(09-19-2013 02:51 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Only after they gave his AAU coach a spot on the staff. Thought that was against the rules. Apparently Tiny Morton the said coach asked Lavin why he didn't offer him a job. Pretty shady stuff. Glad we didn't get that baggage.

Happens all the time. Larry Brown put Danny Manning's father on his coaching staff in order to recruit him. Two days later, Danny Manning committed to Kansas.

It's a risky thing to do which is probably why Lavin didn't do it and why most established head coaches won't do it. Nothing will undermine a coach's authority faster than having one of your star players answering to someone else.

The issue for me is, we brought in AAU coach mow hicks when Lavin first got there and we we're told we couldn't recruit anyone from his AAU team for three years. The rule I thought came into place after the OJ Mayo debacle.

(09-19-2013 03:47 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The issue for me is, we brought in AAU coach mow hicks when Lavin first got there and we we're told we couldn't recruit anyone from his AAU team for three years. The rule I thought came into place after the OJ Mayo debacle.

I don't know quite how it all works, but there's something about if you bring a coach on as a DOBO you can't get any of his players for x amount of years, but recruiting assistants don't have that limitation... or something like that.

That said, I'm kind of surprised it's taken Tiny Morton this long to get a position. And that comment about Lavin is just weird and off-putting, although probably a reference to last year.

Sour grapes...So SJU was just supposed to come in the final week and scoop up a McD AA like magic, when that they stopped recruiting IW for Kaleb Joseph right. Did they really think IW forgot that. In the end that had as much to do with his decision not to go to SJU as anything.

Quote:...St. John’s, meanwhile, backed off this summer until recently re-entering the picture. “It appealed to me greatly, that’s the reason I’m going there to tell you the truth,” the dynamic 6-foot-4 shooting guard said of Seton Hall. St. John’s, meanwhile, didn’t view him the same way until recently, he felt. “I don’t understand why they would now,” Whitehead said.

http://nypost.com/2013/09/19/seton-hall-...d-sources/

I saw on tv the night before IW signed were pictures of Baron Davis on SJU campus. Stuff like that is ok right. SHU at the moment doesn't have multi-million dollar former NBA'ers to "meet" recruits. So I guess Willard was just supposed to lay down and give up. He's not paid to loose recruits, he's paid handsomely to work within the school's conduct code & the NCAA rules. Gary Parrish:

Quote:Whitehead committed to Seton Hall on Thursday afternoon. So Willard now has his first consensus top-20 recruit and momentum within his program. And some of you are seriously questioning the move? Seriously?

First off, it's a legal move. This is completely within NCAA guidelines.

And, really, that should be the end of the conversation unless you want to argue that Seton Hall -- freaking Seton Hall! -- shouldn't do something within the rules to land its first top-20 recruit in more than a decade...if you don't think it's something that Kevin Willard at Seton Hall should've done under these circumstances, honestly, you're probably too naive to understand the inner-workings of high-major hoops.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...-its-smart

Anybody with a beef, prove it or save it!

Post-realignment I haven't seen fans of BE schools knocking each other until now, when "little" SHU has the nerve to try to step up it's program by recruiting w/the big boys. The story here is that this summer SHU went head-to-head with Kentucky, 2 B1G schools (Ind & Minny), the ACC (Pitt), the AAC (Cinci) & fellow BE squads (Prov & SJU) & went 3-1. That amounts to a top5 class, so after that of course the envy follows ...whatever picture this!

(09-19-2013 02:51 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Only after they gave his AAU coach a spot on the staff. Thought that was against the rules. Apparently Tiny Morton the said coach asked Lavin why he didn't offer him a job. Pretty shady stuff. Glad we didn't get that baggage.

saw this on NBCSports.com:
Hiring Morton as an assistant is a completely legal move by Willard, even if it does come across as a bit unsanitary. A few years back, the NCAA implemented a rule that eliminated package deals and job for third-parties connected to a recruit unless the job that was being filled was one of the three assistant coach positions on that staff. Morton would be an assistant coach for the Pirates.

First, from my point of view, I wanted IW in the Big East. His final 5 included Minnesota, Pitt and Indiana too. So I was rooting for either Seton Hall or St John's equally. I mean, this is a huge, significant commit... huge...! And is it a sign that Pitt is losing its former NYC recruiting base...? Huge implications.

Secondly, I don't see St John's or anyone really "knocking" Seton Hall. It's the normal 2 or 3 day venting and assessing period which all of us are doing, like when Abdul Malik Abu chose NC State 2 weeks ago over PC after saying he'd "shock the world"... and who knows what Gottfried promised him during the last minute campus visit. But after 24 hours it's water under the bridge and it's on to the next high-level recruit-- AM Abu just felt NC State was a better fit for him.

Now, I think it's cool that conference-mates want to maintain high standards for all Big East schools, so we're talking it through-- unlike football conferences that proudly claim "if you're not cheating, then you're not trying..."

Thirdly, I agree with your general sentiment... you know, all these high end schools get away with boatloads of actual illegal recruiting-- freakin Calipari and UNC and Miami and UCLA and the rest (not the Johnnies, I'm talking the corrupt places)... but here's Willard actually staying within the confines of NCAA rules, and he gets criticized. It's like, everyone wants Seton Hall to stay in place--> to them, it's a place where Seton Hall is low in the standings... now, the only issue is what Bill Marsh noted, which is remote possibility--> is if there's negative feedback if Willard loses some respect and authority... but I don't see that happening.

Fourthly, the Big East is going to be amazing in the upcoming few years. 9 teams are stacked.. really only DePaul remains as a school that needs to turn things around, but they've also gotten some great recruiting and are in the running for Cliff Alexander...! This truly is looking like a future 7 or 8 bid conference...!

(09-20-2013 12:42 PM)billyjack Wrote:  First, from my point of view, I wanted IW in the Big East. His final 5 included Minnesota, Pitt and Indiana too. So I was rooting for either Seton Hall or St John's equally. I mean, this is a huge, significant commit... huge...! And is it a sign that Pitt is losing its former NYC recruiting base...? Huge implications.

Secondly, I don't see St John's or anyone really "knocking" Seton Hall. It's the normal 2 or 3 day venting and assessing period which all of us are doing, like when Abdul Malik Abu chose NC State 2 weeks ago over PC after saying he'd "shock the world"... and who knows what Gottfried promised him during the last minute campus visit. But after 24 hours it's water under the bridge and it's on to the next high-level recruit-- AM Abu just felt NC State was a better fit for him.

Now, I think it's cool that conference-mates want to maintain high standards for all Big East schools, so we're talking it through-- unlike football conferences that proudly claim "if you're not cheating, then you're not trying..."

Thirdly, I agree with your general sentiment... you know, all these high end schools get away with boatloads of actual illegal recruiting-- freakin Calipari and UNC and Miami and UCLA and the rest (not the Johnnies, I'm talking the corrupt places)... but here's Willard actually staying within the confines of NCAA rules, and he gets criticized. It's like, everyone wants Seton Hall to stay in place--> to them, it's a place where Seton Hall is low in the standings... now, the only issue is what Bill Marsh noted, which is remote possibility--> is if there's negative feedback if Willard loses some respect and authority... but I don't see that happening.

Fourthly, the Big East is going to be amazing in the upcoming few years. 9 teams are stacked.. really only DePaul remains as a school that needs to turn things around, but they've also gotten some great recruiting and are in the running for Cliff Alexander...! This truly is looking like a future 7 or 8 bid conference...!

Well played by a neutral party (w/a BE lean). Only thing I would add is this. SHU has been down toooooo long for any of us fans to accept the "standard" venting from others. Anyone who follows the BE knows that SHU wasn't a lock to get to this level anytime soon and now that we have, the haters pop out like SHU did something disgraceful, or new:

Quote:CINCINNATI: Mick Cronin, Damon Flint's high school assistant coach, joined Bob Huggins' staff two seasons after Flint started playing for the Bearcats in 1994-95. Flint was co-captain as a senior in 1996-97 after averaging 12.8 points and 3.5 assists per game as a junior. Cronin went on to become Murray State's head coach before becoming the Bearcats' bench boss in 2006.

Quote:RHODE ISLAND: Jerry DeGregorio, who coached Lamar Odom at St. Thomas Aquinas H.S. in New Britain, Conn., was on Jim Harrick's staff. Odom left the Rams after only one season to become the fourth pick overall in the 1999 NBA draft by the Los Angeles Clippers. DeGregorio was promoted to head coach after Harrick departed for Georgia.

Quote:ST. JOHN'S: Darren Savino, a local assistant high school coach, joined Fran Fraschilla's staff in 1996 one year before celebrated center James Felton enrolled. Embattled Felton was booted off the squad for repeated violations before his freshman semester was over. . . . Dermon Player, an assistant high school coach in the Bronx, joined Mike Jarvis' staff in 1998 directly with Anthony Glover and two years after Chudney Gray enrolled. Player also coached in the Riverside Church program, where many New York standouts play, including Red Storm playmaker Erick Barkley, who became an NBA first-round draft choice in 2000 after his sophomore season. In 1999-2000, Gray averaged 8 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.8 apg and 1.3 spg as a senior while Glover contributed 10.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg and 1.5 spg as a sophomore. Glover was the school's leading rebounder and second-leading rebounder as a junior and senior.

Quote:VILLANOVA: Jimmy Salmon joined Steve Lappas' staff directly with star forward Tim Thomas, who averaged 16.9 points and six rebounds per game in 1996-97 as a freshman before turning pro early and becoming the seventh pick overall in the NBA draft.

http://collegehoopedia.com/coaches/high-school-reunions

I supported SJU when they finally got a coach that could put them back on top in Lavs, even though dude was an underachiever with a face made for tv, that couldn't coach a lick at UCLA. But dude could recruit his ARSE off, so I loved the choice. I don't care about his methods he got it done, SJU probably feel the same. I would assume you remember how it felt once cooley finally signed Ledo. All of the critics were nitpicking at your prog's integrity too, while all you could probably think of was thank goodness the Keno era is behind us. Same here...We're waking from a Bobby Gonzalez nightmare and could care less whether others approve.

Go Big East!!

Those in the loop, How will this effect Nova's recruiting going forward???

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...ge-to-nba/

Creighton got an committment today from SF Leon Gilmore III from Texas. Gilmore is the first verbal commit for the Creighton Bluejays as a member of the Big East Conference. Gilmore is a consensus Top 150 player for the 2014 class. He’s #121 on Rivals.com; a three-star on Scout.com; a four-star on ESPN.com; #74 on Future150.com; and #90 on 247sports.com. Great get for Creighton as Gilmore has the athleticism that Creighton lacks to compliment our great shooters.

(09-23-2013 03:08 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  Creighton got an committment today from SF Leon Gilmore III from Texas. Gilmore is the first verbal commit for the Creighton Bluejays as a member of the Big East Conference. Gilmore is a consensus Top 150 player for the 2014 class. He’s #121 on Rivals.com; a three-star on Scout.com; a four-star on ESPN.com; #74 on Future150.com; and #90 on 247sports.com. Great get for Creighton as Gilmore has the athleticism that Creighton lacks to compliment our great shooters.

Great pickup for Creighton! Congrats!
I read that he's related to Artis Gilmore...?

Xavier landed 4 star and Scout Top 100 Makinde London 6-10 F with guard skills. Huge get. X still in the hunt for C Sean O'Mara. Potential top 15-20 class

(09-25-2013 03:40 PM)Xumuskie1994 Wrote:  Xavier landed 4 star and Scout Top 100 Makinde London 6-10 F with guard skills. Huge get. X still in the hunt for C Sean O'Mara. Potential top 15-20 class

Kid's a baller. We'd been on him awhile butaccepted a commitment from Michael Gilmore over Makinde and X sealed the deal. Great get for you all.