA has little to worry about because they could easily get Little Rock, Little Ceasars (assuming they relocate or Lions stadium double hosts), or the proposed Charleston Bowl if they wish---which would get them ties to 5 or 6 bowls (depending on how Boca turns out).

Fixed it for you.

I wrote something about how far the different schools are from Charleston and the game:

http://carolinasportsthoughts.blogspot.c...eston.html

(08-11-2013 03:23 PM)SApuro Wrote:  

(08-11-2013 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-11-2013 11:46 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-10-2013 05:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  CUSA needs to get with either the MAC, Sunbelt, or MW and create a second bowl in San Antonio. If that doesn't work---stick the game in San Marcos. Its has a 35K stadium and is situated between San Antonio and Austin. Its about a 30 minutes to either city.

The problem with CUSA is that they have six bowl tie ins. Of the teams playing in their conference in 2014, exactly four qualified for bowls (Rice, MTSU, La Tech, and WKU).

Actually, CUSA doesn't officially have ANY tie-ins. Other than the AAC's Military Bowl tie, none of the G-5 officially have any bowl ties. Any G-5 bowl tie beyond 2013 (other than the Military bowl) is simply conjecture at this point. Yes, its true that many of the bowls currently held by G-5 conferences will be retained--but a number will not.

Realistically, CUSA probably has the following slots

Heart of Dallas (virtual lock)
Beef (partial tie, CUSA 4yrs/ACC 2yrs)
New Mexico
Boca Raton (if the bowl comes to fruition).


Beyond that, who knows? Of their existing bowls, the Military is already gone. Its very possible New Orleans, Armed Forces Bowl, and possibly Hawaii are also gone. So its very presumptuous to assume that CUSA already has 6 bowl ties.

To be clear, CUSA has little to worry about because they could easily get Little Rock, Little Ceasars (assuming they relocate or Lions stadium double hosts), or the proposed Charleston Bowl if they wish---which would get them ties to 5 or 6 bowls (depending on how Boca turns out).

Fixed it for you.

lol. Need more coffee. At least you knew what I meant. Went back and fixed the original post.

This was an update in the Sunday paper, just telling people about the controversy.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20...source=RSS

Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

The west stands of Johnson Hagood Stadium were completely renovated a few years back. The east stands need a little work, but I don't think an increase in seats is the goal of the people trying to put this together.

The idea that the two conferences would essentially certify the game is interesting, and would give the NCAA an "out", because otherwise the organization is going to look even worse than usual. That's because it sanctioned the Pioneer Bowl, a bowl game between two D-2 HBCU conferences that was played in Columbia in both 2007 and 2009.

The NCAA let the CIAA and SIAC do what they wanted back then. No reason not to let the MAC and Sun Belt do the same now.

Yes, it would be another MAC-SBC bowl game.

And no, The Citadel is not interested in moving up to FBS, though the thought is amusing.

(08-20-2013 05:41 AM)andy76 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

Would you prefer sitting at home at 8-4 or 9-3?

This is the new reality. No one wants to play anyone they perceive as below them because they know what the odds are of losing in a pairing of two quality teams. Lose and you can't brag how superior you are.

(08-20-2013 05:41 AM)andy76 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

With the Sun Belt gaining App State, Ga Southern, and Ga State it's likely that it will be a Sun Belt tie in. And I would not be surprised if it was against CUSA.

(08-20-2013 08:37 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:41 AM)andy76 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

With the Sun Belt gaining App State, Ga Southern, and Ga State it's likely that it will be a Sun Belt tie in. And I would not be surprised if it was against CUSA.

Fine with me. Any pairing of Charlotte vs App State, Ga. State, or Ga. Southern would be a really good draw in Charleston.

There are few places better to spend a weekend than Charleston, SC.

(08-20-2013 08:37 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:41 AM)andy76 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

With the Sun Belt gaining App State, Ga Southern, and Ga State it's likely that it will be a Sun Belt tie in. And I would not be surprised if it was against CUSA.

Interesting thought. Sort of a replacement for the Military Bowl for CUSA eastern members.

An article that was in today's Charleston paper, but posted on Monday:

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20...omery-bowl

(08-20-2013 05:41 AM)andy76 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

I believe this bowl, even if certified by MAC and Sun Belt, would be part of a bowl pool type deal where the MAC and SBC wouldn't necessarily play each other in it just because they are tied to it. Could be linked to Roca, Bahamas, Boise, New Orleans bowls.

(08-20-2013 08:51 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 08:37 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:41 AM)andy76 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

With the Sun Belt gaining App State, Ga Southern, and Ga State it's likely that it will be a Sun Belt tie in. And I would not be surprised if it was against CUSA.

Fine with me. Any pairing featuring App State or Ga. Southern would be a really good draw in Charleston.

There are few places better to spend a weekend than Charleston, SC.

Fixed it for you.

Seriously, if the much rumored possible JMU move happens, that's six new FBS teams from the two conferences within a short distance from Charleston. It just makes too much sense. Odds are at least one of those teams would be eligible within a year or two of starting this thing up.

(08-20-2013 08:51 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 08:37 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:41 AM)andy76 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

With the Sun Belt gaining App State, Ga Southern, and Ga State it's likely that it will be a Sun Belt tie in. And I would not be surprised if it was against CUSA.

Fine with me. Any pairing of Charlotte vs App State, Ga. State, or Ga. Southern would be a really good draw in Charleston.

There are few places better to spend a weekend than Charleston, SC.

I think a matchup like Georgia Southern vs UNCC would actually be interesting.

(08-20-2013 05:13 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:41 AM)andy76 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

I believe this bowl, even if certified by MAC and Sun Belt, would be part of a bowl pool type deal where the MAC and SBC wouldn't necessarily play each other in it just because they are tied to it. Could be linked to Roca, Bahamas, Boise, New Orleans bowls.

I believe the bowl pool is D.O.A with ESPN coming into the picture and purchasing some of these new bowls.

ESPN's version of the bowl pool has more to do with accommodating BYU out west by freeing up Hawaii and Las Vegas one year out of 6. Then the MWC gets a chance to take a spot in St. Pete and the Armed Forces.

(08-20-2013 08:51 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:13 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:41 AM)andy76 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

I believe this bowl, even if certified by MAC and Sun Belt, would be part of a bowl pool type deal where the MAC and SBC wouldn't necessarily play each other in it just because they are tied to it. Could be linked to Roca, Bahamas, Boise, New Orleans bowls.

I believe the bowl pool is D.O.A with ESPN coming into the picture and purchasing some of these new bowls.

ESPN's version of the bowl pool has more to do with accommodating BYU out west by freeing up Hawaii and Las Vegas one year out of 6. Then the MWC gets a chance to take a spot in St. Pete and the Armed Forces.

Actually ESPN stepping in makes a quasi-pool more likely. ESPN will run nearly a third of the bowls.

If you are the New Mexico Bowl facing San Jose State vs. an eastern CUSA, say UAB and you want to take New Mexico State out of the Sun Belt you have to accommodate one of those teams. That can be hard to do dealing with another bowl committee. But if you are ESPN and you also have Montgomery you just swap that Sun Belt pick to New Mexico and that CUSA pick to Montgomery.

(08-20-2013 10:24 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 08:51 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:13 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 05:41 AM)andy76 Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

@Jeff_fromthePC

Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

I believe this bowl, even if certified by MAC and Sun Belt, would be part of a bowl pool type deal where the MAC and SBC wouldn't necessarily play each other in it just because they are tied to it. Could be linked to Roca, Bahamas, Boise, New Orleans bowls.

I believe the bowl pool is D.O.A with ESPN coming into the picture and purchasing some of these new bowls.

ESPN's version of the bowl pool has more to do with accommodating BYU out west by freeing up Hawaii and Las Vegas one year out of 6. Then the MWC gets a chance to take a spot in St. Pete and the Armed Forces.

Actually ESPN stepping in makes a quasi-pool more likely. ESPN will run nearly a third of the bowls.

If you are the New Mexico Bowl facing San Jose State vs. an eastern CUSA, say UAB and you want to take New Mexico State out of the Sun Belt you have to accommodate one of those teams. That can be hard to do dealing with another bowl committee. But if you are ESPN and you also have Montgomery you just swap that Sun Belt pick to New Mexico and that CUSA pick to Montgomery.

The worst thing about how the bowls have worked out for the ACC is the western quad of schools is going to be completely cut off from any nearby bowls. Houston, Tulsa, SMU, and Tulane are hosed. The nearest bowl will be Birminghaam, 600 miles away. Lol...the next closest is Florida.

NCAA ruling on Charleston bowl game expected by Friday



Supporters of the game, including state legislators and business leaders, have contacted the NCAA over the last week to ask for approval of the game.

Legends Bowl organizers see a couple of chinks in the NCAA’s moratorium — the fact that the Division II Pioneer Bowl was allowed to take place in Columbia in 2007 and 2009, and the fact that the NCAA bowl licensing committee will no longer exist after 2013.

“If they aren’t licensing bowls after 2013, why is their nose in this one?” asked Jerry Ippoliti, former MAC commissioner and one of the bowl’s organizers.”
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http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20...e-upcoming