Please feel free to move this if appropriate but I figured people would find this interesting.

ECU -12.5 according to 5dimes.com. http://www.5dimes.eu/livelines/livelines.aspx#al_28

Disclaimer: They do have the date wrong.

Take the Pirates and the points.

I'd love to be wrong, but my wallet says otherwise (for entertainment purposes only).

Doesn't Vegas want the public to take ECU by setting it so low and under 2 TD's?

vegas wants both sides bet equally...if all the money goes to ecu now...the line will raise until comparable numbers come in on odu side...

I've not seen ODU play... ever. With that said, it would be absurd for me to state that this game will be this-or-that but I do FEEL as if this game will resemble last year's App State game.

Y'all will be better that that App team. However, we will be much better than we were last season.

I'll consider this game a success if we can hold your team to 20 points during any meaningful periods of play AND score 43 against your D.

I would take ECU and the points. ECU wins this one by at least three TDs.

Thanks God the game is at night!

I'd take ECU and the points. Have no confidence in ODU's defense to stop ECU's offense.

(08-03-2013 12:55 PM)Niner National Wrote:  I'd take ECU and the points. Have no confidence in ODU's defense to stop ECU's offense.

Neither do any honest ODU fans. With a new defensive coordinator and a ton of new players, the quality of the unit is a complete unknown.

(08-03-2013 01:03 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(08-03-2013 12:55 PM)Niner National Wrote:  I'd take ECU and the points. Have no confidence in ODU's defense to stop ECU's offense.

Neither do any honest ODU fans. With a new defensive coordinator and a ton of new players, the quality of the unit is a complete unknown.

Yeah, I mean I think your offense will do fine against ECU, but I just don't see a team that has had only one year to recruit FBS level players having the size and speed necessary to top an offense as good at what ECU should have.

Best of luck to ODU though. I'll be rooting for you.

And our offense will likely be tired by the end of the game. I believe we will score a few times, but it may take long drawn out drives. Then our D will,take the field and ECU could score in 3 or 4 plays. Puts our O back on with no rest. A 12 point loss would nearly be a victory.

Damn. Pirates and points looks like a sure thing.

(08-03-2013 12:45 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  I've not seen ODU play... ever. With that said, it would be absurd for me to state that this game will be this-or-that but I do FEEL as if this game will resemble last year's App State game.

Y'all will be better that that App team. However, we will be much better than we were last season.

I'll consider this game a success if we can hold your team to 20 points during any meaningful periods of play AND score 43 against your D.

I would take ECU and the points. ECU wins this one by at least three TDs.

Thanks God the game is at night!

Well Ned, I have been to all but two of ODU's home games, and I have to admit that as much as I am a rabid ODU fan, and as good as I think they are on offense, I just do not know how the Monarchs will stack up against ECU. After watching two spring scrimmages and the spring game, I came away convinced that the defense is fairly impressively improved, but I have no way of gauging that against ECU.

I will say this. We ODU fans are looking forward to this game, can't wait to get to Greenville, from all indications will be there in force, and believe pretty strongly that ODU will make it much closer than a three TD loss -- and maybe -- just maybe -- there could be a stunning upset on the horizon.

First-week college lines always make me queasy because you have nothing but preseason talk, history and tradition to go off of. Particularly in a game like this where there's not a single common opponent in the recent past. But there's no way the line stays at -12. It's really hard to imagine a defense that gave up 61 in regulation to New Hampshire last season not struggling in their first look at an FBS offense. Even with a new coordinator and new faces on the field, I don't especially like their chances of holding them down for more than two series in a row.

Curious about the O/U. I could see the over being a value bet if the consensus is that ODU's offense isn't ready for FBS prime time, because I could see this being some sort of 69-46 type of game.

In my former life when I gambled, this is what I termed as a "don't make sense" number.

Wouldn't touch it and is almost guaranteed to go to the 17'-20' range....would be shocked if it stays below 17. It is not unusual for lines to move drastically in the early going.

disclaimer...my opinion has only to do with perception of numbers relative to the teams involved....not how the teams will actually perform

edit: however, if you can make the bet now, it would provide a nice opportunity for a 'middle' bet down the road. It works like this....take ECU -12 and ODU +(future increased movement). 13, 14, 16, and 17 are good numbers to win it both ways. Basically, you lay 100.00 with the potential of winning 2K with a dime bet on each side....just sayin'

(08-03-2013 01:42 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  In my former life when I gambled, this is what I termed as a "don't make sense" number.

Wouldn't touch it and is almost guaranteed to go to the 17'-20' range....would be shocked if it stays below 17. It is not unusual for lines to move drastically in the early going.

disclaimer...my opinion has only to do with perception of numbers relative to the teams involved....not how the teams will actually perform

I've seen those nonsensical numbers before, presuming they would skyrocket to the level I would assume it belonged ... and then it wouldn't. Then the team I presumed would cover or beat said line with ease wouldn't. Games like that scare me off of gambling actual do-re-mi money, because clearly people are knowing stuff that I don't.

But I really can't imagine half of the gambling public thinking ODU can beat a -12 on the road in their first game against an FBS team.

(08-03-2013 01:45 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-03-2013 01:42 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  In my former life when I gambled, this is what I termed as a "don't make sense" number.

Wouldn't touch it and is almost guaranteed to go to the 17'-20' range....would be shocked if it stays below 17. It is not unusual for lines to move drastically in the early going.

disclaimer...my opinion has only to do with perception of numbers relative to the teams involved....not how the teams will actually perform

I've seen those nonsensical numbers before, presuming they would skyrocket to the level I would assume it belonged ... and then it wouldn't. Then the team I presumed would cover or beat said line with ease wouldn't. Games like that scare me off of gambling actual do-re-mi money, because clearly people are knowing stuff that I don't.

But I really can't imagine half of the gambling public thinking ODU can beat a -12 on the road in their first game against an FBS team.

I concur...see my edit to previous post. I won two of these on super bowls alone (still love Dyson falling inches short of the goal line)....the only type of bet I make anymore. I'm a 'don't pass' player that bets the numbers and hopes the guy throws for 20 minutes w/o crapping out.

edit: definitely be leery of the line that doesn't move at the end of the year (to your point about presumption)

(08-03-2013 01:53 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-03-2013 01:45 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-03-2013 01:42 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  In my former life when I gambled, this is what I termed as a "don't make sense" number.

Wouldn't touch it and is almost guaranteed to go to the 17'-20' range....would be shocked if it stays below 17. It is not unusual for lines to move drastically in the early going.

disclaimer...my opinion has only to do with perception of numbers relative to the teams involved....not how the teams will actually perform

I've seen those nonsensical numbers before, presuming they would skyrocket to the level I would assume it belonged ... and then it wouldn't. Then the team I presumed would cover or beat said line with ease wouldn't. Games like that scare me off of gambling actual do-re-mi money, because clearly people are knowing stuff that I don't.

But I really can't imagine half of the gambling public thinking ODU can beat a -12 on the road in their first game against an FBS team.

I concur...see my edit to previous post. I won two of these on super bowls alone (still love Dyson falling inches short of the goal line)....the only type of bet I make anymore. I'm a 'don't pass' player that bets the numbers and hopes the guy throws for 20 minutes w/o crapping out.

edit: definitely be leery of the line that doesn't move at the end of the year (to your point about presumption)

Definitely a smart way to play it if you're convinced it's going to be a 14-17 point game and the line hits 20 or something. On the other hand, I'm figuring it's either a four-TD or worse beating, or a surprisingly close game that maybe doesn't hit -12 after all. First games have the potential to be so goofy.

(08-03-2013 03:32 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-03-2013 01:53 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-03-2013 01:45 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-03-2013 01:42 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  In my former life when I gambled, this is what I termed as a "don't make sense" number.

Wouldn't touch it and is almost guaranteed to go to the 17'-20' range....would be shocked if it stays below 17. It is not unusual for lines to move drastically in the early going.

disclaimer...my opinion has only to do with perception of numbers relative to the teams involved....not how the teams will actually perform

I've seen those nonsensical numbers before, presuming they would skyrocket to the level I would assume it belonged ... and then it wouldn't. Then the team I presumed would cover or beat said line with ease wouldn't. Games like that scare me off of gambling actual do-re-mi money, because clearly people are knowing stuff that I don't.

But I really can't imagine half of the gambling public thinking ODU can beat a -12 on the road in their first game against an FBS team.

I concur...see my edit to previous post. I won two of these on super bowls alone (still love Dyson falling inches short of the goal line)....the only type of bet I make anymore. I'm a 'don't pass' player that bets the numbers and hopes the guy throws for 20 minutes w/o crapping out.

edit: definitely be leery of the line that doesn't move at the end of the year (to your point about presumption)

Definitely a smart way to play it if you're convinced it's going to be a 14-17 point game and the line hits 20 or something. On the other hand, I'm figuring it's either a four-TD or worse beating, or a surprisingly close game that maybe doesn't hit -12 after all. First games have the potential to be so goofy.

You have to hit one out of twenty to basically break even. I like those odds. The key is to have two locals that move lines base on their players that will take dime plays. ...happens more than you think

These opportunities realistically only happen a handful of times a year. You also have to take the risk of finding one that takes Tuesday plays and not just on game day. Sometimes the line doesn't move and you have to eat the vig.

After 35 years of betting all types (parlay, teasers, straight, money lines), it is the only type of play I make today. I'm never confident about it hitting with regularity....just betting I can do it 1 out of 10 times which yields a net gain of 2.2K over a 20 game span...if 0-fer, then one would lose 2K over that time period. If one hits once, the yield is +100

...just think about how many times they come within a point or two of the spread....now think about having a couple of books that give you that option...fk the action....just play the odds...also found it works better in the NFL...the key is having multiple books that manipulate the number

FB team is full steam ahead with their sites on ODU.

(08-03-2013 04:45 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

FB team is full steam ahead with their sites on ODU.

I'm sorry but how is a coach's comments proof that they won't overlook ODU. It's coach speak, any other response would be wrong and he knows that. I'm sure Lloyd Carr and Frank Beamer said all the right things before Appy and JMU came to visit. I'm not saying ECU will overlook them, but a coach's words don't offer any indication one way or the other.

Also, sights.

My guess is the public pushes this above 17 and the sharps come back in and buy in last minute.