The thing with Turner is they get their best ratings for hoops. I think you'll find them going more at all costs than you think.

saw this just looking with the NBA:
http://www.sonicsrising.com/2013/7/8/450...rogressing

I just don't see the NBA getting on the open market quite frankly.

Fox doesn't have a chance with the NFL for SNF or MNF. SNF signed thru 2022, MNF thru 2021.

Reallistically, the Big Ten is going to be the big battle. And, I don't see Delaney giving ESPN a break on this at all. That's why I think the $30 million mark is probably just the minimum amount per school you'll see.

I think the only hope for CBS and Fox to show the NFL on cable is an ABC/ESPN2 type deal with regional coverage. For example, if WLKY (CBS) is showing the Colts in Louisville, CBSSN shows the Bengals. The problem is that the Sunday Ticket package is essentially as valuable as the NFC or AFC package. That's a pretty big burden for Fox and CBS to shoulder on top of what they have now.

(08-19-2013 02:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing with Turner is they get their best ratings for hoops. I think you'll find them going more at all costs than you think.

saw this just looking with the NBA:
http://www.sonicsrising.com/2013/7/8/450...rogressing

I just don't see the NBA getting on the open market quite frankly.

Fox doesn't have a chance with the NFL for SNF or MNF. SNF signed thru 2022, MNF thru 2021.

Reallistically, the Big Ten is going to be the big battle. And, I don't see Delaney giving ESPN a break on this at all. That's why I think the $30 million mark is probably just the minimum amount per school you'll see.

I'm betting that the B1G is going to end up split between FOX and ESPN in the same manner as the P12 and B12.

(08-20-2013 10:18 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 02:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing with Turner is they get their best ratings for hoops. I think you'll find them going more at all costs than you think.

saw this just looking with the NBA:
http://www.sonicsrising.com/2013/7/8/450...rogressing

I just don't see the NBA getting on the open market quite frankly.

Fox doesn't have a chance with the NFL for SNF or MNF. SNF signed thru 2022, MNF thru 2021.

Reallistically, the Big Ten is going to be the big battle. And, I don't see Delaney giving ESPN a break on this at all. That's why I think the $30 million mark is probably just the minimum amount per school you'll see.

I'm betting that the B1G is going to end up split between FOX and ESPN in the same manner as the P12 and B12.

Last year ABC had 19 games, ESPN had 9, ESPN2 had 10(plus all the reverse mirrors), and ESPNU had 3. Do you really think Delaney is going to give up all the network games? I don't.

If with all the new games- you have something like-
network 25 games
cable 25 games

and it's split 50/50 for both with Fox
ABC would lose roughly 6 Big Ten games.- showing 13
ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU would lose 10 Big Ten games- showing 12

ESPN would have roughly 1 Big Ten game a week- definitely not what they've had in the current deal.

They have a lot of room for improvement:

http://collegespun.com/acc/notre-dame/ph...notre-dame

Their show with Regis Philbin is as awful as anything you'll find on ESPN.

(08-21-2013 09:47 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Their show with Regis Philbin is as awful as anything you'll find on TV.

FIFY

watched that show on Monday and they had a horse race with a horse named Regis Philbin. I mean really?

Sports broadcast rights will eventually allow FS1 and FS2 to catch up. They have deep pockets and it's a 5-7 year project.

(08-21-2013 10:31 AM)Journeyman22 Wrote:  Sports broadcast rights will eventually allow FS1 and FS2 to catch up. They have deep pockets and it's a 5-7 year project.

Problem with that- in the next 7 years(thru 2020), the only major properties up for grab are:
Big Ten
NBA(though ESPN and Turner are favorites to retain)
maybe NFL if they do a TNF package.
maybe some Golf/Tennis(not sure about this)

It'd be 9 years before FS1 could get MNF possibly or 10 for SNF. NHL has like 8 years left. ACC, SEC locked up long term. MLB- having the ability to show weeknight baseball locked up for 8 years. To me, it's be more of a 10-15 year project quite frankly, and quite possibly they never get NFL(ESPN, NBC, CBS continue to redo their contracts prior to expiring), NBA(ESPN, Turner continue to redo contracts), or any of the other properties. It's why I think Fox is going to go full bore to get the Big Ten. I mean, I could easily see Fox offer the Big Ten like 500 million per year(35 mil per school) for all the tier 1/2 rights. It may be the only thing they could get their hands on for the next 8-10 years.

Wouldn't Fox be bidding against themselves since they own 50% of the BTN?

BTN is primarily Tier 3 games. ESPN controls most of Tier 1/2 games.

Fox really needs the Tier 1 games for the Big Ten. This could be a typical Saturday in the fall for Fox Sports 1:

Noon ET: Big Ten Football
3:30 PM ET: Big Ten/Big 12 Football
7:00 PM ET: Big 12/Pac 12 Football
10:30 PM ET: Pac 12 Football

That still gives the Big Ten and Pac 12 networks at least five other games each from which to choose.

If Fox still has rights to C-USA, those could go on Fox Sports 2. Since the SEC Network opens up a slot on the FSN platform, C-USA would also be seen in primetime on Fox Sports South, Southwest, and Carolinas. Some RSNs in neighboring markets may even pick those games up, as C-USA has been on Fox Sports Ohio even after Cincinnati left.

Generally speaking, the noon game on ESPN is a tier 2 game. The tier 1 games are generally either the 3:30 or 8pm starts.

(08-21-2013 10:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 10:31 AM)Journeyman22 Wrote:  Sports broadcast rights will eventually allow FS1 and FS2 to catch up. They have deep pockets and it's a 5-7 year project.

Problem with that- in the next 7 years(thru 2020), the only major properties up for grab are:
Big Ten
NBA(though ESPN and Turner are favorites to retain)
maybe NFL if they do a TNF package.
maybe some Golf/Tennis(not sure about this)

It'd be 9 years before FS1 could get MNF possibly or 10 for SNF. NHL has like 8 years left. ACC, SEC locked up long term. MLB- having the ability to show weeknight baseball locked up for 8 years. To me, it's be more of a 10-15 year project quite frankly, and quite possibly they never get NFL(ESPN, NBC, CBS continue to redo their contracts prior to expiring), NBA(ESPN, Turner continue to redo contracts), or any of the other properties. It's why I think Fox is going to go full bore to get the Big Ten. I mean, I could easily see Fox offer the Big Ten like 500 million per year(35 mil per school) for all the tier 1/2 rights. It may be the only thing they could get their hands on for the next 8-10 years.

8-10 years is not that long when you are talking about building a TV network. They have other properties locked up for that time frame so it's not like they will just be shutting down because they can't get the NFL for 8-10 years. Don't you think they knew that going forward? They knew that and still started this network. They are clearly planning on still being around.

I'm guessing that Fox and ESPN work out some sort of split on the BigTen package. And I wouldn't be surprised if Fox "pays" for it by trading their 50% stake in BTN for it.

If Fox ever want to really compete with ESPN for dominance in college sports, they are going to need to buy at least part of the playoff, which isn't going to happen for at least 12 years.

Fox has enough content to get FS1 going, and they'll acquire some more. They are a little light on the basketball side. They only have 22 Pac12 games, not sure how many Big12 games, but think it is a similar amount. They have plenty of Big East games, but a lot of those games don't really belong on FS1, they belong on FS2. Providence versus DePaul isn't going to go head to head with Syracuse versus Duke very well. That's not really a knock on the Big East, it's more of a result of FS1 putting second and third tier Big East games on their national channel.

I don't think they really have enough for FS2. You need a lot of secondary stuff for that, stuff like the CWS, midmajor basketball, and non AQ football. Maybe they buy the FCS postseason, not sure how long the current deal with ESPN for the playoff is.

8-10 is bare minimum. Generally speaking in sports, if you have the property currently, you get the first chance to redo the deal. You say, well fox stole the NFC from CBS. This is true. But, that was in a different era. Now, with how huge the NFL has gotten, NBC, CBS, or ESPN won't let the NFL go. Eventually FS1 has got to get more properties.

(08-25-2013 12:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  8-10 is bare minimum. Generally speaking in sports, if you have the property currently, you get the first chance to redo the deal. You say, well fox stole the NFC from CBS. This is true. But, that was in a different era. Now, with how huge the NFL has gotten, NBC, CBS, or ESPN won't let the NFL go. Eventually FS1 has got to get more properties.

What was the alternative for the Big East? They were facing reduced exposure on ESPN with Syracuse and Pitt gone anyway. The only way the catholic schools were going to get any money was by doing what they did.

(08-25-2013 12:12 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(08-25-2013 12:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  8-10 is bare minimum. Generally speaking in sports, if you have the property currently, you get the first chance to redo the deal. You say, well fox stole the NFC from CBS. This is true. But, that was in a different era. Now, with how huge the NFL has gotten, NBC, CBS, or ESPN won't let the NFL go. Eventually FS1 has got to get more properties.

What was the alternative for the Big East? They were facing reduced exposure on ESPN with Syracuse and Pitt gone anyway. The only way the catholic schools were going to get any money was by doing what they did.

I don't know that ESPN would have given the Big East less exposure at all. I mean, look at the package that the AAC has gotten. I know the Big East would have gotten better than that- not to mention they would have still been able to get some exposure with CBS.

It'll be interesting to see what the basketball schedule is like. Should be out within the next week or two.