(08-14-2013 11:13 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:14 PM)BrewHawk Wrote:  If you're punter kicks anything close to average there, you're in a lot better position than what it actually ended up as.

I think the decision was the right one. No offense, but your lines were pretty gassed in the fourth quarter. Probably the reason the playcalling changed a bit too. I haven't seen the game since last year, so my memory may be a bit off, but outside of the long run by Jordan, he was pretty much running for his life the rest of the time (as was Vandenberg), but Iowa had a better run game to fall back on.

Not so much running for his life, as he only tried 16 passes and 3 of those were dropped. Just running period, but the line didn't provide much running room. Plus there was the snap that went past Lynch 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage and another bad exchange later in the game, which didn't help.

Indeed. I think we shot ourselves in the foot as much as Iowa dominated

(08-14-2013 11:14 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:13 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:14 PM)BrewHawk Wrote:  If you're punter kicks anything close to average there, you're in a lot better position than what it actually ended up as.

I think the decision was the right one. No offense, but your lines were pretty gassed in the fourth quarter. Probably the reason the playcalling changed a bit too. I haven't seen the game since last year, so my memory may be a bit off, but outside of the long run by Jordan, he was pretty much running for his life the rest of the time (as was Vandenberg), but Iowa had a better run game to fall back on.

Not so much running for his life, as he only tried 16 passes and 3 of those were dropped. Just running period, but the line didn't provide much running room. Plus there was the snap that went past Lynch 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage and another bad exchange later in the game, which didn't help.

Indeed. I think we shot ourselves in the foot as much as Iowa dominated

I definitely wouldn't call anything Iowa did in that game domination, but our DL really controlled the LOS (especially in the 4th quarter) and put pressure on most passing plays at that point, even if it was just a few.

(08-14-2013 05:32 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Just to play the other side, is it a slam dunk smart move to take a safety there? It seemed like the strength of NIU's defense that whole day was red zone or near red zone defense. Iowa was much more effective at moving the ball between the 30's. Giving up a safety you make it a 1 FG game, as opposed to just keeping Iowa out of the endzone by punting. I am not saying you are wrong, but I can see both sides and cannot personally disagree with the decision.

I see your point. Keep in mind though that with a FG it would mean overtime where all plays are in the red zone.

It wasn't a slam dunk decision either way. Punting it makes them take it to the end zone which they hadn't done yet in several red zone trips. If you take the safety, you allow them to tie with a FG and keep in mind their kicker has already hit a 50 yarder, so they need to march to only about the 35 to get in range.

If you punt and it's good, they need to drive 40-50 yards for the win. And although the punt was bad, it could've been even worse because there's also an increased risk of a punt block and defensive touchdown in your end zone.
If it's a good free kick (from the 20), they probably need to drive 30-40 yards for a tying field goal, and the yards are easier to get because the field is longer. But then of course the field goal wouldn't be a sure thing.

Not an easy call.

(08-15-2013 12:08 AM)BrewHawk Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:14 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:13 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:14 PM)BrewHawk Wrote:  If you're punter kicks anything close to average there, you're in a lot better position than what it actually ended up as.

I think the decision was the right one. No offense, but your lines were pretty gassed in the fourth quarter. Probably the reason the playcalling changed a bit too. I haven't seen the game since last year, so my memory may be a bit off, but outside of the long run by Jordan, he was pretty much running for his life the rest of the time (as was Vandenberg), but Iowa had a better run game to fall back on.

Not so much running for his life, as he only tried 16 passes and 3 of those were dropped. Just running period, but the line didn't provide much running room. Plus there was the snap that went past Lynch 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage and another bad exchange later in the game, which didn't help.

Indeed. I think we shot ourselves in the foot as much as Iowa dominated

I definitely wouldn't call anything Iowa did in that game domination, but our DL really controlled the LOS (especially in the 4th quarter) and put pressure on most passing plays at that point, even if it was just a few.

As did NIUs....

(08-15-2013 09:00 AM)Max Power Wrote:  It wasn't a slam dunk decision either way. Punting it makes them take it to the end zone which they hadn't done yet in several red zone trips. If you take the safety, you allow them to tie with a FG and keep in mind their kicker has already hit a 50 yarder, so they need to march to only about the 35 to get in range.

If you punt and it's good, they need to drive 40-50 yards for the win. And although the punt was bad, it could've been even worse because there's also an increased risk of a punt block and defensive touchdown in your end zone.
If it's a good free kick (from the 20), they probably need to drive 30-40 yards for a tying field goal, and the yards are easier to get because the field is longer. But then of course the field goal wouldn't be a sure thing.

Not an easy call.

Didn't Iowa get the ball at like the 25? The punt was horrid. The thing is, Iowa hadn't been in the endzone all day. And if it wasn't for a real good playcall that caught NIU off guard, I don't think they would have ever gotten in even though they started at the 25.

The Punt was awful.

We had them 3rd & 8.

The run surprised us. We lost containment on that side. Somewhere recently there was an article with Ward talking about someone missing an assignment. ( Methinks it was Durante....should not have been a TD.)

The only thing that will allow me to "let go" of that play will be a "W" on 8/31.

"Finish The Fight".

The Iowa back would have probably scored from 60 yards out on that play also iirc.

(08-15-2013 10:58 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  The Punt was awful.

We had them 3rd & 8.

The run surprised us. We lost containment on that side. Somewhere recently there was an article with Ward talking about someone missing an assignment. ( Methinks it was Durante....should not have been a TD.)

The only thing that will allow me to "let go" of that play will be a "W" on 8/31.

"Finish The Fight".

Stone and Ward blew the coverage. They were lined up on that side of the field.

(08-15-2013 10:58 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  The Punt was awful.

We had them 3rd & 8.

The run surprised us. We lost containment on that side. Somewhere recently there was an article with Ward talking about someone missing an assignment. ( Methinks it was Durante....should not have been a TD.)

The only thing that will allow me to "let go" of that play will be a "W" on 8/31.

"Finish The Fight".

That was one of the worst punts I've ever seen - not very far, but also low enough that there was plenty of time to return it before coverage got there.

If you want to see a blown assignment, go watch Stone take the worst angle in football history on Pryor's first TD run in the Orange Bowl. Should have been a 10 yard gain and it turned into 60.

(08-15-2013 01:24 PM)7 Wrote:  If you want to see a blown assignment, go watch Stone take the worst angle in football history on Pryor's first TD run in the Orange Bowl. Should have been a 10 yard gain and it turned into 60.

I hated Demitrius Stone. He has blown so many big plays in his career with NIU that his clutch interception is null.

(08-15-2013 01:26 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:24 PM)7 Wrote:  If you want to see a blown assignment, go watch Stone take the worst angle in football history on Pryor's first TD run in the Orange Bowl. Should have been a 10 yard gain and it turned into 60.

I hated Demitrius Stone. He has blown so many big plays in his career with NIU that his clutch interception is null.

He was brutal the first half of last year when he was playing corner, but he was much better after he moved back to safety.