For perspective this facility cost nearly as much as the very nice new stadiums found in Boca and Denton.

the barber shop looks WAY out of place. It is all uber modern, then they drop in a chromed out 40's Koken barber chair. Oh wait, it's chrome so that's ok. I have a similar one that I'm putting the finishing touches on. Mine is white porcelain with red leather seats.

Going to be the best seat in the house on saturday's for sure!

And this is why a pair of Nike shoes cost $179.99 now. The same pair of air max shoes I bought 2-3 years ago for $100 are not $179.99? Like it or not anyone wearing Nike is a booster to Oregon athletics. Even their competition is in a round about way funding Oregon's teams. Pretty redicuolous.

(08-01-2013 10:54 AM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  And this is why a pair of Nike shoes cost $179.99 now. The same pair of air max shoes I bought 2-3 years ago for $100 are not $179.99? Like it or not anyone wearing Nike is a booster to Oregon athletics. Even their competition is in a round about way funding Oregon's teams. Pretty redicuolous.

Which is one of the reasons why I do not wear....wait that isn't correct. I will not buy Nike gear period unless it is giving to me....lol

(07-31-2013 06:29 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 06:09 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I'm under the understanding that Nike founder and CEO, as well as Oregon grad, Phil Knight paid for every penny of it.

Tax exempt laws have been entirely maintained.

You can't tell someone how to spend their money, especially if they are following the law.

I'll concede that you can't tell someone how to spend their money. However, schools like Oregon (and almost all of the P5 schools actually) are now earning upwards of $22M-25 Million PER YEAR just off of their TV contracts alone. That doesn't include annual bowl revenue, season ticket revenue, apparel sales, et al. These are dollars driven in the "entertainment" business, pure and simple. And the recipients (the schools) should be taxed accordingly.

By the way, I would argue that schools that have HUGE benefactors routinely donating to their SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT business (a/k/a their athletic departments) --such like Phil Nike at Oregon and T Boone Pickens at Okla State --as well as a few others-- should be subject to a "windfall profits tax", or at least an "Entertainment" tax. The fact is, these schools are now actively providing a competitive entertainment product designed to compete for TV ratings and garner "market share" for the TV networks, etc... That BUSINESS, not education. It shoud be taxed accordingly.

The real turning point will happen when we see college football games on TV start taking market share from the NFL --or some other tax paying professional league (MLB, NBA, etc...). That's when the crap will really hit the fan. The professional leagues will argue that the colleges have a competitive advantage over the NFL (for example) because the colleges in the "entertainment" busines don't pay income taxes and the NFL DOES!!!

Some won't notice how big of an issue this stuff has become until we start seeing college games on Pay-Per-View, with the P5 schools gaining more of a profit from it and yet still claiming it's for education.

(07-31-2013 05:24 PM)monarchman Wrote:  Love the barbershop

Well, looks like those sanctions won't be such a close shave after all...

(07-31-2013 06:09 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I'm under the understanding that Nike founder and CEO, as well as Oregon grad, Phil Knight paid for every penny of it.

Tax exempt laws have been entirely maintained.

You can't tell someone how to spend their money, especially if they are following the law.

That facility is a work of art, and i'm super jealous.

He's right. Sucks, but he's right.

Now all you f*ckers go buy your team's Nike gear so Oregon can have gold plated toilet paper.

(07-31-2013 06:29 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 06:09 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I'm under the understanding that Nike founder and CEO, as well as Oregon grad, Phil Knight paid for every penny of it.

Tax exempt laws have been entirely maintained.

You can't tell someone how to spend their money, especially if they are following the law.

I'll concede that you can't tell someone how to spend their money. However, schools like Oregon (and almost all of the P5 schools actually) are now earning upwards of $22M-25 Million PER YEAR just off of their TV contracts alone. That doesn't include annual bowl revenue, season ticket revenue, apparel sales, et al. These are dollars driven in the "entertainment" business, pure and simple. And the recipients (the schools) should be taxed accordingly.

By the way, I would argue that schools that have HUGE benefactors routinely donating to their SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT business (a/k/a their athletic departments) --such like Phil Nike at Oregon and T Boone Pickens at Okla State --as well as a few others-- should be subject to a "windfall profits tax", or at least an "Entertainment" tax. The fact is, these schools are now actively providing a competitive entertainment product designed to compete for TV ratings and garner "market share" for the TV networks, etc... That BUSINESS, not education. It shoud be taxed accordingly.

The real turning point will happen when we see college football games on TV start taking market share from the NFL --or some other tax paying professional league (MLB, NBA, etc...). That's when the crap will really hit the fan. The professional leagues will argue that the colleges have a competitive advantage over the NFL (for example) because the colleges in the "entertainment" busines don't pay income taxes and the NFL DOES!!!

The NFL is a nonprofit entity that exists to "promote the game of football", it is not taxed on its profits. The individual teams however are operate as for profit businesses.

I don't have an issue with the level of luxury they have... that is the way it is. I wonder about the services they are providing.

Do most schools have private cafeterias for athletes?

What was that case about the student washing his car with university water. How is that an issue but a private barber and a private cafeteria is just fine?

That is way out. I love it. They're reaching for the best athletes that's for sure and how many wouldn't for digs like those? I know I'd be swallowing that hook faster than a bass to goldfish. All they need now is a national fb trophy and with this they just might get the best players.

I'm jealous.

Short version: This is beyond ridiculous on so many levels.

Long version: Someone touched on it a little bit already, but how in the world can PUBLIC school sports programs be receiving all this money (not just Oregon) and yet education budgets are being slashed all over the place?

We can all argue both sides of the private money angle, however, as long as this amount of private money flows into publicly funded schools, there is a blatant conflict of interest since the athletics are just part of a larger entity that is the school itself.

If the University of Oregon (for example) didn't exist, there would be no football team to spend this money on.

I know many will disagree, but look where this is taking us. In Allen, TX, they are building a $60 million HIGH SCHOOL football stadium. I realize that there are a lot of students at this school, and that the public voted for it. It's also a little different than the Oregon situation since the high school example is using taxpayer money, but the idea remains the same.

Here is where the problem exists:
Carroll points out the money being used for the stadium and the performing arts center could not be used for anything else.
"In Texas, funding is completely separate between capital projects and general (education) fund," he said. "If we don't build the stadium, none of that money could go to teachers or classrooms."

It's this type of mentality whereby athletic departments can make all kinds of cash, but the educational side (which is why the school exists in the first place) are being vastly shortchanged. It's pretty disgusting to me.

To solve this problem, I suggest there be a national law that requires private gifts to any publicly funded educational entity be tied by percentage (start with 50/50) to require gifts to affect education BEFORE gifts specifically intended for sports programs can be given. Purely academic gifts would be unaffected.

The way the law is applied to the Allen, TX school should be reversed 180 degrees. Oregon (and others) are doing the same thing this high school is and ultimately, we are more entertained, and dumber as a nation.

To solve this problem, I suggest there be a national law that requires private gifts to any publicly funded educational entity be tied by percentage (start with 50/50) to require gifts to affect education BEFORE gifts specifically intended for sports programs can be given. Purely academic gifts would be unaffected. (quote)


This!^^^

Amazing

(08-01-2013 01:20 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  To solve this problem, I suggest there be a national law that requires private gifts to any publicly funded educational entity be tied by percentage (start with 50/50) to require gifts to affect education BEFORE gifts specifically intended for sports programs can be given. Purely academic gifts would be unaffected. (quote)


This!^^^

I hope you don't claim to be a fan of smaller government...

(07-31-2013 08:43 PM)banker Wrote:  At a minimum, donations by Knight etal for a facility like this should not be tax deductible. Donations to universities are tax deductible because they are intended to advance the educational mission of the university. This is not for that purpose.

I guarantee you that Knight did not give the university one dollar. He probably build it for them like he did the stadium expansion for which they saw no blueprints.

Knight has an army of lawyers to make sure he doesnt cross the line. And nobody will look at the tax exempt laws because changing them would adversely affect State U.

(08-01-2013 03:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 01:20 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  To solve this problem, I suggest there be a national law that requires private gifts to any publicly funded educational entity be tied by percentage (start with 50/50) to require gifts to affect education BEFORE gifts specifically intended for sports programs can be given. Purely academic gifts would be unaffected. (quote)


This!^^^

I hope you don't claim to be a fan of smaller government...

Not sure exactly where you're going with it. I consider myself an independent. I rail against stupidity and ignorance whenever and wherever I can. Don't even get me started on Congress.

(08-01-2013 01:20 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  To solve this problem, I suggest there be a national law that requires private gifts to any publicly funded educational entity be tied by percentage (start with 50/50) to require gifts to affect education BEFORE gifts specifically intended for sports programs can be given. Purely academic gifts would be unaffected. (quote)

This!^^^

Make it all 50/50. Why should donations help academia and not sports. Academia is supported by other sources normally so only fair to even things up.
We know that will never happen, but neither should a 50/50 mandatory be placed on sports giving.

(08-01-2013 09:36 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 01:20 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  To solve this problem, I suggest there be a national law that requires private gifts to any publicly funded educational entity be tied by percentage (start with 50/50) to require gifts to affect education BEFORE gifts specifically intended for sports programs can be given. Purely academic gifts would be unaffected. (quote)

This!^^^

Make it all 50/50. Why should donations help academia and not sports. Academia is supported by other sources normally so only fair to even things up.
We know that will never happen, but neither should a 50/50 mandatory be placed on sports giving.

Disagree on both points.

Donations to academia shouldn't be required to help sports because the school could exist without the sports, not the other way around and because sports are an appendage of the larger educational body that is the institution which allows the sports team to exist.

Why shouldn't such a law be passed? I want to understand your reasoning for it.

(08-01-2013 10:02 PM)pir84evr Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 09:36 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-01-2013 01:20 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  To solve this problem, I suggest there be a national law that requires private gifts to any publicly funded educational entity be tied by percentage (start with 50/50) to require gifts to affect education BEFORE gifts specifically intended for sports programs can be given. Purely academic gifts would be unaffected. (quote)

This!^^^

Make it all 50/50. Why should donations help academia and not sports. Academia is supported by other sources normally so only fair to even things up.
We know that will never happen, but neither should a 50/50 mandatory be placed on sports giving.

Disagree on both points.

Donations to academia shouldn't be required to help sports because the school could exist without the sports, not the other way around and because sports are an appendage of the larger educational body that is the institution which allows the sports team to exist.

Why shouldn't such a law be passed? I want to understand your reasoning for it.

If I want to give $200 or $200,000,000 to my alma mater's athletic department, I don't need the government to tell me where it can or can't go, furthermore, you're not getting it passed to cover privates and then you've created a competitive advantage for the private schools.

Would have been impressed but they had foosball tables instead of ping pong tables.