(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:33 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:30 PM)Phillip26r Wrote:  I wish the media would leave the kid alone and let him make his mistakes like the rest of us did.

The bottom line is the media just don't ant anyone else winning two heismans.

How many mistakes does he get to make before he should face some heat for them? Cam Newton got more criticism without doing close to the amount and things Manziel has done

Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? HOW ABOUT TYRANN MATHIEU? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

Funny you should bring up the honey badger. The comics and artistes over at shaggy bevo are having a FIELD DAY recreating "autograph sessions" of the newly annointed Money Badger from Agricultural and Mechanical.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthre...hop-thread

(08-06-2013 04:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Vanderbilt
Costs for 2013-2014
The estimated costs for full-time undergraduate students attending Vanderbilt University for academic year 2013-2014 are as follows:

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/financialaid/costs.php

Tuition - $41,928
Housing - $9,208
Board - $4,886
Total - $56,022

Plus:
Books and Supplies - $1,370
Student Activities and Recreation Fees - $1,050

How does the IRS view this money paid to/for a student who participates in sports?

(08-06-2013 03:16 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 03:04 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  He didn't do anything for money, his family is loaded from oil money.

Cam, NCAA didn't do anything.

Alabama, 4 players signing autographs at an upscale clothing store, NCAA didn't do anything.

The question is what the souvenir dealers did with the autographed items.

It doesn't have anything to do with what they did with the autographed items. All that matters is if he received money for signing the items.

Most seem to be pushing for the Olympic model where players can get endorsement revenue. I'm not so sure that would work for a college team. They would have to have an agent/manager which would make things pretty ugly. At the very least they should get a percentage of merchandise sales tied directly to them either paid directly to them or to an annuity available after their college career ends. I remember seeing a story about the Fab5. Jalen Rose talked about how he didn't have enough money to buy gas but fans were buying his jersey for $75. Pretty sad how greedy the schools have become.

I am for doing away with athletic scholarships. Make each player pay their own way. Tuition, board and food along with clothing and books. If they want financial compensation then eliminate all their current compensation and make them pay their own ways. If you go to away game then you pay your own travel and hotel cost. Eliminate EVERY form of compensation they get at present time from the athletic program and replace it with a check every month.

Still do not allow outside compensation, only a payment from the school. But also give them an option to stay with the current set up. Maybe then some will realize just how much they are presently getting for playing a game.

(08-07-2013 03:20 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  If colleges start paying players then are they employees with the same rights as other university employees? Covered under federal and state employement laws? I assume the IRS would still allow non-profit status, but who knows. Eventually the US Treasury may want a piece of the college FB pie.

They will likely be compensated as 1099 contractors (I would think).

(08-08-2013 12:15 PM)madtiger Wrote:  

(08-07-2013 03:20 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  If colleges start paying players then are they employees with the same rights as other university employees? Covered under federal and state employement laws? I assume the IRS would still allow non-profit status, but who knows. Eventually the US Treasury may want a piece of the college FB pie.

They will likely be compensated as 1099 contractors (I would think).

a salary cap and a stipend is the best way to avoid all of the pitfalls.

1- give out the proposed 2000 - $3,000 stipend to ALL athletes ..

2- then define a amateur athlete as one who earns $30,000 or less from endorsements from outside sources .. (It could be $20,000 or $40,000 or even $100,000).

this allows for the school to give some compensation to all scholarship athletes and for the top athletes to get more $$$ due to their market value .. all the while the school treats the star QB the same as the volleyball 3rd stringer. --and they can avoid labor laws ...

(08-08-2013 12:59 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 12:15 PM)madtiger Wrote:  

(08-07-2013 03:20 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  If colleges start paying players then are they employees with the same rights as other university employees? Covered under federal and state employement laws? I assume the IRS would still allow non-profit status, but who knows. Eventually the US Treasury may want a piece of the college FB pie.

They will likely be compensated as 1099 contractors (I would think).

a salary cap and a stipend is the best way to avoid all of the pitfalls.

1- give out the proposed 2000 - $3,000 stipend to ALL athletes ..

2- then define a amateur athlete as one who earns $30,000 or less from endorsements from outside sources .. (It could be $20,000 or $40,000 or even $100,000).

this allows for the school to give some compensation to all scholarship athletes and for the top athletes to get more $$$ due to their market value .. all the while the school treats the star QB the same as the volleyball 3rd stringer. --and they can avoid labor laws ...

I think that is the plan.

(08-06-2013 04:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Vanderbilt
Costs for 2013-2014
The estimated costs for full-time undergraduate students attending Vanderbilt University for academic year 2013-2014 are as follows:

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/financialaid/costs.php

Tuition - $41,928
Housing - $9,208
Board - $4,886
Total - $56,022

Plus:
Books and Supplies - $1,370
Student Activities and Recreation Fees - $1,050

So books only account for 2.4% of your education at Vandy.

Interesting.

(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:33 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:30 PM)Phillip26r Wrote:  I wish the media would leave the kid alone and let him make his mistakes like the rest of us did.

The bottom line is the media just don't ant anyone else winning two heismans.

How many mistakes does he get to make before he should face some heat for them? Cam Newton got more criticism without doing close to the amount and things Manziel has done

Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? How about Tyrann Mathieu? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

manziel is white....which changes everything. when black kids get paid theyre cheaters. when white kids get paid the rules are messed up.

(08-08-2013 05:17 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:33 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  The bottom line is the media just don't ant anyone else winning two heismans.

How many mistakes does he get to make before he should face some heat for them? Cam Newton got more criticism without doing close to the amount and things Manziel has done

Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? How about Tyrann Mathieu? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

manziel is white....which changes everything. when black kids get paid theyre cheaters. when white kids get paid the rules are messed up.

(08-08-2013 05:22 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 05:17 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  How many mistakes does he get to make before he should face some heat for them? Cam Newton got more criticism without doing close to the amount and things Manziel has done

Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? How about Tyrann Mathieu? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

manziel is white....which changes everything. when black kids get paid theyre cheaters. when white kids get paid the rules are messed up.

the silence around here is deafening

(08-08-2013 05:17 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:33 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  The bottom line is the media just don't ant anyone else winning two heismans.

How many mistakes does he get to make before he should face some heat for them? Cam Newton got more criticism without doing close to the amount and things Manziel has done

Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? How about Tyrann Mathieu? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

manziel is white....which changes everything. when black kids get paid theyre cheaters. when white kids get paid the rules are messed up.

I didnt want to be the first one to say it but there it is. Black kids accept money and they suddenly have "character concerns"

(08-08-2013 09:03 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 05:17 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  How many mistakes does he get to make before he should face some heat for them? Cam Newton got more criticism without doing close to the amount and things Manziel has done

Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? How about Tyrann Mathieu? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

manziel is white....which changes everything. when black kids get paid theyre cheaters. when white kids get paid the rules are messed up.

I didnt want to be the first one to say it but there it is. Black kids accept money and they suddenly have "character concerns"

yep. manziel comes from a wealthy oil family.

cam newton, reggie bush, etc. didn't.

id love love to hear the usual suspects (good posters) chime in on this but they are afraid to.

(08-08-2013 05:17 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:33 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  The bottom line is the media just don't ant anyone else winning two heismans.

How many mistakes does he get to make before he should face some heat for them? Cam Newton got more criticism without doing close to the amount and things Manziel has done

Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? How about Tyrann Mathieu? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

manziel is white....which changes everything. when black kids get paid theyre cheaters. when white kids get paid the rules are messed up.

I read the Jason Whitlock column too

(08-09-2013 08:26 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 05:17 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  How many mistakes does he get to make before he should face some heat for them? Cam Newton got more criticism without doing close to the amount and things Manziel has done

Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? How about Tyrann Mathieu? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

manziel is white....which changes everything. when black kids get paid theyre cheaters. when white kids get paid the rules are messed up.

I read the Jason Whitlock column too

you agree?

(08-08-2013 05:22 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 05:17 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  How many mistakes does he get to make before he should face some heat for them? Cam Newton got more criticism without doing close to the amount and things Manziel has done

Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? How about Tyrann Mathieu? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

manziel is white....which changes everything. when black kids get paid theyre cheaters. when white kids get paid the rules are messed up.

Manziel's family is wealthy which diffuses everything. Cam's father was shopping for the highest bidder, the most offensive of all NCAA rules. Manziel showing up at NBA courtside or anywhere else shouldn't make any more noise than if the Manning kids did it when they were in college, because everyone knew their background. Nobody knew Johnny Football had money until all this came down.

Manziel got grief for leaving the Manning camp, well it was reported that Eli himself overslept several times when he was at the camp as a student but you didn't hear about that.

Heard on the radio driving home yesterday that A&M did their own study and Johnny Football meant some $20 million in extra revenue to them last year and going into this year. The NCAA sold a ton of his jerseys too. Jay Bilas nipped that in the bud.

(08-09-2013 08:26 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 05:17 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  How many mistakes does he get to make before he should face some heat for them? Cam Newton got more criticism without doing close to the amount and things Manziel has done

Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? How about Tyrann Mathieu? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

manziel is white....which changes everything. when black kids get paid theyre cheaters. when white kids get paid the rules are messed up.

I read the Jason Whitlock column too

I see what you did there

#clever

(08-09-2013 08:41 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-09-2013 08:26 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 05:17 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:02 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Really? And when was Cam punished exactly?

My point is Cam was villainized. People want to give Manziel a pass for everything he does. Did you react the same way to Newton? How about Tyrann Mathieu? Why does it seem Manziel is held to a different standard than other players?

manziel is white....which changes everything. when black kids get paid theyre cheaters. when white kids get paid the rules are messed up.

I read the Jason Whitlock column too

you agree?

He makes good points.