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A lot of smack talk about JMU on other boards about how we don't bring the necessary qualifications, market, or we are no ODU. I think theses two two stats paint a pretty clear picture of JMU's presence and popularity in the state of Virginia as well as recognition outside the state. I also added some other schools (Sun Belt and potential CUSA additions) for comparison.

Number of Applicants
UVA 23,583
JMU 22,884
VA Tech 20,828
Mason 17,548
VCU 15,757
ECU 15,085
App State 12,343
Charlotte 10,702
ODU 10,315
ULL 9,062
Marshall 6,384
Ark State 4,806

Percent of Student Body from Out of State
JMU 29%
UVA 26%
VA Tech 24%
Marshall 24%
ECU 12%
Mason 11%
Ark State 10%
App State 8%
Charlotte 7%
ODU 7%
ULL 5%
VCU not reported
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It's easier to hate what you don't know.

Edit: although it's great for more national exposure and diversity, the 29% out of state students is a double edged sword. When they move back home as alumni, out of staters feel more disconnected and that hurts with things like donations.
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(07-29-2013 06:34 PM)Potomac Wrote:  It's easier to hate what you don't know.
Or its easier to hate when you do know and are threatened.
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(07-29-2013 06:34 PM)Potomac Wrote:  It's easier to hate what you don't know.

Edit: although it's great for more national exposure and diversity, the 29% out of state students is a double edged sword. When they move back home as alumni, out of staters feel more disconnected and that hurts with things like donations.

Based on national research in this area, only about 30% (give or take a percentage point) of all out-of-state college students will move back home (or out of state) after graduating. Over 70% will stay in the state where they went to college. This means those new college grads will hopefully get a job, or start a business, and/or businesses will locate to where there is a supply of newly minted college grads. And all those out-of-staters who paid those inflated tuition costs making it less expensive for in-state students to attend college, will perhaps marry, start a family, and all-in-all, become contributing, taxpaying citizens of that "foreign" state where they went to college.

This is one of the most compelling arguments why a strong, healthy public system of Higher Ed (that successfully attracts and enrolls the brightest kids from neighboring states) is in the enlightened self-interest of any state. Of course, some states don't see it that way...hence you get what you get in MS or AL. In many ways, states that have successfully created a strong system of Higher Ed have a huge advantage over states with weak systems...it's a fight to attract and retain brain-power, and its parallel are the city-state conflicts of medieval Italy where you had Florence competing against Sienna or Pisa or Milan...there was a constant fight to get the "edge." The Duke of Milan hired DaVinci not to paint his portrait, but to design war machines.

Maybe fielding a strong sports team is one way of attracting top talent to your school...if you've got it, flaunt it. Somehow, however, I don't think Harvard or MIT are too worried about Alabama eating their intellectual capital.
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FYI. Alabama has the most national merit scholars than any other university in the country. They attribute the increasing quality of its student body due to its football success. There was a recent forbes article about it i believe. On my phone so cant post a link. Alabama is one of JMU's peer institutions.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/...o-alabama/
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(07-29-2013 06:12 PM)Atbjmu09 Wrote:  A lot of smack talk about JMU on other boards about how we don't bring the necessary qualifications, market, or we are no ODU.

Not the MAC Board. Not surprisingly, it's a far better academic conference than the two used for comparison. 03-wink
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So this confirms what we all knew which is that if you get knocked up or knock someone up in high school you go to Mason?
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(07-29-2013 07:37 PM)JMU Wrote:  FYI. Alabama has the most national merit scholars than any other university in the country. They attribute the increasing quality of its student body due to its football success. There was a recent forbes article about it i believe. On my phone so cant post a link. Alabama is one of JMU's peer institutions.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/...o-alabama/

Their football success is what made me apply & decide to attend to their graduate school this fall (on top of their areas of research, of course :) ).
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(07-29-2013 08:16 PM)Sax Wrote:  
(07-29-2013 07:37 PM)JMU Wrote:  FYI. Alabama has the most national merit scholars than any other university in the country. They attribute the increasing quality of its student body due to its football success. There was a recent forbes article about it i believe. On my phone so cant post a link. Alabama is one of JMU's peer institutions.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/...o-alabama/

Their football success is what made me apply & decide to attend to their graduate school this fall (on top of their areas of research, of course :) ).

That is awesome. Tailgating on the Quad is awesome. I have never experienced anything like it. Good luck and, of course, Roll Tide!
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(07-29-2013 07:27 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(07-29-2013 06:34 PM)Potomac Wrote:  It's easier to hate what you don't know.

Edit: although it's great for more national exposure and diversity, the 29% out of state students is a double edged sword. When they move back home as alumni, out of staters feel more disconnected and that hurts with things like donations.

Based on national research in this area, only about 30% (give or take a percentage point) of all out-of-state college students will move back home (or out of state) after graduating. Over 70% will stay in the state where they went to college. This means those new college grads will hopefully get a job, or start a business, and/or businesses will locate to where there is a supply of newly minted college grads. And all those out-of-staters who paid those inflated tuition costs making it less expensive for in-state students to attend college, will perhaps marry, start a family, and all-in-all, become contributing, taxpaying citizens of that "foreign" state where they went to college.

I'm a perfect example. I'm from 15 minutes north of the Bronx, went to JMU, moved back home for 6 months after graduation, hated it, have lived in the Arlington area for the last 4 years, and will soon be a state employee.

Go Dukes
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(07-29-2013 09:17 PM)JMU Wrote:  
(07-29-2013 08:16 PM)Sax Wrote:  
(07-29-2013 07:37 PM)JMU Wrote:  FYI. Alabama has the most national merit scholars than any other university in the country. They attribute the increasing quality of its student body due to its football success. There was a recent forbes article about it i believe. On my phone so cant post a link. Alabama is one of JMU's peer institutions.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/...o-alabama/

Their football success is what made me apply & decide to attend to their graduate school this fall (on top of their areas of research, of course :) ).

That is awesome. Tailgating on the Quad is awesome. I have never experienced anything like it. Good luck and, of course, Roll Tide!

I agree. I was blown away.
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(07-29-2013 07:27 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  ...it's a fight to attract and retain brain-power, and its parallel are the city-state conflicts of medieval Italy where you had Florence competing against Sienna or Pisa or Milan...there was a constant fight to get the "edge." The Duke of Milan hired DaVinci not to paint his portrait, but to design war machines.

Now that is a clever parallel!

Although good for the occasional chuckle, the "dated a girl" (met a girl, dumped a girl, kissed a girl, ****** a girl, etc, etc), analogies we see on these boards are played out. Cheers to stepping up the game.
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(07-29-2013 07:37 PM)JMU Wrote:  FYI. Alabama has the most national merit scholars than any other university in the country. They attribute the increasing quality of its student body due to its football success. There was a recent forbes article about it i believe. On my phone so cant post a link. Alabama is one of JMU's peer institutions.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/...o-alabama/

Alabama also has more US partners at my professional services firm than any other university, and I work for the world's largest professional services firm. We recruit very heavily from Alabama in our Atlanta and Birmingham offices and have had a lot of success with their students. I think it's all the local bandwagon Alabama fans that give the university a bad rep as opposed to the university itself.

I realize this is very anecdotal but thought it was a very interesting stay when I heard it a few years ago.
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(07-30-2013 06:36 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  
(07-29-2013 07:37 PM)JMU Wrote:  FYI. Alabama has the most national merit scholars than any other university in the country. They attribute the increasing quality of its student body due to its football success. There was a recent forbes article about it i believe. On my phone so cant post a link. Alabama is one of JMU's peer institutions.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/...o-alabama/

Alabama also has more US partners at my professional services firm than any other university, and I work for the world's largest professional services firm. We recruit very heavily from Alabama in our Atlanta and Birmingham offices and have had a lot of success with their students. I think it's all the local bandwagon Alabama fans that give the university a bad rep as opposed to the university itself.
I realize this is very anecdotal but thought it was a very interesting stay when I heard it a few years ago.

I think a lot of schools probably are less than thrilled with the way their "Walmart Wolverine" fans represent the University. They'll gladly take their ticket money and just pray these people don't make it on the 6:00 news.
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(07-29-2013 10:30 PM)TheDudeWithTheJMUTat Wrote:  
(07-29-2013 07:27 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(07-29-2013 06:34 PM)Potomac Wrote:  It's easier to hate what you don't know.

Edit: although it's great for more national exposure and diversity, the 29% out of state students is a double edged sword. When they move back home as alumni, out of staters feel more disconnected and that hurts with things like donations.

Based on national research in this area, only about 30% (give or take a percentage point) of all out-of-state college students will move back home (or out of state) after graduating. Over 70% will stay in the state where they went to college. This means those new college grads will hopefully get a job, or start a business, and/or businesses will locate to where there is a supply of newly minted college grads. And all those out-of-staters who paid those inflated tuition costs making it less expensive for in-state students to attend college, will perhaps marry, start a family, and all-in-all, become contributing, taxpaying citizens of that "foreign" state where they went to college.

I'm a perfect example. I'm from 15 minutes north of the Bronx, went to JMU, moved back home for 6 months after graduation, hated it, have lived in the Arlington area for the last 4 years, and will soon be a state employee.

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(07-29-2013 07:37 PM)JMU Wrote:  FYI. Alabama has the most national merit scholars than any other university in the country. They attribute the increasing quality of its student body due to its football success. There was a recent forbes article about it i believe. On my phone so cant post a link. Alabama is one of JMU's peer institutions.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/...o-alabama/

Are you sure about that fact? Kudos to AL if they are stepping up their game.

Harvard has traditionally enrolled the largest number of NMF students...and for over a decade UT-Austin was #2...but that was because Texas made the executive decision to basically "buy" those kids with full rides. Texas has since moved away from that "throw money at it plan" because of a number of reasons...one being the Fisher vs. The University of Texas admissions case that went to the Supreme Court.


EDIT: Here's a link to an article on UT's decision to end the practice of "buying" NMFs...a decision which continues to be controversial in Austin and one that I personally thought was wrong. At the time UT ended it's program, Texas enrolled like 280+ NMFs, and Harvard enrolled 300 each year. I would very much like to see JMU begin to create an endowment targeted on enrolling a larger number of NMFs...say a target of 50 or maybe even 100...which would fit nicely into the increased focus on STEM disciplines and the ISAT side of campus.
http://chronicle.com/article/U-of-Texas-...End/48248/
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(07-30-2013 09:18 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(07-29-2013 07:37 PM)JMU Wrote:  FYI. Alabama has the most national merit scholars than any other university in the country. They attribute the increasing quality of its student body due to its football success. There was a recent forbes article about it i believe. On my phone so cant post a link. Alabama is one of JMU's peer institutions.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/...o-alabama/

Are you sure about that fact? Kudos to AL if they are stepping up their game.

Harvard has traditionally enrolled the largest number of NMF students...and for over a decade UT-Austin was #2...but that was because Texas made the executive decision to basically "buy" those kids with full rides. Texas has since moved away from that "throw money at it plan" because of a number of reasons...one being the Fisher vs. The University of Texas admissions case that went to the Supreme Court.

When I wrote that I recalled all universities. However, after rereading the article it states all public universities in the nation. In any event, still quite an accomplishment. Also, it says that 1 in 4 admitted students have a 4.0.

The article illustrates how the success of an athletic program can benefit the an entire university and also justify outrageous coaches salaries like Saban's.

From the article:

"...For the admissions office, more applications mean more selectivity. Six years ago, 64% of students applying to the University of Alabama were accepted. By 2012, the acceptance rate had dropped to 53%. About one in four students from the 2012 freshman class carried a 4.0 high school GPA. The class also includes 241 National Merit Scholars, more than any other public university in the U.S.“The quality of our students has never been higher,” says Mary Spieigel, executive director of undergraduate admissions. “Our recruiters across the nation emphasize all aspects of the University.”

That comes from tapping the cash to build and renovate around campus. The final phase of a four-building Science & Engineering complex, first begun a decade ago, is scheduled to be completed this summer. In 2010, the school opened the Capstone College of Nursing building, which features classrooms, labs and an auditorium. Campus housing has also been upgraded: a new facility called Presidential Village, which holds nearly 1,000 students, opened last summer. A second phase that includes a rec center is slated to open in 2014. There’s more, but you get the idea. The administration’s strategy to leverage Saban’s program into additional selling points is working like a charm right now."
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Indeed. Alabama is the only public in the top 5.

For 2012:
1. University Of Chicago (303)
2. Harvard (268)
3. Southern Cal (263)
4. Alabama (241)
5. Northwestern (236)

http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf
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(07-30-2013 09:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Indeed. Alabama is the only public in the top 5.

For 2012:
1. University Of Chicago (303)
2. Harvard (268)
3. Southern Cal (263)
4. Alabama (241)
5. Northwestern (236)

http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf

See my last post. Agree it was only public universities. Your list above confirms. Thanks. Interesting JMU only has 1. One.
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(07-30-2013 09:37 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  For 2012:
1. University Of Chicago (303)
2. Harvard (268)
3. Southern Cal (263)
4. Alabama (241)
5. Northwestern (236)

http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf

Thanks for the current list! It makes me curious about what Chicago is doing...I'm going to look into that!

The focus on enrolling NMFs has been criticized by some people, but I just don't see it that way. For publics in particular, it's the fastest way to make some national noise on the academic level.

So kudos to AL for stepping up and trying to improve its academic image! And I'm sure as the article JMU shared, AL's FB success has helped increase their enrollment numbers. The same happened at VT after Vick took them to the NC game.
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