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Quote:At Tuesday’s meeting, the Rev. Nelson Rivers III, a vice president of the NAACP, made it clear that his group would not make an exception to its economic boycott of the state in order to support the bowl game.

“When the General Assembly takes the flag down,” he said, “you will have our support for as many bowl games as you want.”

After the meeting, Nelson Rivers said the state NAACP has had no indication that the NCAA is wavering on the moratorium.

“We’ve asked the NCAA to enforce the moratorium, and they have said they will,” he said. “And we have no reason to doubt that.”

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20...e-upcoming

Charleston continues to sound like a non-starter.
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RE: Charleston looking at new MAC-Sunbelt bowl
(08-20-2013 10:24 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
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(08-19-2013 06:21 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Jeff Hartsell, Citadel writer for the Charleston newspaper said this today:

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Montgomery's new "Camellia Bowl" is the game that forced Legends Bowl to seek new home in Charleston. Organizers still hopeful; meeting Wed

Please don't tell me its going to be another MAC verses Sun Belt game.

I believe this bowl, even if certified by MAC and Sun Belt, would be part of a bowl pool type deal where the MAC and SBC wouldn't necessarily play each other in it just because they are tied to it. Could be linked to Roca, Bahamas, Boise, New Orleans bowls.

I believe the bowl pool is D.O.A with ESPN coming into the picture and purchasing some of these new bowls.

ESPN's version of the bowl pool has more to do with accommodating BYU out west by freeing up Hawaii and Las Vegas one year out of 6. Then the MWC gets a chance to take a spot in St. Pete and the Armed Forces.

Actually ESPN stepping in makes a quasi-pool more likely. ESPN will run nearly a third of the bowls.

If you are the New Mexico Bowl facing San Jose State vs. an eastern CUSA, say UAB and you want to take New Mexico State out of the Sun Belt you have to accommodate one of those teams. That can be hard to do dealing with another bowl committee. But if you are ESPN and you also have Montgomery you just swap that Sun Belt pick to New Mexico and that CUSA pick to Montgomery.

I'll believe it when I see it for primary games.

In the past its happened with secondary agreements but nobody wants to give up their primary contracted tie-ins.
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No one will lose their deals. ESPN will just trade among the bowls and which G5 commissioner is going to stomp his foot and slam his fist on the table tell ESPN "Hell NO! You aren't moving our team!"
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(08-21-2013 01:33 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Charleston continues to sound like a non-starter.

You may be right, but it's going to take some Houdini-like wriggling (and a spectacular dose of hypocrisy) for the NCAA to justify its position on this one.
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An update. After the Confederate flag was taken down, there have been thoughts of changing the Medal of Honor Bowl format to a bowl game from an all-star game. Rumors include a MAC-Sun Belt or a C-USA-Sun Belt game.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20...tar-format
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(08-11-2013 08:03 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
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(08-10-2013 11:19 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Details

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Sounds like the MAC is shopping the LCPB certification around since the B-10 and ACC took over Detroit at the lions Stadium for their new Detroit Bowl. I would think the MAC would want to keep their certified bowl up north in Indianapolis or St. Louis in a dome stadium near their fans which have attended the Pizza Bowl with 30 to 40k numbers where they can commute to the game. Maybe they can't broker a deal with those stadiums though. Any thoughts or answers on that from MAC members in the know. 07-coffee3

Not in the know, but a good guess: Without the Big Ten tie in, the NFL stadiums aren't returning the MAC's/LCPB's calls. (Theory: the economics only works for the stadium if there's a Big Ten team swinging through every three or four years?)

MAC teams have trouble getting 30,000 to come to home games. So getting 30,000 to come to Detroit or Indianapolis is a stretch. If folks in Ohio or Michigan are leaving their metro area for a football game and driving a couple hours in the snow, maybe they're just as likely to drive 11 hours from Muncie IN to Charleston SC as they are to drive 3.5 hours to Detroit.

Meanwhile Sun Belt teams have trouble getting 30,000 to come to home games as well (yes, yes, hail Arky State, go ULaLa). Bowl game road trips are a lot less fun when you're going from nice weather to nasty weather.

The LCPB regularly had way over 30,000, and rarely had a Big 10 team in it. I think it's dead though, as Ford Field ditched the MAC to hold a Big Whatever bowl game there instead. I suppose they need to money to fix up the burned out skyscrapers near Ford Field.
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(08-26-2015 04:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The LCPB regularly had way over 30,000, and rarely had a Big 10 team in it. I think it's dead though, as Ford Field ditched the MAC to hold a Big Whatever bowl game there instead. I suppose they need to money to fix up the burned out skyscrapers near Ford Field.
Though its the bottom of the laddder bowl for both the ACC and the Big Ten, with the MAC as the secondary tie-in, so it could well end up with as many MAC vs P5 games as when it was a supposed to be a MAC vs Big Ten bowl.

(08-11-2013 08:03 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  MAC teams have trouble getting 30,000 to come to home games. So getting 30,000 to come to Detroit or Indianapolis is a stretch. If folks in Ohio or Michigan are leaving their metro area for a football game and driving a couple hours in the snow, maybe they're just as likely to drive 11 hours from Muncie IN to Charleston SC as they are to drive 3.5 hours to Detroit.
The formula for the bigger turnouts in the LCPB was MAC supporters getting excited about playing a Big Ten school on a neutral field and a Big Ten school close enough to turn out a number of their own.

Just like the CMU home game with 35,000+ was when MSU came to town (in their 3-1's with the MI MAC schools, not to be repeated now that the Big Ten is moving to 9 conference games).

The new Detroit Bowl has that ... or a game against a more northerly "new ACC" team ... as the backstop to a game between a mediocre Big Ten school and a mediocre "new ACC" team.

Which makes it more attractive to play a bowl game in somewhere that is an appealing getaway in a stadium that doesn't look empty even if the turn-out is well south of 30,000.
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Charleston's stadium seats 21K with maybe some chance for temp seating to get to 25K or so.

Get the right Sun Belt team (Georgia Southern, App, or Coastal if they join the league), they can bring 8-10K.

If you get the MAC in the game, the OH schools will travel. Some of those schools have hundreds of alumni here. They will travel down here for a game in late Dec-early Jan.

Conference USA may be tougher, but you have fan bases like Marshall which travel very well. If Charlotte ever gets good, they'll bring a lot of folks. Back in the old days of the SoCon, when App, Georgia Southern, and Marshall were in the league, they'd bring thousands to Charleston for games.

Even though The Citadel hasn't made the playoffs since 1992 and only had 6 seasons of 6 or more wins since, they still average 9,500+ a game. That's with every SoCon team other than Furman/Wofford bringing a couple hundred fans a game.

Get an AAC bid, let alone an ACC and/or SEC, and the game could be a license to print money.
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I would go to Charleston to watch the Pirates play.
ECU / GA Southern bowl game would be fun and sold out.
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I know, I know, you can't un-ring a bell, but this is a classic example of why I wish not all bowls were pegged to conferences. A bowl in Charleston could sell out with the right combination of teams, but the available combinations are going to be limited because they'll be obligated to two conferences.

In other words: If they could pick two Southern teams for a bowl from the Sun Belt, AAC, CUSA or even a .500 ACC/SEC team, they'd hang the standing room only-signs out in a matter of days, I'd reckon. But if they're committed to, say, a Sun Belt-CUSA matchup, that limits the good fits, because now you can't have East Carolina or Wake Forest or whoever. And if the chips don't fall into place, you might end up with a Texas State or Louisiana Tech, whose fans aren't as likely to make the trip.
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(08-26-2015 04:52 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(08-26-2015 04:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The LCPB regularly had way over 30,000, and rarely had a Big 10 team in it. I think it's dead though, as Ford Field ditched the MAC to hold a Big Whatever bowl game there instead. I suppose they need to money to fix up the burned out skyscrapers near Ford Field.
Though its the bottom of the laddder bowl for both the ACC and the Big Ten, with the MAC as the secondary tie-in, so it could well end up with as many MAC vs P5 games as when it was a supposed to be a MAC vs Big Ten bowl.

(08-11-2013 08:03 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  MAC teams have trouble getting 30,000 to come to home games. So getting 30,000 to come to Detroit or Indianapolis is a stretch. If folks in Ohio or Michigan are leaving their metro area for a football game and driving a couple hours in the snow, maybe they're just as likely to drive 11 hours from Muncie IN to Charleston SC as they are to drive 3.5 hours to Detroit.
The formula for the bigger turnouts in the LCPB was MAC supporters getting excited about playing a Big Ten school on a neutral field and a Big Ten school close enough to turn out a number of their own.

Just like the CMU home game with 35,000+ was when MSU came to town (in their 3-1's with the MI MAC schools, not to be repeated now that the Big Ten is moving to 9 conference games).

The new Detroit Bowl has that ... or a game against a more northerly "new ACC" team ... as the backstop to a game between a mediocre Big Ten school and a mediocre "new ACC" team.

Which makes it more attractive to play a bowl game in somewhere that is an appealing getaway in a stadium that doesn't look empty even if the turn-out is well south of 30,000.

Only twice was there a Big 10 team in the LCPB. Most years (except the last 2) the attendance was over 30K without a Greedy5 team in it.
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(08-26-2015 06:02 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I would go to Charleston to watch the Pirates play.
ECU / GA Southern bowl game would be fun and sold out.

I agree for that match-up a 21,000 seat stadium would sell out quickly in fact you probably could fill a stadium twice that size if Charleston had one.
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Another local rumor in town is a ACC-Sun Belt game. This was a local sportscaster on Twitter.

@DarenStoltzfus: Sports4 told Medal of Honor bowl shifting to a postseason bowl - possibly ACC/Sun Belt showdown. First game December 2016. No bowl game this year. Sport4 told as part of new Medal of Honor Bowl (name not confirmed) state of SC will help foot bill for Johnson Hagood renovations.
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(08-26-2015 06:25 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I know, I know, you can't un-ring a bell, but this is a classic example of why I wish not all bowls were pegged to conferences. A bowl in Charleston could sell out with the right combination of teams, but the available combinations are going to be limited because they'll be obligated to two conferences.

In other words: If they could pick two Southern teams for a bowl from the Sun Belt, AAC, CUSA or even a .500 ACC/SEC team, they'd hang the standing room only-signs out in a matter of days, I'd reckon. But if they're committed to, say, a Sun Belt-CUSA matchup, that limits the good fits, because now you can't have East Carolina or Wake Forest or whoever. And if the chips don't fall into place, you might end up with a Texas State or Louisiana Tech, whose fans aren't as likely to make the trip.

All you need is X number of bowls and a combination of conferences agreeing to provide X*2 schools and create a selection order rotation. As long as the leagues get their guaranteed number of teams in shouldn't be a real problem (not that it will stop anyone complaining).

Let the bowls consult with their TV partner to pick match-ups based on the selection order.
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(08-26-2015 06:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Only twice was there a Big 10 team in the LCPB. Most years (except the last 2) the attendance was over 30K without a Greedy5 team in it.
Actually the latter is not correct, since prior to the collapse of the old Big Least, it was a Greedy6 as the AQ conferences, and between '97 and '06, there was an AQ/P5 school in it more often than not, 9 vs 8 ~ the median attendance was 45K, BC vs Toledo, and 5 out of 8 of the games above 45K had an AQ conference school in it.

Indeed, the former is not precisely correct ~ only two Big Ten teams played in the Motor City Bowl / LCPB, Northwestern and Purdue, but Purdue appeared twice, so that is three times there was a Big 10 team in the MCB/LCPB.

But there was a strong downward trend to attendance ... of all the games since 2008, only 2011 (Purdue vs WMU, 46K) had above median attendance ... 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012 and 2013 were all below median attendance.
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(08-26-2015 08:04 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Another local rumor in town is a ACC-Sun Belt game. This was a local sportscaster on Twitter.

@DarenStoltzfus: Sports4 told Medal of Honor bowl shifting to a postseason bowl - possibly ACC/Sun Belt showdown. First game December 2016. No bowl game this year. Sport4 told as part of new Medal of Honor Bowl (name not confirmed) state of SC will help foot bill for Johnson Hagood renovations.

I think that would have to be a typo. He probably meant to type AAC/Sun Belt.
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(08-26-2015 08:04 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Another local rumor in town is a ACC-Sun Belt game. This was a local sportscaster on Twitter.

@DarenStoltzfus: Sports4 told Medal of Honor bowl shifting to a postseason bowl - possibly ACC/Sun Belt showdown. First game December 2016. No bowl game this year. Sport4 told as part of new Medal of Honor Bowl (name not confirmed) state of SC will help foot bill for Johnson Hagood renovations.

I think that would have to be a typo. He probably meant to type AAC/Sun Belt.

And you would be wrong.

AAC is overbooked as is and needs western not eastern bowl games.

ACC was talking to MAC about a game in St. Louis, they'd like to have at least one more tie.
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(08-26-2015 10:56 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(08-26-2015 06:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Only twice was there a Big 10 team in the LCPB. Most years (except the last 2) the attendance was over 30K without a Greedy5 team in it.
Actually the latter is not correct, since prior to the collapse of the old Big Least, it was a Greedy6 as the AQ conferences, and between '97 and '06, there was an AQ/P5 school in it more often than not, 9 vs 8 ~ the median attendance was 45K, BC vs Toledo, and 5 out of 8 of the games above 45K had an AQ conference school in it.

Indeed, the former is not precisely correct ~ only two Big Ten teams played in the Motor City Bowl / LCPB, Northwestern and Purdue, but Purdue appeared twice, so that is three times there was a Big 10 team in the MCB/LCPB.

But there was a strong downward trend to attendance ... of all the games since 2008, only 2011 (Purdue vs WMU, 46K) had above median attendance ... 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012 and 2013 were all below median attendance.

But they were above 30,000 still (except for the last 2), which was the original point. I had forgotten that some of those teams were still AQ when they were in the LCPB. But even the other ones got over 30K mostly. Last year the number was less but Bowling Green was limping to the finish line and they were the local team.
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(08-27-2015 01:30 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  But they were above 30,000 still (except for the last 2), which was the original point.
Yes, I was mis-speaking when I was talking about being over 30K ... I had some recent attendances in mind, but that is nowhere near the viability threshold for using Ford Field. Being over 40K is probably more like it.
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