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RE: Ticket City's 1st Annual Ranking of "Most Engaged Football Fans"
(08-02-2013 08:23 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 07:58 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  If JMU Nation can't sell out a home game against ODU, where there was a revenge factor and a potential playoff spot on the line, I don't see the fans wetting their collective FB pants for a chance to play Duke or whatever other bottom-feeding FCS team JMU can sign to play at the current BFS. Attendance for the ODU game (some 18k+) did exceed the attendance for the game against ASU, but it was still very disappointing to witness. And pullleeesseee...don't come back with excuses that the ODU game was cold, or close to Thanksgiving and students weren't on campus.

I'm not dismissing the fact FCS may well be in JMU's future...and I hope it helps generate even greater interest in JMU and JMU FB, but I just don't see low-level FCS FB as a magic pill that will somehow generate increased attendance and an even better game-day atmosphere (which is already pretty darn special) at BFS. Only one thing will do it, and that's winning.
1) I'm sorry, but Duke is still a BCS program. I have no doubt that a home game against Duke would still garner more interest than a home game against FCS ODU in November 2012 on Thanksgiving weekend. Don't give their fans the "honor" of being associated with Duke Football. They're still not even close.
2) The officially announced attendance for the ODU game was 23,051. You can argue that you saw 18k butts in seats until the cows come home, but it doesn't take away from the fact that there was 23k reported there. FWIW, just about every other school in the country, ODU included, use tickets sold as their "attendance". So 23k it was then. I watched an FIU home game last season that literally had maybe 100-200 actual fans in the stands, excluding the student band. It said 13,612 persons were in attendance... yeah, if you say so.

Sorry, but we'll just have to disagree about a hapless program like Duke, regardless of its classification, generating more interest amongst JMU FB fans than a strong in-state rival. Granted, Duke > St. Francis, but that's not saying much. Winning generates interest, and if it's a win over a state rival for bragging rights, then that's the best kind of win.

As for your second "point"...you seem to be arguing with yourself. You want to dismiss my statement that 18k were in attendance for ODU by claiming the official report was 23k+...yet then you counter your own argument by offered testimony that you attended a FIU game where the officially reported attendance was bogus. So where's the beef? We can agree about this...official attendance is what goes down in the stat book...but the reality (real butts in seats) was that there was probably only 18k+ in attendance for the last ODU vs. JMU FB game.
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(08-02-2013 08:50 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I do agree that our cheaper ticket packages could go up by a higher %, but still doubt a 100% increase.

That's the big unknown...what will the increase be? And as olddawg asked...is Carr testing this question with JMU fans? I haven't a clue...but they should be.

I doubt there will be an immediate 100% increase too...but a 20% raise...then a 35%...followed by a 50% raise in ticket costs? Incremental increases done in steps where today's $20 ticket costs $65 or $75 in 4-5 years?

Something's gotta give if JMU is to raise the $4-5 million needed to jump to FBS FB...and raising student fees isn't gonna happen (although increased enrollment of 1-3k will pad that side of the ledger). The Duke Club, endowing athletic scholarships (ala W&M), and higher ticket prices will have to bear the brunt of any increased jump in classification.
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(08-02-2013 08:58 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 08:23 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 07:58 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  If JMU Nation can't sell out a home game against ODU, where there was a revenge factor and a potential playoff spot on the line, I don't see the fans wetting their collective FB pants for a chance to play Duke or whatever other bottom-feeding FCS team JMU can sign to play at the current BFS. Attendance for the ODU game (some 18k+) did exceed the attendance for the game against ASU, but it was still very disappointing to witness. And pullleeesseee...don't come back with excuses that the ODU game was cold, or close to Thanksgiving and students weren't on campus.

I'm not dismissing the fact FCS may well be in JMU's future...and I hope it helps generate even greater interest in JMU and JMU FB, but I just don't see low-level FCS FB as a magic pill that will somehow generate increased attendance and an even better game-day atmosphere (which is already pretty darn special) at BFS. Only one thing will do it, and that's winning.
1) I'm sorry, but Duke is still a BCS program. I have no doubt that a home game against Duke would still garner more interest than a home game against FCS ODU in November 2012 on Thanksgiving weekend. Don't give their fans the "honor" of being associated with Duke Football. They're still not even close.
2) The officially announced attendance for the ODU game was 23,051. You can argue that you saw 18k butts in seats until the cows come home, but it doesn't take away from the fact that there was 23k reported there. FWIW, just about every other school in the country, ODU included, use tickets sold as their "attendance". So 23k it was then. I watched an FIU home game last season that literally had maybe 100-200 actual fans in the stands, excluding the student band. It said 13,612 persons were in attendance... yeah, if you say so.

Sorry, but we'll just have to disagree about a hapless program like Duke, regardless of its classification, generating more interest amongst JMU FB fans than a strong in-state rival. Granted, Duke > St. Francis, but that's not saying much. Winning generates interest, and if it's a win over a state rival for bragging rights, then that's the best kind of win.

As for your second "point"...you seem to be arguing with yourself. You want to dismiss my statement that 18k were in attendance for ODU by claiming the official report was 23k+...yet then you counter your own argument by offered testimony that you attended a FIU game where the officially reported attendance was bogus. So where's the beef? We can agree about this...official attendance is what goes down in the stat book...but the reality (real butts in seats) was that there was probably only 18k+ in attendance for the last ODU vs. JMU FB game.
so you're the same person that claims there will never be 15k or fewer crowds even if jmu is winning, yet you believe that jmu is significantly fudging their attendance numbers, much like 98% of the rest of the CFB world? So if we are required to subtract 5k from the announced attendance, that means that the announced 20,239 attendance of the Alcorn State game was in fact a 15k game.
It looks like your arguments are also arguing against themselves. It's laughable to think that Duke doesn't sound like a better opponent to the casual fan than Old Dominion, many of whom didn't even realize they had a football team.
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(08-02-2013 09:16 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 08:58 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 08:23 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 07:58 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  If JMU Nation can't sell out a home game against ODU, where there was a revenge factor and a potential playoff spot on the line, I don't see the fans wetting their collective FB pants for a chance to play Duke or whatever other bottom-feeding FCS team JMU can sign to play at the current BFS. Attendance for the ODU game (some 18k+) did exceed the attendance for the game against ASU, but it was still very disappointing to witness. And pullleeesseee...don't come back with excuses that the ODU game was cold, or close to Thanksgiving and students weren't on campus.

I'm not dismissing the fact FCS may well be in JMU's future...and I hope it helps generate even greater interest in JMU and JMU FB, but I just don't see low-level FCS FB as a magic pill that will somehow generate increased attendance and an even better game-day atmosphere (which is already pretty darn special) at BFS. Only one thing will do it, and that's winning.
1) I'm sorry, but Duke is still a BCS program. I have no doubt that a home game against Duke would still garner more interest than a home game against FCS ODU in November 2012 on Thanksgiving weekend. Don't give their fans the "honor" of being associated with Duke Football. They're still not even close.
2) The officially announced attendance for the ODU game was 23,051. You can argue that you saw 18k butts in seats until the cows come home, but it doesn't take away from the fact that there was 23k reported there. FWIW, just about every other school in the country, ODU included, use tickets sold as their "attendance". So 23k it was then. I watched an FIU home game last season that literally had maybe 100-200 actual fans in the stands, excluding the student band. It said 13,612 persons were in attendance... yeah, if you say so.

Sorry, but we'll just have to disagree about a hapless program like Duke, regardless of its classification, generating more interest amongst JMU FB fans than a strong in-state rival. Granted, Duke > St. Francis, but that's not saying much. Winning generates interest, and if it's a win over a state rival for bragging rights, then that's the best kind of win.

As for your second "point"...you seem to be arguing with yourself. You want to dismiss my statement that 18k were in attendance for ODU by claiming the official report was 23k+...yet then you counter your own argument by offered testimony that you attended a FIU game where the officially reported attendance was bogus. So where's the beef? We can agree about this...official attendance is what goes down in the stat book...but the reality (real butts in seats) was that there was probably only 18k+ in attendance for the last ODU vs. JMU FB game.
so you're the same person that claims there will never be 15k or fewer crowds even if jmu is winning, yet you believe that jmu is significantly fudging their attendance numbers, much like 98% of the rest of the CFB world? So if we are required to subtract 5k from the announced attendance, that means that the announced 20,239 attendance of the Alcorn State game was in fact a 15k game.
It looks like your arguments are also arguing against themselves. It's laughable to think that Duke doesn't sound like a better opponent to the casual fan than Old Dominion, many of whom didn't even realize they had a football team.

I'm not "claiming" anything. I just acknowledged that the method of official reports on attendance can diverge from the actual number of fans in the stands. That's not "news". So again, what's your beef?

I was at the Alcorn game, delayed by weather, and perhaps you were too. An amazing double rainbow was our reward for showing up. Yet I don't recall having formed an impression of what the actual "butts in seats" attendance might have been...certainly BFS wasn't full...but it wasn't important to me. It was simply an early season OOC game. So tell me again, what's your point? Duke would draw more than Alcorn? Yes, I would certainly hope so.

Yet why should any JMU FB fan be concerned with what the "casual fan" thinks a matchup "sounds" like? Because somehow, someone not a true fan of JMU, is watching on ESPN Sports Center and is more impressed with the name Duke over ODU? I think you've looped off into la-la land if you think that's 1) true 2) important, or 3) relevant to JMU's FB future.

Playing a lousy Duke FB team is not going to generate more interest among JMU fans than playing a strong regional rival like ODU. Now, if Duke's FB fortunes were miraculously reversed, and they came into BFS ranked and undefeated...that might stir up some real interest...even among the casual fan and ESPN. But back on planet Earth...were JMU and ODU fans dislike one another, and Duke FB is crappy...give me ODU at BFS any day of the week.
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(08-02-2013 08:41 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I think some big time move up to 1A football backers are going to be shocked at attendance decline when we move up! This is a pretty tight bunch when it comes to spending money. A lot of big talkers, but hold the money close to the vest. Hell, they won't even spend a couple of bucks to read the number one source of JMU football news, the DNR.

Ticket prices will double when we move up. So, people who have bought 4 season tickets will cut back to 2. Sad, but true. Sure, there will be some who ramp up their giving. But, it is a numbers game and there are lots of casual fans who buy tickets at today's bargain prices that won't come when tickets jump dramatically. The Law of Unintended Consequences.

So, we are going to need a lot of new people to fill those seats. The opponents we bring to BFS better be names that will draw.

I get your point and totally agree. I wonder how JMU seems to attract so many "tight with the wallet" people to come to JMU (I am not excluding myself from the frugality). I am very good friends with someone high up in JMU's Admin, and this person and spouse can easily be considered tighter than me in many ways. They will ask everyone they know for a ticket to the games rather than making a purchase, which they can clearly afford.
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(08-02-2013 09:40 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Yet why should any JMU FB fan be concerned with what the "casual fan" thinks a matchup "sounds" like? Because somehow, someone not a true fan of JMU, is watching on ESPN Sports Center and is more impressed with the name Duke over ODU? I think you've looped off into la-la land if you think that's 1) true 2) important, or 3) relevant to JMU's FB future.

Playing a lousy Duke FB team is not going to generate more interest among JMU fans than playing a strong regional rival like ODU. Now, if Duke's FB fortunes were miraculously reversed, and they came into BFS ranked and undefeated...that might stir up some real interest...even among the casual fan and ESPN. But back on planet Earth...were JMU and ODU fans dislike one another, and Duke FB is crappy...give me ODU at BFS any day of the week.

I would disagree about the "casual fan" assertion that you make. If JMU wants to be a top flight program they will need those casual fans to eventually become die hard fans in order to get there. I would compare this to MLS, and we'll use local team DC United as the comparison. DC United has a very strong and very loyal and very SMALL base of fans who come to games, rain or shine, good or bad. Its a solid base but it's never going to make DC United or MLS the kind of money to be able to get a top player like say Messi in his prime. Now, there is a much much larger group of fans who love soccer in the DC area that could fill a large stadium like FedEx and generate revenues that would compare to the best teams in Europe, but they are not into a 'second rate league' like MLS so they don't attend United games or spend money on DC merchandise. But these same people will gladly fork over $100s to see a top European team in a preseason 'friendly' in person and spend $100s a year in subscriptions to be able to watch those games on TV, and spend $100 for a replica jersey of their favorite club. If United was somehow able to get those fans to spend the money on DC then they would be able to compete with those top teams, but since they will never spend that on a 'second rate league' United doesn't get the growth. Its the same for us, if JMU wants to be able to compete we need the casual fan to think we are legitimate top level program so they will drop their wads of cash on the team which in turn will help us to grow and compete with other FBS programs in the state.

Another point...No matter how much you or I might hate ODU, the average schmoe is going to see Duke as a mcuh bigger name on our schedule (at least for the first few years of this rivalry as it hasn't had much time to really grow) and those average fans will gladly fork over $50-75 for a ticket to watch JMU take on an ACC team at BFS over $25 to see a CAA 'rival' any day of the week. Even if we get to the CUSA, any visiting ACC team will still have a lot more cachet than ODU, and will for a long long time. Not to mention that ODU is a bit of a contrived rivalry to begin with that only the die hards really care about. It's not like we cared about them before they had football (GMU, W&M and VCU have meant more to us in basketball), and Richmond and Delaware stir more real reasons for football hatred than ODU (minus maybe their asshat fans).
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(07-30-2013 06:46 PM)rufus Wrote:  Sigh. Let's think back to econ 101. Ticket prices could rise for one of two reasons.

1) Demand increases while ticket supply stays fixed. In response, the admin would probably raise prices back to an equilibrium price to maximize revenue. So would JMU fans be ready in this scenario? Well, yes. In fact, the strong demand is actually what has driven up prices.

2) The admin arbitrarily sets ticket prices above the equilibrium price. In this scenario, quantity demanded (not demand) would fall, we would likely see flat or declining revenue, and we would be left with a surplus of tickets. The volume of empty seats could in turn negatively impact the game day experience, thus decreasing the demand and creating something of a downward spiral.

I may not be the most vocal supporter of the admin, but I can't see them arbitrarily raising ticket prices without an increase in demand.

OK - moving to ECON 201 - how does Alger pay for the increased costs of running a FBS program (scholarships, travel, Title IX, etc) if he doesn't raise ticket prices. If the increase demand is even a question in his mind (hence allowing him to raise DC contribution levels and ticket prices), then this move makes zero sense.

My question is how the admin/Carr/whomever is attempting to gauge that.
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To throw another monkey wrench into the conversation, I'm less concerned about ticket prices and more concerned about gas and parking expenses.

Nevertheless, the excitement of playing FBS will more than make up for those that say, "I can't afford this anymore."
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(08-02-2013 11:07 AM)91Alum Wrote:  
(07-30-2013 06:46 PM)rufus Wrote:  Sigh. Let's think back to econ 101. Ticket prices could rise for one of two reasons.

1) Demand increases while ticket supply stays fixed. In response, the admin would probably raise prices back to an equilibrium price to maximize revenue. So would JMU fans be ready in this scenario? Well, yes. In fact, the strong demand is actually what has driven up prices.

2) The admin arbitrarily sets ticket prices above the equilibrium price. In this scenario, quantity demanded (not demand) would fall, we would likely see flat or declining revenue, and we would be left with a surplus of tickets. The volume of empty seats could in turn negatively impact the game day experience, thus decreasing the demand and creating something of a downward spiral.

I may not be the most vocal supporter of the admin, but I can't see them arbitrarily raising ticket prices without an increase in demand.

OK - moving to ECON 201 - how does Alger pay for the increased costs of running a FBS program (scholarships, travel, Title IX, etc) if he doesn't raise ticket prices. If the increase demand is even a question in his mind (hence allowing him to raise DC contribution levels and ticket prices), then this move makes zero sense.

My question is how the admin/Carr/whomever is attempting to gauge that.

ECON 403 - Don't spend $75M on half a football stadium if there is any doubt the program is ready, willing and able to reclassify to 1A for the reason(s) clearly stated in the approved build model file that is locked up in Charlie King's office.
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(08-02-2013 11:59 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  ECON 403 - Don't spend $75M on half a football stadium if there is any doubt the program is ready, willing and able to reclassify to 1A for the reason(s) clearly stated in the approved build model file that is locked up in Charlie King's office.

Seems to me the "half-a-football stadium" (as you put it) has been, and continues to be, put to excellent use. The 7-9k additional fans that have attended each game the last two seasons, plus the additional revenue generated, made it a wise investment regardless of what happens in the future with regards to reclassification.

Furthermore, because it was designed to reserve the potential of expanding seamlessly should the need arise in the future, all while providing the stunning "curb appeal" of a big-time upper deck and club amenities of a first-class modern stadium (providing free advertising to every traveler along I-81), BFS is serving JMU very well as it markets itself to potential FBS suitors.

All in all, if you think there was an economically smarter alternative to BFS...one that serves the present and future needs of JMU while positioning JMU for the future, well, then I'd say you didn't learn very much in ECON 403. Personally, I believe the renovation and expansion of BFS was one of the more brilliant projects (next to the Forbes PAC) completed by the Rose administration, regardless of whether the "other side" of BFS is ever finished (which I hope it will be). One thing is for certain, the other "half" of BFS won't be completed if fans stay away because they find playing FCS FB beneath them.
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(08-02-2013 08:41 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  This is a pretty tight bunch when it comes to spending money. A lot of big talkers, but hold the money close to the vest. Hell, they won't even spend a couple of bucks to read the number one source of JMU football news, the DNR.

I have trouble believing that anyone refuses to pay the $2 per month for the DNR on the basis of cost. I know that I didn't renew my subscription because my account would periodicly lock me out for no apparent reason, and I had to repeatedly call for assistance. Despite the abysmal reliability, I will probably renew for another year to get my football season coverage.

Based on other posts, I have to believe that cost isn't really a major factor in deciding whether to describe. I know that others have shared my frustrating experiences with the DNR.
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(08-02-2013 08:41 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  Ticket prices will double when we move up.

Why do you expect our ticket prices to double? Even at current levels, our ticket prices are among the highest in MAC, Sun Belt, and CUSA. What factors are going to drive JMU ticket prices up to AAC or even ACC levels? The only reason I can imagine is a dramitic increase in demand. If that's the reason, then so be it.
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(07-30-2013 05:59 PM)Potomac Wrote:  JMU - $81 each Family Plan

Massachusetts - $120 Single
Appalachian State – $175 Single
Georgia Southern – $85 each Family Plan (3 pack)
Georgia State - $50 each Family Plan
Old Dominion – $165 each Family Plan (6 pack)


I notice a trend of recent FBS move-ups charging more than current FBS programs that have played for decades at that level. I know they have bills to pay and there is likely a higher level of demand as a result of a recent move-up. I can't believe App's cheapest season tickets start at $175. JMU trails only 10 of 38 teams in these 3 conferences in ticket cost.

Well GSU and GS are right in line with FBS mid majors..

The others are pretty close and you cant really make this comparison because these packages often include other things.

UB, for example is charging 90 but if you want to better seats or get better parking you can donate 90 more to the department. By making that 90$ a donation you make is 80% tax deductible.

I am surprised at how low some of the MAC schools are.
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(08-02-2013 03:36 PM)rufus Wrote:  Why do you expect our ticket prices to double? Even at current levels, our ticket prices are among the highest in MAC, Sun Belt, and CUSA. What factors are going to drive JMU ticket prices up to AAC or even ACC levels? The only reason I can imagine is a dramitic increase in demand. If that's the reason, then so be it.

Why? Because playing "tackle football" as the GOTH puts it, costs more money. 22 extra scholarships. Expanded recruiting expenses. Higher travel costs (especially if you're in a league like the CUSA). Increased salaries for coaches, etc., etc.

I'm confident that JMU could swing the extra costs...IF there is an increase in student enrollment (that move = more student fee $$); IF there is an enhanced revenue stream from TV; IF playing a BCS team on the road does indeed lead to bigger paydays; IF Duke Club donations go up substantially, and IF ticket prices increase (along with concessions, parking, etc.).

You want FBS FB? JMU may just get it...along with the bill.
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You don't want to do FBS football on the Cheap. UB decided to to that and it put us in such a competitive hole that we have only briefly poked our heads out only to trip back in.

Finally we are spending like we should, abnother 10% in spending to get us over 30 million and I will be happy (I think though JMU and some of you better FCS/ex-FSC boys still out spend us).
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(08-02-2013 03:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 03:36 PM)rufus Wrote:  Why do you expect our ticket prices to double? Even at current levels, our ticket prices are among the highest in MAC, Sun Belt, and CUSA. What factors are going to drive JMU ticket prices up to AAC or even ACC levels? The only reason I can imagine is a dramitic increase in demand. If that's the reason, then so be it.

Why? Because playing "tackle football" as the GOTH puts it, costs more money. 22 extra scholarships. Expanded recruiting expenses. Higher travel costs (especially if you're in a league like the CUSA). Increased salaries for coaches, etc., etc.

I'm confident that JMU could swing the extra costs...IF there is an increase in student enrollment (that move = more student fee $$); IF there is an enhanced revenue stream from TV; IF playing a BCS team on the road does indeed lead to bigger paydays; IF Duke Club donations go up substantially, and IF ticket prices increase (along with concessions, parking, etc.).

You want FBS FB? JMU may just get it...along with the bill.

I guess I just struggle with ticket prices part. Ticket prices are set by supply and demand, and have nothing to do with the university's internal costs of funding the program. College football is a business and ticket prices are set to maximize revenue. If we move to FBS, ticket prices will still be set to maximize revenue.

It seems like a lot of our posters do not understand that pricing a product too high actually reduces revenue. If we set ticket prices at $20, we can sell around 17,000 tickets and bring in $340,000. If we set ticket prices at $1 billion, our revenue falls to $0. That's obviously an absurd, extreme example, but there's a point on that continuum where revenue starts to fall as price increases.

If the administration has additional bills to pay, why would they aim to reduce revenue? Ticket prices will be market based, and everything will be fine.
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(08-02-2013 08:50 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 08:41 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I think some big time move up to 1A football backers are going to be shocked at attendance decline when we move up! This is a pretty tight bunch when it comes to spending money. A lot of big talkers, but hold the money close to the vest. Hell, they won't even spend a couple of bucks to read the number one source of JMU football news, the DNR.

Ticket prices will double when we move up. So, people who have bought 4 season tickets will cut back to 2. Sad, but true. Sure, there will be some who ramp up their giving. But, it is a numbers game and there are lots of casual fans who buy tickets at today's bargain prices that won't come when tickets jump dramatically. The Law of Unintended Consequences.

So, we are going to need a lot of new people to fill those seats. The opponents we bring to BFS better be names that will draw.


Ticket prices to double in FBS? Umm, pretty sure that would make our tickets BY FAR the most expensive in CUSA/MAC/SBC. Heck, they are already pricey compared to most of that group (Sans departing ECU).

Let's not throw unfounded numbers out there. If we double our ticket prices, then I think we need to demand an audit of our Athletic Department. I firmly expect my club seats to go from $550/ticket to $750/ticket....about a 35% increase. But if they go to $1100/ticket, that is roughly $2100/seat with donation.....and that is firmly in top 25 FBS territory.

I do agree that our cheaper ticket packages could go up by a higher %, but still doubt a 100% increase.

My numbers weren't intended to be accurate. They were intended to point out that increases dictated by a move up to 1A will cause people to cut back on the number of seats they purchase. It was also intended to point out that there are a lot of "frugal" posters on here. Mostly intended to put a dig at the constant cry for people to post a DNR article on here. Let's face it, if you profess to be an ardent fan and won't part with $25 bucks to read the DNR, what are you going to do when prices to games increase by 10%, 25%, 50%, 100%?
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(08-02-2013 08:29 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  My numbers weren't intended to be accurate. They were intended to point out that increases dictated by a move up to 1A will cause people to cut back on the number of seats they purchase. It was also intended to point out that there are a lot of "frugal" posters on here. Mostly intended to put a dig at the constant cry for people to post a DNR article on here. Let's face it, if you profess to be an ardent fan and won't part with $25 bucks to read the DNR, what are you going to do when prices to games increase by 10%, 25%, 50%, 100%?

Well that depends. Am I going to buy tickets from JMU and show up to the game only to find out that my tickets don't get me in? That's what happens with the DNR. I'll be honest, I would hesitate to buy tickets from JMU if I had the same experience at Bridgeforth.
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(08-02-2013 03:28 PM)rufus Wrote:  
(08-02-2013 08:41 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  This is a pretty tight bunch when it comes to spending money. A lot of big talkers, but hold the money close to the vest. Hell, they won't even spend a couple of bucks to read the number one source of JMU football news, the DNR.

I have trouble believing that anyone refuses to pay the $2 per month for the DNR on the basis of cost. I know that I didn't renew my subscription because my account would periodicly lock me out for no apparent reason, and I had to repeatedly call for assistance. Despite the abysmal reliability, I will probably renew for another year to get my football season coverage.

Based on other posts, I have to believe that cost isn't really a major factor in deciding whether to describe. I know that others have shared my frustrating experiences with the DNR.

Yes, I think it's more a pay wall issue. There is an issue with paying for on-line content that many larger media companies are still working through.
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(08-02-2013 08:25 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Speaking from my own experience....that game was truly representative of the apathy in my tailgate group. It was a night TV game (ended at after 11pm) that required a hotel room or long late night drive. It was cold, so the wives definitely vetoed 2 of my buddies. Those with young kids also opted out. I was out of town at a wedding in the islands. Out of our usual group of b/t 15-20, I think roughly 10 attended. Our tailgate discussions used to be energetic/lively discussions of the future of JMU football. Not nearly so much anymore... We have tons of fun, but the topic has shifted from "Where are we going? This environment is awesome! Look at that stadium!" to "hope we score 17 this weekend. Has the game passed MM by? Man, who is left in the CAA?".

The excitement has waned somewhat in our group. The die hards are still there, but now it is JUST them and not their friends and casual fans. I think that can be traced to a boring O, lukewarm results, and dissatisfaction with our current affiliation.

It's been my belief, and continues to be, that the #1 reason for the decline in attendance and discussions such as above have been the incredibly boring brand of football on display the past few years.

as much as we are passionate about our school and enjoy all the festivities of football, sports is still "entertainment". and the entertainment value in the 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense has long since disappeared. It's too easy to turn on the TV and see other teams running more modern offenses to accept what JMU has been doing.

put on a more entertaining show, and people will come back, and stay.

and that's also why MM will not be our coach in FBS. He's too old school and the conservative nature won't work well for us in FBS. We need younger and modern to move forward.
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