(07-29-2013 12:14 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 01:54 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  for a few years Arkansas State and Northern Illinois were football-only affiliates in the Big West. and North Texas was a full member. I know that was all in the 90s but it is still a funny affiliation.

The Sun Belt is effectively a continuation of the Big West in football-once the Sun Belt took in UNT that was effectively the end of Big West football.

If today's rules were in place, could you imagine the Big West extending football-only invitations to FIU or South Alabama?

Yes I could see it happening. It would only be for one sport and the benefits of exposure in CA and the South would make it worthwhile for all. Depending on the year, an invite of FIU or South Alabama would get the conference to 12 and a championship game.

This was the Big West in 1993, in order of finish:

Louisiana-Lafayette (football only)
Utah State
Nevada
NMSU
Northern Illinois (football only)
UNLV
Pacific
Louisiana Tech (football only)
SJSU
Arkansas State (football only)


Worth noting: In '91 Fresno State left for the WAC and Long Beach State dropped football. In '92 CSU Fullerton dropped football.


I did not look at the Sun Belt in such a way before: an effective living extension of Big West football. But now I can imagine it. Idaho, NMSU, Ark State, ULL and North Texas all spent time in both conferences.

(07-29-2013 09:16 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  One of my favorites was The Big Sky Conference (1964-94). Gotta love that name.

Boise State
Eastern Washington
Gonzaga
Idaho
Idaho State
Montana
Montana state
Nevada
Northern Arizona
Weber State

Bolded are still members of the Big Sky

(07-29-2013 09:13 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  The old Border Conference (1932-62) had the following membership:

Arizona
Arizona State
Hardin-Simmons
New Mexico
New Mexico State
Northern Arizona
Texas Tech
UTEP
West Texas

Poor NMSU - that was the best conference they were ever in, travel/rivalry wise

Since then:

1962-1970 Independent
1971-1982 Missouri Valley Conference
1983-2000 Big West Conference
2001-2004 Sun Belt Conference
2005-2012 Western Athletic Conference
2013 Independent (Football Only)
2014- Sun Belt Conference (Football Only)

But at last, this is all wish full thinking, speculation and pure BS

This may not be the best way to display this data, but here's a pie chart of team years by conference for the current ACC members.


By comparison, here's what the Big East (now AAC) would have looked like with Boise and SDSU.

(07-29-2013 10:03 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  This may not be the best way to display this data, but here's a pie chart of team years by conference for the current ACC members.


By comparison, here's what the Big East (now AAC) would have looked like with Boise and SDSU.

it be cool to see that for the pac12 & b12. but the b10 takes the cake......

(07-29-2013 10:03 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  This may not be the best way to display this data, but here's a pie chart of team years by conference for the current ACC members.


By comparison, here's what the Big East (now AAC) would have looked like with Boise and SDSU.

pretty

(07-29-2013 11:27 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 10:03 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  This may not be the best way to display this data, but here's a pie chart of team years by conference for the current ACC members.


By comparison, here's what the Big East (now AAC) would have looked like with Boise and SDSU.

pretty

Yes it might be prettier than the actual American logo.

(07-28-2013 10:27 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Less-ridiculous examples are Drake and SLU in the MVIAA, Tulane in the SEC, or Wayne State and Case Western Reserve in the MAC. Granted, all of these examples out of context in 2013 seem bizarre, though college athletics were obviously far different a hundred (or even fifty) years ago than today.

Case Western Reserve was never in the MAC. Both Case and Western Reserve had dropped down to D-3 by the time the two schools merged.

The MAC's 5 charter members in 1946 were:

Butler
Cincinnati
Ohio
Wayne State
Western Reserve

However, the only charter member to stay longer than 9 years was Ohio.

My favorite old conference association was the Metro in the 70s and 80s:

Cincinnati
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Louisville
Memphis
St. Louis
Tulane
Virginia Tech

SLU and GT left in the early 80s and were replaced by South Carolina and Southern Miss. But man, that league had potential as a football conference.

(07-30-2013 03:27 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 10:27 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Less-ridiculous examples are Drake and SLU in the MVIAA, Tulane in the SEC, or Wayne State and Case Western Reserve in the MAC. Granted, all of these examples out of context in 2013 seem bizarre, though college athletics were obviously far different a hundred (or even fifty) years ago than today.

Case Western Reserve was never in the MAC. Both Case and Western Reserve had dropped down to D-3 by the time the two schools merged.

The MAC's 5 charter members in 1946 were:

Butler
Cincinnati
Ohio
Wayne State
Western Reserve

However, the only charter member to stay longer than 9 years was Ohio.

Ah, I didn't know that Case and Western Reserve were two schools that merged after WR was out of the MAC. Thanks for the info.

(07-30-2013 03:31 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  My favorite old conference association was the Metro in the 70s and 80s:

Cincinnati
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Louisville
Memphis
St. Louis
Tulane
Virginia Tech

SLU and GT left in the early 80s and were replaced by South Carolina and Southern Miss. But man, that league had potential as a football conference.

I miss the Great Midwest/Metro myself.

(07-28-2013 10:27 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Washington University and Grinnell in the Midwestern Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association (Big 8):
From what I see, neither program had much success in the MVIAA, they along with the smaller schools were booted out to what would become the Missouri Valley Conference in 1928. WashU is now with Chicago and other elite universities in the UAA, while Grinnell is in the DIII Midwest Conference with Lake Forest.

The Big 6 was formed by schools that left the Missouri Valley Conference in 1928 (Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri and Oklahoma). The MVC will begin it's 107th season of athletic competition this year. The MVC is the 2nd oldest Division I athletic conference in the nation.

(07-29-2013 11:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 10:03 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  This may not be the best way to display this data, but here's a pie chart of team years by conference for the current ACC members.


By comparison, here's what the Big East (now AAC) would have looked like with Boise and SDSU.

it be cool to see that for the pac12 & b12. but the b10 takes the cake......

I think instead of SIAA, you mean SAIAA South Atlantic Intecollegiate Athletic Association 1907-1922 with members Maryland, UNC, NC State, UVa, VT, and Clemon who dropped out in 1910. UNC, Clemson and UVa were members of the SIAA and VT was a member for one year and NC State (NC A&M) was a brief member.

The core of the conference is SAIAA, Southern Conference, ACC, with UNC, NC State, UVa, VT, Clemson and Maryland being there in 1907 until today. UNC, NC State and Maryland are the only three to be in all iterations of the conference for the last 106 years. Clemson ditched the SAIAA to go back to the SIAA in 1911 and stayed there for 10 years until rejoining the main group in 1921. UVa quit the SoCon in 1936 and rejoined the group in the ACC in 1953. VT was effectively blackballed out to the ACC for 50 years between 1953 and 2003. Duke (Trinity) didn't join the SAIAA or the SoCon until 1928. Wake Forest did not join the SoCon until 1937. GT was in the SIAA and the SoCon from the 1890's to 1933, dropped out of the SEC in 1964 and rejoined the ACC branch in 1978.

The ACC's history is very much like the P12 with similar happenings over the years, except when the PAC 6 reformed itself after tossing out UCLA in the 50's, it kept it's old PCC records with the new conference name - PAC 5/6/8/10/12

The ACC didn't do this with SoCon records back to 1933, let alone 1921.

It would interesting to see the chart with the SAIAA/SoCon/ACC in one slice.

UC was also in the MAC in the late 40's/early 50's for about 5 years.