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(07-23-2013 10:54 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  It will end up in Atlanta.
- Chick-Fil-a Kick off game
- SEC Championship
- CFHF

It's a wonder they haven't moved already.

(07-23-2013 11:03 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 10:54 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  It will end up in Atlanta.
- Chick-Fil-a Kick off game
- SEC Championship
- CFHF

It's a wonder they haven't moved already.

If you had someone treating you like royalty, for nothing in return, would you leave. Now the SEC has to leave, it has outgrown Birmingham in a multitude of ways and Atlanta makes more sense, IMHO.

SWAC Media Days coming soon to Birmingham!!!

Charlotte just as likely with the SEC network headquartered there...

(07-23-2013 11:29 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  SWAC Media Days coming soon to Birmingham!!!

Actually, the SWAC has moved its championship game in football to Houston.

The SIAC which includes Miles is an option. Their championship football game will be held at Legion Field.

(07-23-2013 11:29 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  Charlotte just as likely with the SEC network headquartered there...

I would agree that Charlotte will be a player, as well as Dallas, but at the end of the day they are less appealing for what the SEC is positioning itself to do. Having 3 games played annually in Atlanta, it's central location, easy accessibility, mass transportation/infrastructure and established political/corporate relationships makes for an easier transition. Outside of the SEC network, what other connection does the SEC have with Charlotte or North Carolina for that matter?

(07-23-2013 11:33 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 11:29 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  SWAC Media Days coming soon to Birmingham!!!

Actually, the SWAC has moved its championship game in football to Houston.

The SIAC which includes Miles is an option. Their championship football game will be held at Legion Field.

When Birmingham loses something from the SEC, they replace it with something from the SWAC. When they lose something from the SWAC, they replace it with something from the SIAC.

(07-22-2013 09:19 PM)rook360 Wrote:  But on the other side it will be a good kick in the butt to local governments to stop trying to appease a conference that doesn't care about them.

This is what it is going to take, IMO, "Rook." It's embarrassing enough to not be part of the "Super 6" rotation, but how many times can the city excuse away all these other losses in regards to its' present football climate?

SEC Media Days does make for some interesting times at the On Tap Galleria location. They get a lot of business from it. I've had some interesting conversations with sports writers at the bar. Needless to say, I tried to communicate that not all Birmingham residents are SEC centric. I remind them that UAB is the home team and needs equal treatment as such.

(07-22-2013 02:44 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  Tickets to the game?

(07-23-2013 11:43 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 11:33 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 11:29 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  SWAC Media Days coming soon to Birmingham!!!

Actually, the SWAC has moved its championship game in football to Houston.

The SIAC which includes Miles is an option. Their championship football game will be held at Legion Field.

When Birmingham loses something from the SEC, they replace it with something from the SWAC. When they lose something from the SWAC, they replace it with something from the SIAC.

I wonder if those who so proudly voted "NO" (or even "Hell NO") back in 1998 (when voting down "MAPS") feel any complicity in this additional loss for metro B'ham and Hoover if it comes about as projected. Hoover has already cut its financial support for its school district in past years and may be about to feel the pinch in other ways as well as tax revenue becomes more and more dependent upon what local citizens are willing to pay out of their own pocket.

Some will claim that each city is an independent island totally unaffected by what happens to other contiguous municipalities, but I disagree. We have seen B'ham decline in wealth and population, Jeffco go into bankruptcy and now Hoover considers ending bus service for its schoolchildren. Does this sound like an argument for total economic independence from each other?.

1998 = 15 years ago.

Get over it.

(There was a Hell No option on the ballot?)

I think that the same thing would have happened even with a YES vote.

Bham & Jefferson County resemble what happened in Detroit quite a bit.

Once dogs & cats start living together, watch out.

(07-23-2013 12:32 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  I think that the same thing would have happened even with a YES vote.

Bham & Jefferson County resemble what happened in Detroit quite a bit.

Once dogs & cats start living together, watch out.

"Coulda, shoulda, woulda" is always open to conjecture. That date may go into history as the day when the people of Jeffco turned their backs on potential prosperity in order to sustain their ill will towards its major central city and their proud tradition of (momentarily) escaping hated taxes. One can never be positive that the "MAPS" projects would have been successful, but we can be sure of the success of the "RAPS" promised alternatives.

Detroit's problems are not unique to just that one city. They are a list of common problems of America's largest cities across this nation. Remember when President Gerald Ford told New York City to "Drop Dead!" when they were struggling? That city of several millions has a lot more resources than the 600,000 population Detroit. There are a lot of Americans who have a general notion that the nation would get along just fine if all its major cities could somehow just vanish leaving just rural and suburban Americans.

(07-23-2013 12:22 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 11:43 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 11:33 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 11:29 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  SWAC Media Days coming soon to Birmingham!!!

Actually, the SWAC has moved its championship game in football to Houston.

The SIAC which includes Miles is an option. Their championship football game will be held at Legion Field.

When Birmingham loses something from the SEC, they replace it with something from the SWAC. When they lose something from the SWAC, they replace it with something from the SIAC.

I wonder if those who so proudly voted "NO" (or even "Hell NO") back in 1998 (when voting down "MAPS") feel any complicity in this additional loss for metro B'ham and Hoover if it comes about as projected. Hoover has already cut its financial support for its school district in past years and may be about to feel the pinch in other ways as well as tax revenue becomes more and more dependent upon what local citizens are willing to pay out of their own pocket. "MAPS Kharma" in its' purest form...And to answer your question, I sincerely doubt it, the turnout was a record number and many of them, I imagine, were more than happy to go to the polls that day & shoot down anything that would give Birmingham the same chances and resources to prosper and progress as their "respective" municipality has...up to now, of course.

Some will claim that each city is an independent island totally unaffected by what happens to other contiguous municipalities, but I disagree. We have seen B'ham decline in wealth and population, Jeffco go into bankruptcy and now Hoover considers ending bus service for its schoolchildren. Does this sound like an argument for total economic independence from each other?.

More like a desire to witness a true meeting of the minds as they've done in Nashville and Mecklenburg County where Charlotte resides. Regional Government, which ain't gonna happen here, I'm afraid, not in our lifetimes, anyway.Acrimony and adversarialism still exists in Jefferson County, in spite of some gradual but noteworthy breakthroughs on the part of the city to improve some aspects in quality of life, the fact of the matter is, there are pockets of people that live here that simply want to see Birmingham fail and fail miserably.

(07-23-2013 01:46 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 12:32 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  I think that the same thing would have happened even with a YES vote.

Bham & Jefferson County resemble what happened in Detroit quite a bit.

Once dogs & cats start living together, watch out.

"Coulda, shoulda, woulda" is always open to conjecture. That date may go into history as the day when the people of Jeffco turned their backs on potential prosperity in order to sustain their ill will towards its major central city and their proud tradition of (momentarily) escaping hated taxes. One can never be positive that the "MAPS" projects would have been successful, but we can be sure of the success of the "RAPS" promised alternatives.

Detroit's problems are not unique to just that one city. They are a list of common problems of America's largest cities across this nation. Remember when President Gerald Ford told New York City to "Drop Dead!" when they were struggling? That city of several millions has a lot more resources than the 600,000 population Detroit. There are a lot of Americans who have a general notion that the nation would get along just fine if all its major cities could somehow just vanish leaving just rural and suburban Americans.

Yes, and that same tax would still be in place today.

I hope they stay in town because it provides tax revenue locally and gives the area media coverage. I would be all for them moving it to the new Westin downtown though instead of being at the Galleria.

(07-23-2013 11:29 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  SWAC Media Days coming soon to Birmingham!!!

A SWAC football media day has always been in Birmingham. They've rotated between the Sheraton and the Harbert Center for years.

(07-23-2013 12:32 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  I think that the same thing would have happened even with a YES vote.

Bham & Jefferson County resemble what happened in Detroit quite a bit.

Once dogs & cats start living together, watch out.

One thing to remember. Their tax base went from 1.5 million to 750,000. Ours went from 260,000 to 210,000. In that sense it's apples to oranges. UAB is keeping this city afloat in a time when the city could actually make a pivot for the better. Detroit is dead and gone. There is no single entity or small group of entities that could save Detroit, but Birmingham is small enough to recondition itself. We are blessed to be a bit more nimble.

Also, I feel like we've fought through the blight phase and we made it to the gentrification phase. Southside and Downtown don't look post-apocalyptic like Detroit.

(07-23-2013 07:46 PM)Hambit Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 12:32 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  I think that the same thing would have happened even with a YES vote.

Bham & Jefferson County resemble what happened in Detroit quite a bit.

Once dogs & cats start living together, watch out.

One thing to remember. Their tax base went from 1.5 million to 750,000. Ours went from 260,000 to 210,000. In that sense it's apples to oranges. UAB is keeping this city afloat in a time when the city could actually make a pivot for the better. Detroit is dead and gone. There is no single entity or small group of entities that could save Detroit, but Birmingham is small enough to recondition itself. We are blessed to be a bit more nimble.

Also, I feel like we've fought through the blight phase and we made it to the gentrification phase. Southside and Downtown don't look post-apocalyptic like Detroit.

Also, Detroit, even in its current straits, still has 600,000 population which is about twice as many citizens as B'ham had back when it was comparable to Atlanta. B'ham is a treading water city in a declining state that had 9 House members in 1950 and now has - and hopes to keep - 7 going into the 2020 census. Detroit, in its auto manufacturing past is indeed gone but it can be saved if the state of Michigan decides it is good to help it find a new identity, just as B'ham had to do when US Steel closed down and they saw a renewed opportunity with the UAB Medical Center and UAB.

Mobile is still likely to replace B'ham as the state's largest metroarea in the next 15 to 20 years since the state gives them far more help in growing than it gives Jeffco and B'ham.(Bentley wasn't in Paris looking to help B'ham get more airplane business, was he?) And they have their own university (USA), medical center and medical school with no BOT 60 miles away to interfere with how they run it.

Detroit has a great geographical location on the river linking Lake Erie with Lake Huron astride one of the great commercial waterways in the world and connected by bridges to a great city of Canada. There are great potentials for the future but like B'ham, it needs to be valued by its own state and its nation in order to rebound.