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(07-27-2013 05:54 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  When the Big 12 GoR expires, they're probably going to lose at least Texas and Oklahoma and 16 will be the new number for major conference. So they'd need at least 8 schools. BYU is out. I don't think they would expand further into Texas or Oklahoma, so that leaves :

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If they lose Oklahoma state along with Oklahoma then Tulsa becomes a candidate. If they lose Texas Tech along with Texas then Houston probably gets in.

If UT or OU leaves so will Texas Tech, OSU, and KU. UT will either go PAC or B1G. OU, Tech, and OSU go PAC. KU will go PAC or B1G. If UT goes B1G, #4 to the PAC gets interesting. My bet is UH (as a travel partner for Tech) but I won't be surprised if it's a wild card team.
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RE: Big 12 Expansion Candidates
(07-27-2013 03:56 PM)lew240z Wrote:  
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(07-25-2013 05:02 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Air Force and Navy

Why not add Air Force, Army, Navy and the other school could be ECU (four football only members). Having all three service academies in the same conference would give the B12 more national appeal. Moreover, ECU is the most marketable school to pair with WV. The Mountaineers and Pirates make a good combo as villains in the B12. ECU has a B12 size fan base and power conference facilities. However, BYU would be the best addition on the list. BYU could be the third and only other marquee school in the conference behind OU and TX.

Air Force has already said no at least twice. I doubt Navy would have any interest and Army couldn't cut it in the C-USA. You greatly overestimate the national appeal of the service academies.

Air Force would join if Army and Navy also joined. Regarding greatly overestimating the national appeal of the service academies, you are looking at it from the perspective of each academy separately instead of the value of having all three in the same conference. Moreover, your comment about “Army couldn't cut it in the C-USA”, it can do no worse than KU on the field. FOX would love to have all three service academies in the B12 and on national tv because most of the country would root for them to beat the other B12 schools. Consequently, this is why having all three is more valuable and appealing than just having one….
07-28-2013 12:42 AM
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RE: Big 12 Expansion Candidates
(07-27-2013 03:56 PM)lew240z Wrote:  
(07-27-2013 11:03 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(07-25-2013 05:02 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Air Force and Navy

Why not add Air Force, Army, Navy and the other school could be ECU (four football only members). Having all three service academies in the same conference would give the B12 more national appeal. Moreover, ECU is the most marketable school to pair with WV. The Mountaineers and Pirates make a good combo as villains in the B12. ECU has a B12 size fan base and power conference facilities. However, BYU would be the best addition on the list. BYU could be the third and only other marquee school in the conference behind OU and TX.

Air Force has already said no at least twice. I doubt Navy would have any interest and Army couldn't cut it in the C-USA. You greatly overestimate the national appeal of the service academies.

It's an on-line obsession to over-rate the appeal of the academies as FB draws for TV. People think that because Army-Navy draws that Army-Kansas or Navy-TexasTech would, but the truth is that those games would draw fans of those schools and little else.

It's not your patriotic duty to watch Houston or Cincinnati beat up Navy.
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Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, and West Virginia are the National recognized Power brokers in the Big 12 if the First Two leave there isn't anyone else to sustain a major conference standing. WVU would be gone in a Flash, probably to the ACC/SEC. KU Basketball would take Them to the B1G/SEC. Not sure what would happen to TCU, TT, ISU, KSU, Baylor. MWC, AAC or new Conference.
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Come end of the day, the Big 12 should get to 14 teams after all they own the name Big 14 anyway. They should add Cincinnati, Connecticut, BYU and one of Central Florida, South Florida or Tulane. 07-coffee3
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(07-27-2013 05:54 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  When the Big 12 GoR expires, they're probably going to lose at least Texas and Oklahoma and 16 will be the new number for major conference. So they'd need at least 8 schools. BYU is out.
If the B <12 somehow lost Texas and Oklahoma (not likely), BYU would have little to gain by joining the 8 others.
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While the poll system has a limited number of choices you can use, I can't figure out how ECU isn't there.
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(07-28-2013 10:41 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Come end of the day, the Big 12 should get to 14 teams after all they own the name Big 14 anyway. They should add Cincinnati, Connecticut, BYU and one of Central Florida, South Florida or Tulane.
If the league ever does go to 14, then I think the 4 additions will definitely come from those 6 candidates.
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RE: Big 12 Expansion Candidates
Cincinnati and East Carolina. Getting into Florida is nice for the Big 12, but Cincinnati more than anyone outside a "power conference" (and even compared to many in them) deserves a spot at the table. East Carolina while not quite as successful on the field as Cincy's been the last several years has the fanbase of a major program and all the potential in the world to go from their current good program to great or even elite. Those also give you a nice trio of schools in the Eastern Time Zone when combined with WVU.

If they were to go to 14 like the Big Ten, ACC and SEC then adding UCF and USF are no brainers.
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(07-28-2013 11:43 AM)brista21 Wrote:  Cincinnati and East Carolina. Getting into Florida is nice for the Big 12, but Cincinnati more than anyone outside a "power conference" (and even compared to many in them) deserves a spot at the table. East Carolina while not quite as successful on the field as Cincy's been the last several years has the fanbase of a major program and all the potential in the world to go from their current good program to great or even elite. Those also give you a nice trio of schools in the Eastern Time Zone when combined with WVU.

If they were to go to 14 like the Big Ten, ACC and SEC then adding UCF and USF are no brainers.

The problem with all of this is that if the Big 12 catches up with the Big 10, SEC, and ACC with the number of teams they are too late to the game to do it with the caliber of additions that would put them on par with the total strength of the other 3 conferences when all things are considered: academics, profitability of all members, attendance, travel attendance, stadium sizes, and most importantly making up the difference in market disparity. The rock and the hard place now exists between those who claim that the Big 12 is stronger in many regards with 10 (and they are) and those who claim they will always be a target unless they grow (and they will be). They are still positioned in the smallest footprint and between three conferences who have already raided them so growing is a must for stability. But, if they can't grow with additions that make more for everyone they would be foolish to do so. So stalemate exists on the growth issue for the Big 12.

I don't know if it will happen but Cincinnati, B.Y.U., Connecticut, and others definitely deserve a spot in the upper tier. But the only way to accomplish that with some kind of balance is for them to each find their own way into 18 member conferences. Why? Because to accommodate 72 schools, and do it with balance, conferences of 3 six team divisions will need to come into play.

Part of the objective of the networks is to see some semblance of balance between the 4 regions. While that does not have to necessitate the same number of teams per conference it definitely needs to have some balance in earning potential (which helps with equal access to talent) and in crowd draw and to some extent in facilities to make the games as appealing as possible to television. If you added any of the four teams mentioned to the Big 12 inequity would exist between the Big 12 and SEC, PAC, and Big 10 to such an extent that balance would not be able to be maintained. Actually, they do have a great degree of balance with 10 schools in earnings for now. But the issue there is "for now".

Schools like Cincinnati, Connecticut, B.Y.U., East Carolina, South Florida, Southern Methodist, Houston, and perhaps Rice or Tulane could be valuable to the remaining conferences for their academics, relationships to AAU, or simply for an entry into an untapped television market. Some of those schools are valuable because they compete well. But none of them will get consideration unless we have a movement toward a negotiated balancing of markets and earnings potential between conferences. Not all inequities will be dealt with. The SEC will still exist in the most talent rich area of the country and that can't be changed. The Big 10 will likely still have the best research assistance in the CIC, and the PAC simply owns the West geographically (both an attribute that has kept them from being raided and an obstacle to their growth). The ACC could easily grow into an equal rival of both the SEC and Big 10 should they ever attract the kinds of additions that would draw national eyeballs. Should there be a move to 4 conferences the likelihood of being able to place 8 more schools profitably (and therefore move to 72 by including almost all of the schools talked about as expansion candidates in this thread) becomes much more doable than simply adding 4 of them to the Big 12.
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UH and Cincy to get to 12 and I suppose the Florida schools to get to 14.
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The UL Ragin' Cajuns are the sleepers to get in---They have the perfect geographical fit---Their facilities will rival all---the stadium will hold 65K----they are ranked ahead of several SEC and other AQ schools now----The enrollment is projected over 20K and the 8 parish area is exploding---Also it is one of the wealthiest places in the country whose residents and UL alumni are finally getting behind with bucks and all kinds of support!!! Geaux Cajuns!!!
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I wish the Big 12 would invite BYU and Boise State for FOOTBALL ONLY.
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Houston and Cincy
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(07-28-2013 06:13 PM)PistolChad Wrote:  I wish the Big 12 would invite BYU and Boise State for FOOTBALL ONLY.
We know that Boise is at least willing to consider a football-only arrangement, so there's that. But is the Big <XII willing to consider it?

I still think Boise's inferior academic standing will prevent schools like KU and UT from being willing to associate with it at the level of athletic-conference-membership, even if the membership is only for football.
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thought cincy and louisville up until last yr, but now usf/ucf combo
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(07-28-2013 10:06 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(07-28-2013 06:13 PM)PistolChad Wrote:  I wish the Big 12 would invite BYU and Boise State for FOOTBALL ONLY.
We know that Boise is at least willing to consider a football-only arrangement, so there's that. But is the Big <XII willing to consider it?

I still think Boise's inferior academic standing will prevent schools like KU and UT from being willing to associate with it at the level of athletic-conference-membership, even if the membership is only for football.

Academics, plus population, plus lack of long-term history.

Idaho has a few hundred thousand less people than Nebraska. Boise State doesn't have Nebraska's academic reputation, and Boise's football success is relatively recent while Nebraska is a top-5 all-time program.
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I voted for BYU. If offered b12 membership when faced with the possibility of football extinction, they will choose to make some kind of arrangement with BYUTV and work something out with regards to the Sunday play issue so that it does not harm their conference brethren.

If it's not BYU, then I would think that the B12 would choose to jump to 14 with the additions of UCF, USF, Cincy and UConn. If UConn is in the ACC when this occurs, then ECU could come into play.
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(07-28-2013 10:36 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  they will choose to make some kind of arrangement with BYUTV and work something out with regards to the Sunday play issue so that it does not harm their conference brethren.
I don't think many non-Mormons are aware of this, but the whole "never on Sunday" thing is (from LDS standpoint) not necessarily a permanent feature. The church authorities have changed other aspects of Mormon theology in the past, and they can change this one, too.
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(07-29-2013 12:30 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(07-28-2013 10:36 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  they will choose to make some kind of arrangement with BYUTV and work something out with regards to the Sunday play issue so that it does not harm their conference brethren.
I don't think many non-Mormons are aware of this, but the whole "never on Sunday" thing is (from LDS standpoint) not necessarily a permanent feature. The church authorities have changed other aspects of Mormon theology in the past, and they can change this one, too.
Who plays on Sunday anyway?
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