(08-01-2013 07:02 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  I wanna hear what DiehardHuskie yells at Fleck when he comes out of the visitor's locker room at Huskie Stadium.

Already been thinking about it, Bob.

(08-02-2013 01:06 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 07:02 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  I wanna hear what DiehardHuskie yells at Fleck when he comes out of the visitor's locker room at Huskie Stadium.

Already been thinking about it, Bob.

"Go Fleck yourself!"

(08-02-2013 11:34 AM)7 Wrote:  

(08-02-2013 11:22 AM)Turner4Heisman Wrote:  7- DD left after having the most successful 1.9 seasons!

Everyone is mad at Fleck because he was the 'golden boy'. I get it, people take it personally. But he did what he felt was best for him and his future.

Which he himself said because he wants to be the star of the show.

Which quote is this?

(08-02-2013 12:08 PM)Max Power Wrote:  The conventional wisdom at the time of the MACC was that Kent had a chance but NIU didn't. The MACC ESPN broadcasters were all saying that Kent's hopes had been dashed when the game was over and made no mention of NIU having a chance, because even if the dominoes that had to fall did, it still was going to be close. And even after the dominoes did fall and up to the minute the announcement was made, many BCS projections like CBS/Jerry Palm's had NIU out.

Doeren didn't study NC State game tape when he should've been prepping for the MACC and he didn't poach NIU's recruits when he left. Yes, he didn't coach NIU in the bowl game, and did for Wisconsin in theirs, but I think that's different. Having Doeren be the head coach in the OB while everyone knows he's already out the door may be a bad idea anyway. You don't want to have as your head coach a guy who accepted an offer elsewhere. It's probably best to make a clean break. Doeren staying as DC at Wisky for the RB wasn't as problematic because the DC isn't in such a leadership role. And remember he was juggling his NIU duties while prepping for the RB too.

Fleck is nuts. Reminds me a little of Ron Zook, the smooth talking recruiting guru who last I read is selling bank securities. I'm still not clear on why he didn't want to be the OC. I figured it was salary or loyalty to Schiano but now it sounds like it was too much pressure and media spotlight to be the OC here. But it doesn't seem like he shies away from attention.

We do not know this, nor do we know what Kill did or did not do as fact.

I liked DD as much as the next guy, but bottom line is he left before the season was over just like Kill.

That's only the bottom line if you're an idiot.

(08-02-2013 03:07 PM)7 Wrote:  That's only the bottom line if you're an idiot.

I forgot 7 is the know all be all of everything. Coaches leaving are coaches leaving. Both left before the season ended. End O' Subject.

And you probably dont remember PJ doing well since you were what 8 you little twerp.

(08-02-2013 01:12 PM)Turner4Heisman Wrote:  

(08-02-2013 12:08 PM)Max Power Wrote:  The conventional wisdom at the time of the MACC was that Kent had a chance but NIU didn't. The MACC ESPN broadcasters were all saying that Kent's hopes had been dashed when the game was over and made no mention of NIU having a chance, because even if the dominoes that had to fall did, it still was going to be close. And even after the dominoes did fall and up to the minute the announcement was made, many BCS projections like CBS/Jerry Palm's had NIU out.

Doeren didn't study NC State game tape when he should've been prepping for the MACC and he didn't poach NIU's recruits when he left. Yes, he didn't coach NIU in the bowl game, and did for Wisconsin in theirs, but I think that's different. Having Doeren be the head coach in the OB while everyone knows he's already out the door may be a bad idea anyway. You don't want to have as your head coach a guy who accepted an offer elsewhere. It's probably best to make a clean break. Doeren staying as DC at Wisky for the RB wasn't as problematic because the DC isn't in such a leadership role. And remember he was juggling his NIU duties while prepping for the RB too.

Fleck is nuts. Reminds me a little of Ron Zook, the smooth talking recruiting guru who last I read is selling bank securities. I'm still not clear on why he didn't want to be the OC. I figured it was salary or loyalty to Schiano but now it sounds like it was too much pressure and media spotlight to be the OC here. But it doesn't seem like he shies away from attention.

We do not know this, nor do we know what Kill did or did not do as fact.

I liked DD as much as the next guy, but bottom line is he left before the season was over just like Kill.

Turner4Heisman their departures are not even in the same galaxy. Kill did not care one bit about the MACC, you could see that plain as day, he cost us that game. Doeren also met with the players and told them before anyone else knew. They didn't hear about it from a text from someone else. While Doeren like every coach has to look for his next career opportunity, I do believe he genuinely loved the Huskies. Coach Doeren propelled the Huskies into the BCS also IMO. He is the one that devised the Heisman campaign, and I don't think NIU is in the BCS without that campaign last year. Showing up to support the team in Miami, also classy. Kill was a vulture.

(08-02-2013 11:21 AM)Turner4Heisman Wrote:  I know a lot of pieces still had to fall into place on Saturday, but it was still something that was a fairly decent possibility based on the results we needed.

And yes I am the first to blame the system, that it is friggin absurd that coaches leave before the season is technically over. Regardless of the bowls being exhibitions so to speak, they mean a lot to programs and I am sure the kids.

Sure he is coming from a MAC school and likely had little leverage, but if they wanted him that bad they could have waited until even sunday. If we get in the Orange Bowl, stay and coach, if we get sent somewhere stupid, see ya later.

The system is certainly absurd, no doubt, when a coach leaves before the postseason.

Many of us that watched the 2010 game felt that we were not prepared, the team just did not look like the team that was on the field the rest of the year. And, it had been like 27 years since we'd won a MACC, and the previous attempt fell short in 2005. For all we knew 2010 would be our one and only shot at a MACC for a while.

Doeren got us not 1 but 2 MACCs after not accomplishing it for almost 3 decades. And 1 bowl win too.

As for PJ, at this point I'm kinda glad he left. I can see where DD would be mad after 1 day, if he said things he didn't mean he had a much better excuse. I'm not sure I could deal with PJ as coach for very long, the antics would get old. And I don't think PJ has any thought of being a Huskie in reality. He just has thoughts of getting ahead - which is fine as far as that goes.

(08-02-2013 04:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  As for PJ, at this point I'm kinda glad he left. I can see where DD would be mad after 1 day, if he said things he didn't mean he had a much better excuse. I'm not sure I could deal with PJ as coach for very long, the antics would get old. And I don't think PJ has any thought of being a Huskie in reality. He just has thoughts of getting ahead - which is fine as far as that goes.

Looking at his start at WMU as an indication, I think opinions would already be divided on him if he had stayed and had the Carey rise. We'd be happy with him because he's our guy, happy with the recruiting. But he's a committed pro-style offense guy and we'd be looking at at least the beginnings of transitioning to that, which would be controversial. It's hard to say how much of the staff he would have retained versus bringing in Rutgers cronies- would we still have Nieman on staff for example? We'd be more forgiving of the silly antics, but his apparent lack of self-awareness of how much of a parody he is would still be shining through.

(08-02-2013 07:46 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(08-02-2013 04:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  As for PJ, at this point I'm kinda glad he left. I can see where DD would be mad after 1 day, if he said things he didn't mean he had a much better excuse. I'm not sure I could deal with PJ as coach for very long, the antics would get old. And I don't think PJ has any thought of being a Huskie in reality. He just has thoughts of getting ahead - which is fine as far as that goes.

Looking at his start at WMU as an indication, I think opinions would already be divided on him if he had stayed and had the Carey rise. We'd be happy with him because he's our guy, happy with the recruiting. But he's a committed pro-style offense guy and we'd be looking at at least the beginnings of transitioning to that, which would be controversial. It's hard to say how much of the staff he would have retained versus bringing in Rutgers cronies- would we still have Nieman on staff for example? We'd be more forgiving of the silly antics, but his apparent lack of self-awareness of how much of a parody he is would still be shining through.

Put it in plain English.
If he was here, we would love him.
But he's not, and from a lot of our viewpoints, he's making a fool of himself.

(08-02-2013 07:46 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(08-02-2013 04:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  As for PJ, at this point I'm kinda glad he left. I can see where DD would be mad after 1 day, if he said things he didn't mean he had a much better excuse. I'm not sure I could deal with PJ as coach for very long, the antics would get old. And I don't think PJ has any thought of being a Huskie in reality. He just has thoughts of getting ahead - which is fine as far as that goes.

Looking at his start at WMU as an indication, I think opinions would already be divided on him if he had stayed and had the Carey rise. We'd be happy with him because he's our guy, happy with the recruiting. But he's a committed pro-style offense guy and we'd be looking at at least the beginnings of transitioning to that, which would be controversial. It's hard to say how much of the staff he would have retained versus bringing in Rutgers cronies- would we still have Nieman on staff for example? We'd be more forgiving of the silly antics, but his apparent lack of self-awareness of how much of a parody he is would still be shining through.

Put it in plain English.
If he was here, we would love him.
But he's not, and from a lot of our viewpoints, he's making a fool of himself.

PJ Fleck has turned into a goofball.
Seeing pics of Jerry Kill in Huskie gear is creepy to me.
I like Doeren and have no issues with him.

DD really screwed himself though. He would have gotten the Wisconsin job and now he is in the mediocre ACC at the powerful NC State!

College football coaches are basically politicians....they say what they say to affect perception of them RIGHT NOW and worry about spinning stuff later. And just like politicians, you should not fall in love with them.

You're letting yourself down if you expect a whole lot of either.

I am impressed with PJ's energy and focus. The "row the boat" philosphy as he explains it makes perfect sense. He may be over the top in expressing his ideas, but if the guy can coach he will be in the BCS in three years. In the meantime his one man show marketing department for WMU football has to be making his AD and school president quite happy.

(08-03-2013 03:10 PM)niu79 Wrote:  I am impressed with PJ's energy and focus. The "row the boat" philosphy as he explains it makes perfect sense. He may be over the top in expressing his ideas, but if the guy can coach he will be in the BCS in three years. In the meantime his one man show marketing department for WMU football has to be making his AD and school president quite happy.

I think its just way way way too premature to even talk about PJ's next job. He has too much Ozzie Guillen in him to last long. Anyone that obsessed with getting all the attention will never last.

Everyone on this board who dislikes / hates / mistrusts PJ are the ones convinced he's "obsessed with getting all the attention." Neutral observers see him trying something off the wall to gain attention for Western Michigan's football program. And it's pretty obvious that the folks in Kalamazoo or the outside college football world (preseason magazines, websites, bloggers, analysts, etc.) are noticing and taking a wait-and-see approach. Only time will tell.

(08-03-2013 03:46 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-03-2013 03:10 PM)niu79 Wrote:  I am impressed with PJ's energy and focus. The "row the boat" philosphy as he explains it makes perfect sense. He may be over the top in expressing his ideas, but if the guy can coach he will be in the BCS in three years. In the meantime his one man show marketing department for WMU football has to be making his AD and school president quite happy.

I think its just way way way too premature to even talk about PJ's next job. He has too much Ozzie Guillen in him to last long. Anyone that obsessed with getting all the attention will never last.

Nothing premature at all. If he can get the job done o the field, he will not last long at WMU.

(08-03-2013 04:09 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Everyone on this board who dislikes / hates / mistrusts PJ are the ones convinced he's "obsessed with getting all the attention." Neutral observers see him trying something off the wall to gain attention for Western Michigan's football program. And it's pretty obvious that the folks in Kalamazoo or the outside college football world (preseason magazines, websites, bloggers, analysts, etc.) are noticing and taking a wait-and-see approach. Only time will tell.

It seems to me that you're the most obsessed with PJ.

I hold no ill will towards PJ until they strap it up vs. NIU. Other than that I'm not sure why we're even talking about it.