(08-01-2013 03:01 PM)randaddyminer Wrote: (08-01-2013 07:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (08-01-2013 12:39 AM)randaddyminer Wrote: (07-31-2013 09:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (07-31-2013 07:17 PM)randaddyminer Wrote: so you concede UTEP has the pull? or why are you changing the topic?
What? UTEP obviously does not have the pull to bring the Sun to the AAC. Crazy. And that is the topic of this thread.
deflection... It's okay dude, just as long as you realize it
Dude, WTF are you talking about? The topic of this thread is whether UTEP could leverage the Sun to join the AAC, and the OP claims it could:
"UTEP owns the Sun Bowl so one would think they could get this done if they wanted to."
So my retort that UTEP clearly does NOT have the pull with the Sun Bowl to get it to sign with the AAC is no 'deflection', it is right on point. You're starting to get weird now.
The main evidence the OP marshaled to support his view was that in 1998, UTEP (allegedly) influenced the Sun to take TCU over Wyoming because of displeasure that Wyoming was being invited to the newly-forming MWC while UTEP was getting left behind. First, that is questionable (the Sun also passed over 9-2 UCF, a school had nothing to do with the WAC/MWC situation, so the decision to invite TCU could have just been partiality to another Texas school), and second, even if true, it's a trivial point, since passing over one no-name WAC team for another is a pretty meaningless indicator of the Sun's willingness to sign a tie-in deal with a non-P5 conference, when they've only invited ONE non-P5/AQ school since 1970 and even in that one year, 1998, that was because no P5/AQ schools were available!
So dude, you have no point, coming or going. I was just trying to be gentle with you by allowing you to back-track from your most obvious goof, 1998 vs 1999. But if you insist...
Read the damn thread, dip , are you really this dumb or are you just deflecting more?
I initially stated UTEP fans would rather be in the MWC rather than the AAC. If that upset you, too bad. You replied to ME by saying something to the effect that UTEP didn't have any pull with the sun bowl, not even for Cusa. Now that I've shown you that is not the case, you are trying to weasel your way out of the argument by trying to reference the original question. Good try
Are you really this stupid to think I couldn't go back and check to see if your account of the thread is accurate?
First, I had no qualms with anyone saying UTEP would prefer to be in the MWC than AAC. In fact, i questioned why UTEP would want to be in the AAC too (#21).
Second, you claimed that UTEP "controls" the Sun Bowl and is UTEP's "property" (both post #19), which implies that UTEP could indeed guarantee a tie-in with the AAC if it wanted to.
That struck me as silly, so I then replied (#22) that the Sun has no interest in being tied to small-time, G5 conferences and would only make such a tie if they had no choice, so no, UTEP does not have enough pull to do that. I did not say UTEP had no pull at all with the Sun.
You replied (#27) that if i doubted how much pull UTEP has, I could reference 1999 (sic! LOL) Wyoming and how they missed out on the bowl thanks to UTEP's influence.
That's when I began to school you (#30, 39) about how the Sun hasn't invited UTEP since the 1960s and it was revealed that since 1970, the ONLY time the Sun invited a team from a small conference (TCU, 1998) was when nobody from a major, AQ conference was available.
Of course you thought that your goof about Wyoming 1999 vs 1998 saved you, but i just explained how that doesn't matter at all, since even if UTEP exerted pull to get TCU in over Wyoming in 1998 because of the WAC/MWC issue (again, debatable since 9-2 UCF was passed by too) having pull to get the Sun to choose one G5 team over another tells us NOTHING about UTEP's ability to get the Sun to sign with a G5 conference as a tie-in. A silly idea, since the entire Sun history since 1970 shows it wants to match major-conference teams.
Yet you keep rambling about "deflection", which of course is YOUR own method of deflection, since I have shown that you have no defensible point whatsoever in this exchange.
Bottom line: There is NO REASON AT ALL to think that UTEP has ANYWHERE NEAR the pull needed to bring the Sun Bowl with it to the AAC. NONE.