(08-08-2013 09:09 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Ok, here is how it will look, if Texas and Oklahoma jump to Big 10:

Big 10 with 16 Teams
Western Division
Texas
Oklahoma
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Northwestern
Eastern Division
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue
Ohio State
Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland

Big 12 with 8 Teams
West Virginia
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor

So who does the Big 12 add?

Cincinnati, BYU, Colorado St, Boise St. Forget UConn. Few there care about CFB.

(08-08-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 11:13 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 09:23 AM)john01992 Wrote:  honestly i think its better for schools like TCU, baylor, SMU, & houston to be in their own conference. those schools have a lot more in common with each other than iowa state and such. the purpose of conferences is to be associated with schools that are similar to you culturally and thats whats best for a school long term.

i envision something along the lines of

baylor
smu
tcu
houston

being the headliners of their own conference along with
tulsa
tulane
arkansas state
la tech
la monroe
la Lafayette

obviously i dont think that baylor & tcu are bad programs. i just think its better for them to be big fish in a smaller pond playing schools that fit their own schools geographically & culturally. these schools have virtually nothing in common with texas or oklahoma

That's like saying Syracuse, Pitt, UL, and UConn belongs with Buffalo, Temple, UMass, Toledo, Akron, Kent State, and Ball State.

You are way off base. The first 4 in both sets of examples are well ahead of the rest and it isn't even close from a brand and financial standpoint.

Your school didn't see fit to stay in the BE and we wouldn't go for the league you describe.

unlike TCU/baylor buffalo, toledo etc. syracuse/pitt actually have storied football history. they are large schools with a large fanbase size. so of course they can be competitive in the ACC. plus they are a good cultural fit in the ACC. bb/lax heave with moderate football. a league with plenty of private and small public schools

the reason why i mentioned tulsa, smu, baylor, tcu is because they all fit culturally. (small private religious schools) and they are a good geographical fit with houston. thats 5 schools right there who are all pretty good programs. perhaps you could throw in programs out west (utah state, byu, csu, new mexico) or go to the LA schools in the east

the point is whats best for those schools long term is being a conference like that rather than getting beat up by texas/ou every year. theres a pretty big group of people who think the b12 is a deadman walking and wont survive the next round of conf. realignment. so obviously this is something that long term, is very probable and could be their best option. a conference like that is much more viable for these texas schools than being a b12 doormat

Why don't you ask UT/OU how much they like "beating up" on Baylor and TCU the last few years? Last year Texas barely beat Baylor and lost to TCU. The year before, Baylor thumped both UT and OU. The year before that one, UT lost to Baylor as well. Last year in Men's Basketball Baylor split with Texas. The year before they swept both UT and OU. I realize that Baylor used to be the doormat of the Big 12 but over the past 3 years Baylor has been one of the more successful athletic programs in the Big 12.

(08-08-2013 08:14 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 11:13 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 09:23 AM)john01992 Wrote:  honestly i think its better for schools like TCU, baylor, SMU, & houston to be in their own conference. those schools have a lot more in common with each other than iowa state and such. the purpose of conferences is to be associated with schools that are similar to you culturally and thats whats best for a school long term.

i envision something along the lines of

baylor
smu
tcu
houston

being the headliners of their own conference along with
tulsa
tulane
arkansas state
la tech
la monroe
la Lafayette

obviously i dont think that baylor & tcu are bad programs. i just think its better for them to be big fish in a smaller pond playing schools that fit their own schools geographically & culturally. these schools have virtually nothing in common with texas or oklahoma

That's like saying Syracuse, Pitt, UL, and UConn belongs with Buffalo, Temple, UMass, Toledo, Akron, Kent State, and Ball State.

You are way off base. The first 4 in both sets of examples are well ahead of the rest and it isn't even close from a brand and financial standpoint.

Your school didn't see fit to stay in the BE and we wouldn't go for the league you describe.

unlike TCU/baylor buffalo, toledo etc. syracuse/pitt actually have storied football history. they are large schools with a large fanbase size. so of course they can be competitive in the ACC. plus they are a good cultural fit in the ACC. bb/lax heave with moderate football. a league with plenty of private and small public schools

the reason why i mentioned tulsa, smu, baylor, tcu is because they all fit culturally. (small private religious schools) and they are a good geographical fit with houston. thats 5 schools right there who are all pretty good programs. perhaps you could throw in programs out west (utah state, byu, csu, new mexico) or go to the LA schools in the east

the point is whats best for those schools long term is being a conference like that rather than getting beat up by texas/ou every year. theres a pretty big group of people who think the b12 is a deadman walking and wont survive the next round of conf. realignment. so obviously this is something that long term, is very probable and could be their best option. a conference like that is much more viable for these texas schools than being a b12 doormat

Why don't you ask UT/OU how much they like "beating up" on Baylor and TCU the last few years? Last year Texas barely beat Baylor and lost to TCU. The year before, Baylor thumped both UT and OU. The year before that one, UT lost to Baylor as well. Last year in Men's Basketball Baylor split with Texas. The year before they swept both UT and OU. I realize that Baylor used to be the doormat of the Big 12 but over the past 3 years Baylor has been one of the more successful athletic programs in the Big 12.

all time series records
texas-baylor 73-24-5
texas-TCU 61-21-1

oklahoma-baylor 21-1-0
oklahoma-TCU 8-4-0

yeah gimmie a break like these teams are competitive with texas/ou

and baylor basketball?????

gimmie a break....

baylor never has never & never will, make texas or oklahoma lose sleep at night unless its womens basketball

and fyi you are referencing a year where Baylor had a heisman winner and beat both oklahoma/texas in a year where they combined for a 10-8 conference record.

so lemme get this straight......you are actually saying that......

"well we split with texas in bb"

"we almost beat texas in FB"

"we beat texas/ou in the same year" DISCLAIMER (but it just so happens that that was our best FB year since 1980 and easily one of our top 3 seasons ever. meanwhile texas/ou barely had wining conference records)

if you have to use words like almost & split.....obviously that means you werent better than the competition

in the last 3 years baylor bb finished
6th (in a 10 team conference)
3rd (in a 10 team conference)
8th (in a 12 team conference)

in the last 3 years baylor fb finished
5th (in a 10 team conference)
T 3rd (in a 10 team conference)
6th (in a 12 team conference)

its really hard to claim you are one of the best athletic programs in the b12 when you put up numbers like that

im not trying to troll baylor. i just think this notion that they have been a dominant program in the b12 the last 3 years is insane

(08-08-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  unlike TCU/baylor buffalo, toledo etc. syracuse/pitt actually have storied football history. they are large schools with a large fanbase size. so of course they can be competitive in the ACC. plus they are a good cultural fit in the ACC. bb/lax heave with moderate football. a league with plenty of private and small public schools

the reason why i mentioned tulsa, smu, baylor, tcu is because they all fit culturally. (small private religious schools) and they are a good geographical fit with houston. thats 5 schools right there who are all pretty good programs. perhaps you could throw in programs out west (utah state, byu, csu, new mexico) or go to the LA schools in the east

the point is whats best for those schools long term is being a conference like that rather than getting beat up by texas/ou every year. theres a pretty big group of people who think the b12 is a deadman walking and wont survive the next round of conf. realignment. so obviously this is something that long term, is very probable and could be their best option. a conference like that is much more viable for these texas schools than being a b12 doormat

Probably will come as a surprise based on your preconceived notions, but TCU usually rates as one of the top 30-35 programs all time. Cfb data warehouse objective system has us 32 all time (use all time data), ESPN 2009 prestige rankings (only since 1936) has us tied for 31- that was before our back to back BCS appearances. Even way back in 2005 Street and Smith had us #39 and that was before our latest run and move to the Big 12. The nations best QB trophy is named after our Hesiman Trophy winner (Davey O'Brien trophy), and we have one AP national championship (1938) and one pre-AP contested national championship (1935). We are one of about 25 schools with double digit college football hall of fame inductees. Two of the 50 NFL players on the 75th anniversary team were TCU grads (Lilly and Baugh).

So sorry, I would say that say that we clearly qualify as having a "storied" football history.

(08-08-2013 09:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  and fyi you are referencing a year where Baylor had a heisman winner and beat both oklahoma/texas in a year where they combined for a 10-8 conference record.

so lemme get this straight......you are actually saying that......

"well we split with texas in bb"

"we almost beat texas in FB"

"we beat texas/ou in the same year" DISCLAIMER (but it just so happens that that was our best FB year since 1980 and easily one of our top 3 seasons ever. meanwhile texas/ou barely had wining conference records)

if you have to use words like almost & split.....obviously that means you werent better than the competition

in the last 3 years baylor bb finished
6th (in a 10 team conference) Texas Finished 7th
3rd (in a 10 team conference) Texas Finished 6th & OU 8th
8th (in a 12 team conference) Texas finished 2nd

in the last 3 years baylor fb finished
5th (in a 10 team conference) Texas had 1 more win
T 3rd (in a 10 team conference) Texas Finished 5th
6th (in a 12 team conference) Texas Finished dead last in Big 12 South

its really hard to claim you are one of the best athletic programs in the b12 when you put up numbers like that

im not trying to troll baylor. i just think this notion that they have been a dominant program in the b12 the last 3 years is insane

Yes I was referencing a year we had a Heisman Winner. Let that sink in to your and everyone else's head. The last Heisman Winner from the Big 12 came from little ole Baylor. A school many seem to feel doesn't belong with the Big Boys. Texas gets the pick of the liter every year with recruits yet Baylor has produced a Heisman more recently. Over the last 3 years Texas is 1-2 versus Baylor in football and produced 1 first round NFL draft pick to Baylor's 4. This is why Texas is losing recruits to Baylor now.

You want to point out our records in football and basketball yet Texas has finished worse than Baylor more times than not over the past 3 years. In Basketball, Baylor won the NIT last year and Texas lost in the first round of the CBI to Houston. The year before Baylor lost to Kentucky in the Elite 8 while Texas lost in the first round to Cincinnati. Over the past 3 years Baylor has had 4 NBA Draft picks while Texas has had 3 and none in the last 2 years.

Do I think Baylor is one of the better athletic programs in the Big 12 currently? Yes, because the stats and their record prove it.

(08-08-2013 09:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 08:14 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 11:13 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 09:23 AM)john01992 Wrote:  honestly i think its better for schools like TCU, baylor, SMU, & houston to be in their own conference. those schools have a lot more in common with each other than iowa state and such. the purpose of conferences is to be associated with schools that are similar to you culturally and thats whats best for a school long term.

i envision something along the lines of

baylor
smu
tcu
houston

being the headliners of their own conference along with
tulsa
tulane
arkansas state
la tech
la monroe
la Lafayette

obviously i dont think that baylor & tcu are bad programs. i just think its better for them to be big fish in a smaller pond playing schools that fit their own schools geographically & culturally. these schools have virtually nothing in common with texas or oklahoma

That's like saying Syracuse, Pitt, UL, and UConn belongs with Buffalo, Temple, UMass, Toledo, Akron, Kent State, and Ball State.

You are way off base. The first 4 in both sets of examples are well ahead of the rest and it isn't even close from a brand and financial standpoint.

Your school didn't see fit to stay in the BE and we wouldn't go for the league you describe.

unlike TCU/baylor buffalo, toledo etc. syracuse/pitt actually have storied football history. they are large schools with a large fanbase size. so of course they can be competitive in the ACC. plus they are a good cultural fit in the ACC. bb/lax heave with moderate football. a league with plenty of private and small public schools

the reason why i mentioned tulsa, smu, baylor, tcu is because they all fit culturally. (small private religious schools) and they are a good geographical fit with houston. thats 5 schools right there who are all pretty good programs. perhaps you could throw in programs out west (utah state, byu, csu, new mexico) or go to the LA schools in the east

the point is whats best for those schools long term is being a conference like that rather than getting beat up by texas/ou every year. theres a pretty big group of people who think the b12 is a deadman walking and wont survive the next round of conf. realignment. so obviously this is something that long term, is very probable and could be their best option. a conference like that is much more viable for these texas schools than being a b12 doormat

Why don't you ask UT/OU how much they like "beating up" on Baylor and TCU the last few years? Last year Texas barely beat Baylor and lost to TCU. The year before, Baylor thumped both UT and OU. The year before that one, UT lost to Baylor as well. Last year in Men's Basketball Baylor split with Texas. The year before they swept both UT and OU. I realize that Baylor used to be the doormat of the Big 12 but over the past 3 years Baylor has been one of the more successful athletic programs in the Big 12.

all time series records
texas-baylor 73-24-5
texas-TCU 61-21-1

oklahoma-baylor 21-1-0
oklahoma-TCU 8-4-0

yeah gimmie a break like these teams are competitive with texas/ou

and baylor basketball?????

gimmie a break....

baylor never has never & never will, make texas or oklahoma lose sleep at night unless its womens basketball

Last I checked Syracuse football hasn't done crap since Ernie Davis except for two big years with Donovan Mcnabb. That doesn't mean you can't pose a threat to vt or FSU occasionally so extend the same courtesy to us who have more recent reasons for optimism in football.

Glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Accusing us of being too small when our undergrad enrollment is right around yours is comes off pretty dumb. As for success, I would take our results in the four biggest sports (fb, mbb, baseball, WBB) against just about anyone the last few years including your overrated programs.

We had our down years but those might as well be ancient history now. You had bad years too. Greg Robinson ring a bell?!? MBB assistant coach scandal?

Glass houses.

I never understood what your agenda against us stemmed from but it and your constant trolling is getting old. Seriously, did some baylor or TCU chicks dump you or something?

(08-08-2013 10:39 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 09:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  and fyi you are referencing a year where Baylor had a heisman winner and beat both oklahoma/texas in a year where they combined for a 10-8 conference record.

so lemme get this straight......you are actually saying that......

"well we split with texas in bb"

"we almost beat texas in FB"

"we beat texas/ou in the same year" DISCLAIMER (but it just so happens that that was our best FB year since 1980 and easily one of our top 3 seasons ever. meanwhile texas/ou barely had wining conference records)

if you have to use words like almost & split.....obviously that means you werent better than the competition

in the last 3 years baylor bb finished
6th (in a 10 team conference) Texas Finished 7th
3rd (in a 10 team conference) Texas Finished 6th & OU 8th
8th (in a 12 team conference) Texas finished 2nd

in the last 3 years baylor fb finished
5th (in a 10 team conference) Texas had 1 more win
T 3rd (in a 10 team conference) Texas Finished 5th
6th (in a 12 team conference) Texas Finished dead last in Big 12 South

its really hard to claim you are one of the best athletic programs in the b12 when you put up numbers like that

im not trying to troll baylor. i just think this notion that they have been a dominant program in the b12 the last 3 years is insane

Yes I was referencing a year we had a Heisman Winner. Let that sink in to your and everyone else's head. The last Heisman Winner from the Big 12 came from little ole Baylor. A school many seem to feel doesn't belong with the Big Boys. Texas gets the pick of the liter every year with recruits yet Baylor has produced a Heisman more recently. Over the last 3 years Texas is 1-2 versus Baylor in football and produced 1 first round NFL draft pick to Baylor's 4. This is why Texas is losing recruits to Baylor now.

You want to point out our records in football and basketball yet Texas has finished worse than Baylor more times than not over the past 3 years. In Basketball, Baylor won the NIT last year and Texas lost in the first round of the CBI to Houston. The year before Baylor lost to Kentucky in the Elite 8 while Texas lost in the first round to Cincinnati. Over the past 3 years Baylor has had 4 NBA Draft picks while Texas has had 3 and none in the last 2 years.

Do I think Baylor is one of the better athletic programs in the Big 12 currently? Yes, because the stats and their record prove it.

Baylor has 3 scumbag coaches that will each leave Baylor in disgrace after the school receives serious sanctions. Funny how collegiate athletics make Aggies ignore their honor code and the Frogs and Bears ignore honesty, integrity, and just about every other Christian principal. Tech and UT don't compromise student athlete discipline. We may be the only Texas programs that actually care about the character of our recruits. Our recruits aren't perfect but at least they don't kill each other or pass out in fast-food drive-throughs from smoking weed. And how does a lesbian play basketball at Baptist Baylor for 4 years without being exposed? Apparently NCAA championships trump Biblical principals at Baylor. Too many compromises make Baylor a secular school.

(08-08-2013 10:50 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 09:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 08:14 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 11:13 AM)S11 Wrote:  That's like saying Syracuse, Pitt, UL, and UConn belongs with Buffalo, Temple, UMass, Toledo, Akron, Kent State, and Ball State.

You are way off base. The first 4 in both sets of examples are well ahead of the rest and it isn't even close from a brand and financial standpoint.

Your school didn't see fit to stay in the BE and we wouldn't go for the league you describe.

unlike TCU/baylor buffalo, toledo etc. syracuse/pitt actually have storied football history. they are large schools with a large fanbase size. so of course they can be competitive in the ACC. plus they are a good cultural fit in the ACC. bb/lax heave with moderate football. a league with plenty of private and small public schools

the reason why i mentioned tulsa, smu, baylor, tcu is because they all fit culturally. (small private religious schools) and they are a good geographical fit with houston. thats 5 schools right there who are all pretty good programs. perhaps you could throw in programs out west (utah state, byu, csu, new mexico) or go to the LA schools in the east

the point is whats best for those schools long term is being a conference like that rather than getting beat up by texas/ou every year. theres a pretty big group of people who think the b12 is a deadman walking and wont survive the next round of conf. realignment. so obviously this is something that long term, is very probable and could be their best option. a conference like that is much more viable for these texas schools than being a b12 doormat

Why don't you ask UT/OU how much they like "beating up" on Baylor and TCU the last few years? Last year Texas barely beat Baylor and lost to TCU. The year before, Baylor thumped both UT and OU. The year before that one, UT lost to Baylor as well. Last year in Men's Basketball Baylor split with Texas. The year before they swept both UT and OU. I realize that Baylor used to be the doormat of the Big 12 but over the past 3 years Baylor has been one of the more successful athletic programs in the Big 12.

all time series records
texas-baylor 73-24-5
texas-TCU 61-21-1

oklahoma-baylor 21-1-0
oklahoma-TCU 8-4-0

yeah gimmie a break like these teams are competitive with texas/ou

and baylor basketball?????

gimmie a break....

baylor never has never & never will, make texas or oklahoma lose sleep at night unless its womens basketball

Last I checked Syracuse football hasn't done crap since Ernie Davis except for two big years with Donovan Mcnabb. That doesn't mean you can't pose a threat to vt or FSU occasionally so extend the same courtesy to us who have more recent reasons for optimism in football.

Glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Accusing us of being too small when our undergrad enrollment is right around yours is comes off pretty dumb. As for success, I would take our results in the four biggest sports (fb, mbb, baseball, WBB) against just about anyone the last few years including your overrated programs.

We had our down years but those might as well be ancient history now. You had bad years too. Greg Robinson ring a bell?!? MBB assistant coach scandal?

Glass houses.

I never understood what your agenda against us stemmed from but it and your constant trolling is getting old. Seriously, did some baylor or TCU chicks dump you or something?

syracuse has a lot more than ernie davis & baylor. 15th all time wins and an alumni class that rivals any top program.

syracuse has won big east titles in basketball, football, & lax in the last 2 years. we have done well in the conference tournies and managed to knock off wvu & louisville in years they won BCS bowls. meanwhile baylor has yet to finish higher than 3rd in that timespan, and in FB/BB they have racked up a whopping 3 conference titles since 1950.

in that time frame syracuse has 20!!!!!!
(and did so despite being an independent for most of those years)

they are no FSU, but they sure have accomplished a heck of a lot more than baylor both currently and historically

(08-08-2013 10:57 PM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 10:39 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 09:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  and fyi you are referencing a year where Baylor had a heisman winner and beat both oklahoma/texas in a year where they combined for a 10-8 conference record.

so lemme get this straight......you are actually saying that......

"well we split with texas in bb"

"we almost beat texas in FB"

"we beat texas/ou in the same year" DISCLAIMER (but it just so happens that that was our best FB year since 1980 and easily one of our top 3 seasons ever. meanwhile texas/ou barely had wining conference records)

if you have to use words like almost & split.....obviously that means you werent better than the competition

in the last 3 years baylor bb finished
6th (in a 10 team conference) Texas Finished 7th
3rd (in a 10 team conference) Texas Finished 6th & OU 8th
8th (in a 12 team conference) Texas finished 2nd

in the last 3 years baylor fb finished
5th (in a 10 team conference) Texas had 1 more win
T 3rd (in a 10 team conference) Texas Finished 5th
6th (in a 12 team conference) Texas Finished dead last in Big 12 South

its really hard to claim you are one of the best athletic programs in the b12 when you put up numbers like that

im not trying to troll baylor. i just think this notion that they have been a dominant program in the b12 the last 3 years is insane

Yes I was referencing a year we had a Heisman Winner. Let that sink in to your and everyone else's head. The last Heisman Winner from the Big 12 came from little ole Baylor. A school many seem to feel doesn't belong with the Big Boys. Texas gets the pick of the liter every year with recruits yet Baylor has produced a Heisman more recently. Over the last 3 years Texas is 1-2 versus Baylor in football and produced 1 first round NFL draft pick to Baylor's 4. This is why Texas is losing recruits to Baylor now.

You want to point out our records in football and basketball yet Texas has finished worse than Baylor more times than not over the past 3 years. In Basketball, Baylor won the NIT last year and Texas lost in the first round of the CBI to Houston. The year before Baylor lost to Kentucky in the Elite 8 while Texas lost in the first round to Cincinnati. Over the past 3 years Baylor has had 4 NBA Draft picks while Texas has had 3 and none in the last 2 years.

Do I think Baylor is one of the better athletic programs in the Big 12 currently? Yes, because the stats and their record prove it.

Baylor has 3 scumbag coaches that will each leave Baylor in disgrace after the school receives serious sanctions. Funny how collegiate athletics make Aggies ignore their honor code and the Frogs and Bears ignore honesty, integrity, and just about every other Christian principal. Tech and UT don't compromise student athlete discipline. We may be the only Texas programs that actually care about the character of our recruits. Our recruits aren't perfect but at least they don't kill each other or pass out in fast-food drive-throughs from smoking weed. And how does a lesbian play basketball at Baptist Baylor for 4 years without being exposed? Apparently NCAA championships trump Biblical principals at Baylor. Too many compromises make Baylor a secular school.

1- Keep it civil or mods will have to take action. Ridiculing an incident where someone died is not cool.

2- The player who was killed not only died at the hand of an insane ex player but it also happened in an old AD regime that was over a decade ago. It was a tragic incident.

3- the two players who were high in Taco Bell were eventually kicked off the team and are now NFL players after finishing elsewhere. Tech has given second chances too. These guys ended up wasting those chances.

4- The NCAA investigated for two years and only found bad texts in our MBB program as "violations". Same kind of clerical errors that both Tech football under leach and ISU hoops currently gr dinged with. No evidence of willful wrongdoing at all.

5- Name one realistic allegation on Briles. Good luck with that.

By the way of he's a scumbag what does it say about your school who tried twice unsuccessfully to hire him?

6- Admitting a gay student isn't a compromise of values on its own. Reshaping the culture of a religious school to celebrate it would be but that isn't what occurred.

Accusing us of being too small when our undergrad enrollment is right around yours is comes off pretty dumb.

you need to read my full posts. i talked about fitting into a conference culturally. syracuse plays in a conference with 5 fellow private schools, and a bunch of public schools that are much smaller than traditional p5 schools. syracuse ranks 7th in the acc for enrollment size

meanwhile baylor plays in a conference with only one fellow private, and of their 9 opponents, 6 of them nearly double baylor in size

oh & fyi, cuse is 125% bigger than baylor. so lets not act like they are similar sizes. 5k is a lot

(08-08-2013 11:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Accusing us of being too small when our undergrad enrollment is right around yours is comes off pretty dumb.

you need to read my full posts. i talked about fitting into a conference culturally. syracuse plays in a conference with 5 fellow private schools, and a bunch of public schools that are much smaller than traditional p5 schools. syracuse ranks 7th in the acc for enrollment size

meanwhile baylor plays in a conference with only one fellow private, and of their 9 opponents, 6 of them nearly double baylor in size

oh & fyi, cuse is 125% bigger than baylor. so lets not act like they are similar sizes. 5k is a lot

Undergrad enrollment- 14k vs 12k if I remember correctly. Meh.

Postgrads aren't as big of a fanbase factor.

As for cultural fit we and TCU fit fine here. Texas schools with a financial commitment to success in athletics, strong graduation rates, strong programs, and history with most of the league.

Either way you seem to have an unhealthy hatred of us. What's the issue?

(08-08-2013 10:37 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  unlike TCU/baylor buffalo, toledo etc. syracuse/pitt actually have storied football history. they are large schools with a large fanbase size. so of course they can be competitive in the ACC. plus they are a good cultural fit in the ACC. bb/lax heave with moderate football. a league with plenty of private and small public schools

the reason why i mentioned tulsa, smu, baylor, tcu is because they all fit culturally. (small private religious schools) and they are a good geographical fit with houston. thats 5 schools right there who are all pretty good programs. perhaps you could throw in programs out west (utah state, byu, csu, new mexico) or go to the LA schools in the east

the point is whats best for those schools long term is being a conference like that rather than getting beat up by texas/ou every year. theres a pretty big group of people who think the b12 is a deadman walking and wont survive the next round of conf. realignment. so obviously this is something that long term, is very probable and could be their best option. a conference like that is much more viable for these texas schools than being a b12 doormat

Probably will come as a surprise based on your preconceived notions, but TCU usually rates as one of the top 30-35 programs all time. Cfb data warehouse objective system has us 32 all time (use all time data), ESPN 2009 prestige rankings (only since 1936) has us tied for 31- that was before our back to back BCS appearances. Even way back in 2005 Street and Smith had us #39 and that was before our latest run and move to the Big 12. The nations best QB trophy is named after our Hesiman Trophy winner (Davey O'Brien trophy), and we have one AP national championship (1938) and one pre-AP contested national championship (1935). We are one of about 25 schools with double digit college football hall of fame inductees. Two of the 50 NFL players on the 75th anniversary team were TCU grads (Lilly and Baugh).

So sorry, I would say that say that we clearly qualify as having a "storied" football history.

yeah ive always known about TCUs football history. but a big issue with them is

1. they have to compete with 4 p5 schools in their state while the SEC & b10 are taking bigger chunks than ever of the texas recruiting pool.

2. they have to re adjust to being in a power conference

3. i love this program and like rooting for you guys. but a big difference between tcu & syracuse is that from the 50s- early 90s syracuse was consistently good whereas TCU shows hotspots here & there

for those 3 reasons thats why i just dont believe TCU can be consistently good down the road. sooner or later the powers will shift back the way the were and texas/ou will dominate while the b10/pac12/acc get more teams in the top 25

Johno is now claiming the Big Ten is getting more recruiting in Texas? Delusion. It's not increasing at all. Frankly A&M to the SEC raided more recruits from SEC teams that normally get those Texas kids than big twelve teams.

Baylor and TCU have strong budgets, recruiting, hire well, and have great facilities. I would not bet against either.

Yet another post with fantasy reasons to predict our downfall. You really seem fixated on us.

(08-08-2013 11:37 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 11:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Accusing us of being too small when our undergrad enrollment is right around yours is comes off pretty dumb.

you need to read my full posts. i talked about fitting into a conference culturally. syracuse plays in a conference with 5 fellow private schools, and a bunch of public schools that are much smaller than traditional p5 schools. syracuse ranks 7th in the acc for enrollment size

meanwhile baylor plays in a conference with only one fellow private, and of their 9 opponents, 6 of them nearly double baylor in size

oh & fyi, cuse is 125% bigger than baylor. so lets not act like they are similar sizes. 5k is a lot

Undergrad enrollment- 14k vs 12k if I remember correctly. Meh.

Postgrads aren't as big of a fanbase factor.

As for cultural fit we and TCU fit fine here. Texas schools with a financial commitment to success in athletics, strong graduation rates, strong programs, and history with most of the league.

Either way you seem to have an unhealthy hatred of us. What's the issue?

syracuse enrollment is 20,800. you cant pick in choose which students count and which ones dont. im not trying to be a jerk here but saying post grads dont count when you are comparing two schools on different levels of academics is as misleading as you can get.

TCU has a history with most of the league?????
TCU games played

ou: 12
osu: 23
isu: 4
wvu: 2
ksu: 6
ksu: 29

thats NON EXISTANT history!!!!
NW has at least 74 games with all but 2 current b10 teams (msu/nw is 53)
vandy has 80-100+ games with over half the sec

you cant say TCU fits in with these schools when 3 of them (30% of your conference) have a total of 12 games played

(08-08-2013 11:24 PM)S11 Wrote:  By the way of he's a scumbag what does it say about your school who tried twice unsuccessfully to hire him?

6- Admitting a gay student isn't a compromise of values on its own. Reshaping the culture of a religious school to celebrate it would be but that isn't what occurred.

To be fair, Tech could have hired Briles if we wanted to pay for his buyout. Tech decided he wasn't worth the money. He would have been a better choice than pine box but I'm glad we didn't to pay his payout. I'm extremely happy that we hired Kliff after pine box ran off to BBall school.

Griner was specifically told by Kim to keep her lesbianism quiet because it wouldn't sit well with the Baylor community.

(08-08-2013 11:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 10:37 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  unlike TCU/baylor buffalo, toledo etc. syracuse/pitt actually have storied football history. they are large schools with a large fanbase size. so of course they can be competitive in the ACC. plus they are a good cultural fit in the ACC. bb/lax heave with moderate football. a league with plenty of private and small public schools

the reason why i mentioned tulsa, smu, baylor, tcu is because they all fit culturally. (small private religious schools) and they are a good geographical fit with houston. thats 5 schools right there who are all pretty good programs. perhaps you could throw in programs out west (utah state, byu, csu, new mexico) or go to the LA schools in the east

the point is whats best for those schools long term is being a conference like that rather than getting beat up by texas/ou every year. theres a pretty big group of people who think the b12 is a deadman walking and wont survive the next round of conf. realignment. so obviously this is something that long term, is very probable and could be their best option. a conference like that is much more viable for these texas schools than being a b12 doormat

Probably will come as a surprise based on your preconceived notions, but TCU usually rates as one of the top 30-35 programs all time. Cfb data warehouse objective system has us 32 all time (use all time data), ESPN 2009 prestige rankings (only since 1936) has us tied for 31- that was before our back to back BCS appearances. Even way back in 2005 Street and Smith had us #39 and that was before our latest run and move to the Big 12. The nations best QB trophy is named after our Hesiman Trophy winner (Davey O'Brien trophy), and we have one AP national championship (1938) and one pre-AP contested national championship (1935). We are one of about 25 schools with double digit college football hall of fame inductees. Two of the 50 NFL players on the 75th anniversary team were TCU grads (Lilly and Baugh).

So sorry, I would say that say that we clearly qualify as having a "storied" football history.

yeah ive always known about TCUs football history. but a big issue with them is

1. they have to compete with 4 p5 schools in their state while the SEC & b10 are taking bigger chunks than ever of the texas recruiting pool.

2. they have to re adjust to being in a power conference

3. i love this program and like rooting for you guys. but a big difference between tcu & syracuse is that from the 50s- early 90s syracuse was consistently good whereas TCU shows hotspots here & there

for those 3 reasons thats why i just dont believe TCU can be consistently good down the road. sooner or later the powers will shift back the way the were and texas/ou will dominate while the b10/pac12/acc get more teams in the top 25

Sorry, the point you specifically made ( that I am arguing against) was that TCU was not a storied program, comparing it in that regard to Buffalo and Toledo's history. Your opinion of the future is irrelevant in the discussion of that point. Anyone with knowledge of our past would not consider it similar to Buffalo and Toledo's college football history,as you did, unless they were trying to flame or troll.

(08-09-2013 06:39 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 11:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 10:37 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  unlike TCU/baylor buffalo, toledo etc. syracuse/pitt actually have storied football history. they are large schools with a large fanbase size. so of course they can be competitive in the ACC. plus they are a good cultural fit in the ACC. bb/lax heave with moderate football. a league with plenty of private and small public schools

the reason why i mentioned tulsa, smu, baylor, tcu is because they all fit culturally. (small private religious schools) and they are a good geographical fit with houston. thats 5 schools right there who are all pretty good programs. perhaps you could throw in programs out west (utah state, byu, csu, new mexico) or go to the LA schools in the east

the point is whats best for those schools long term is being a conference like that rather than getting beat up by texas/ou every year. theres a pretty big group of people who think the b12 is a deadman walking and wont survive the next round of conf. realignment. so obviously this is something that long term, is very probable and could be their best option. a conference like that is much more viable for these texas schools than being a b12 doormat

Probably will come as a surprise based on your preconceived notions, but TCU usually rates as one of the top 30-35 programs all time. Cfb data warehouse objective system has us 32 all time (use all time data), ESPN 2009 prestige rankings (only since 1936) has us tied for 31- that was before our back to back BCS appearances. Even way back in 2005 Street and Smith had us #39 and that was before our latest run and move to the Big 12. The nations best QB trophy is named after our Hesiman Trophy winner (Davey O'Brien trophy), and we have one AP national championship (1938) and one pre-AP contested national championship (1935). We are one of about 25 schools with double digit college football hall of fame inductees. Two of the 50 NFL players on the 75th anniversary team were TCU grads (Lilly and Baugh).

So sorry, I would say that say that we clearly qualify as having a "storied" football history.

yeah ive always known about TCUs football history. but a big issue with them is

1. they have to compete with 4 p5 schools in their state while the SEC & b10 are taking bigger chunks than ever of the texas recruiting pool.

2. they have to re adjust to being in a power conference

3. i love this program and like rooting for you guys. but a big difference between tcu & syracuse is that from the 50s- early 90s syracuse was consistently good whereas TCU shows hotspots here & there

for those 3 reasons thats why i just dont believe TCU can be consistently good down the road. sooner or later the powers will shift back the way the were and texas/ou will dominate while the b10/pac12/acc get more teams in the top 25

Sorry, the point you specifically made ( that I am arguing against) was that TCU was not a storied program, comparing it in that regard to Buffalo and Toledo's history. Your opinion of the future is irrelevant in the discussion of that point. Anyone with knowledge of our past would not consider it similar to Buffalo and Toledo's college football history,as you did, unless they were trying to flame or troll.

i never meant to say TCU was on the same level as toledo/buffalo. the point i was making there was that unlike those schools, syracuse has extensive history of being a successful school playing the likes of BC psu, pitt, wvu. i mentioned TCU in that sort of conference because of the cultural, geographical fit is better for the school long term. i think its ridiculous TCU has a slate of iowa st. & wvu. what do those schools have in common with TCU? then you guys made the SU, toledo, buffalo comparison and thats where you guys just sound stupid

(08-09-2013 08:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  i think its ridiculous TCU has a slate of iowa st. & wvu. what do those schools have in common with TCU? then you guys made the SU, toledo, buffalo comparison and thats where you guys just sound stupid

The SU & Pitt being compared to toledo, UMass, buffalo, etc comparison is no more stupid than your ULL, ULM, LaTech, and Ark State comparison for BU & TCU. Both are absurd from a fan support, success, budget, and brand comparison. It was intentionally so to point out the absurdity of your statement.

You may not have specifically said TCU or BU were on the level of Toledo/Buffalo, but your earlier comparison was pretty much the same thing.

(08-09-2013 08:59 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(08-09-2013 08:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  i think its ridiculous TCU has a slate of iowa st. & wvu. what do those schools have in common with TCU? then you guys made the SU, toledo, buffalo comparison and thats where you guys just sound stupid

The SU, toledo, buffalo comparison is no more stupid than your ULL, ULM, LaTech, and Ark State comparison for BU & TCU.

Actually its Crazy stupid. Compare what TCU has done in the last ten years to what SU has done over the same period and its not even close. TCU blows them away by a landslide.