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I'm sure somebody would hire richt if he gets canned and wants to coach again, uconn?
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(09-03-2013 11:08 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I'm sure somebody would hire richt if he gets canned and wants to coach again, uconn?

No doubt he would be hired quickly. He is still a great coach, just not elite. He tries to run a very clean program and is by all accounts an upstanding guy. He would really excel at a school where fielding a good team is important but a national title is not a "need".
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(09-03-2013 11:14 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(09-03-2013 11:08 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I'm sure somebody would hire richt if he gets canned and wants to coach again, uconn?

No doubt he would be hired quickly. He is still a great coach, just not elite. He tries to run a very clean program and is by all accounts an upstanding guy. He would really excel at a school where fielding a good team is important but a national title is not a "need".

I agree. He would have been the ideal coach for Miami but I'm not taking anything away from Al Golden who I think will do a good job there..
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Holgerson will be getting in the seat. He hired our defensive coordinator/cornerbacks coach after he was fired. Under Mitchell we had the worst overall defense in NCAA history when we gave up more points in a season than any other team ever in NCAA football history. Average quarterbacks would put up video game numbers on our defense and look like Heisman candidates. Now he is their cornerbacks coach.

You just have to question how smart Holgerson really is in terms of being a Head Coach when he makes bad hires. Not to mention the verbal blunders and drunken blunders he has made in his short stint at WVU. I still to this day cannot see why Stewart was forced out for Holgerson. Stewart had solid teams and one thing I will say is that Stewart had teams that could at least compete and have a chance to win at the end against Top 5 teams. The 17-14 loss in Baton Rouge comes to mind.
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(09-03-2013 11:36 AM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  Holgerson will be getting in the seat. He hired our defensive coordinator/cornerbacks coach after he was fired. Under Mitchell we had the worst overall defense in NCAA history when we gave up more points in a season than any other team ever in NCAA football history. Average quarterbacks would put up video game numbers on our defense and look like Heisman candidates. Now he is their cornerbacks coach.

You just have to question how smart Holgerson really is in terms of being a Head Coach when he makes bad hires. Not to mention the verbal blunders and drunken blunders he has made in his short stint at WVU. I still to this day cannot see why Stewart was forced out for Holgerson. Stewart had solid teams and one thing I will say is that Stewart had teams that could at least compete and have a chance to win at the end against Top 5 teams. The 17-14 loss in Baton Rouge comes to mind.

Yeah, I think he really needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat somehow. I don't think this year is his do or die year but if they have another mediocre year this year then I think next year is his hot seat year.
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(09-03-2013 10:47 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(09-02-2013 10:52 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(09-02-2013 09:42 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Update after week one.

Ferentz is as good as gone (see above).

I'm adding Mark Richt to the list. I really think he has to run the table to keep his job. The feeling of the Georgia faithful has to be that he is never going to get the job done and he's been given enough time. If they lose to Carolina, he may not finish the season.

Neither Pelini nor Holgerson helped their causes.

Four straight losses to "little brother" Carolina will be too much for UGA fans to stomach. That seat will get hot very quickly if things go bad for them this weekend.

Agreed. He is getting the same rep at "Big Game Bob" at Oklahoma, and that is not going to get any better if he loses to USC at home.

I don't agree with you guys. He almost took Bama down last year. Had that receiver just intentionally dropped the pass, then I think Georgia would have won the SEC and won the National Title. This year they are doing some rebuilding on defense. You don't fire a coach for that. Last year was his best year to win a title. I am not sure what the future holds for NC in the future.
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(09-03-2013 11:46 AM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  
(09-03-2013 10:47 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(09-02-2013 10:52 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(09-02-2013 09:42 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Update after week one.

Ferentz is as good as gone (see above).

I'm adding Mark Richt to the list. I really think he has to run the table to keep his job. The feeling of the Georgia faithful has to be that he is never going to get the job done and he's been given enough time. If they lose to Carolina, he may not finish the season.

Neither Pelini nor Holgerson helped their causes.

Four straight losses to "little brother" Carolina will be too much for UGA fans to stomach. That seat will get hot very quickly if things go bad for them this weekend.

Agreed. He is getting the same rep at "Big Game Bob" at Oklahoma, and that is not going to get any better if he loses to USC at home.

I don't agree with you guys. He almost took Bama down last year. Had that receiver just intentionally dropped the pass, then I think Georgia would have won the SEC and won the National Title. This year they are doing some rebuilding on defense. You don't fire a coach for that. Last year was his best year to win a title. I am not sure what the future holds for NC in the future.

Exactly... he "almost" wins every time. He never pulls them out. I'm not saying I agree... that is just how UGA fans see it. They have been through some heartbreak throughout the tenure of Richt. Some of that is a result of him always fielding a respectable team. If Richt could have just pulled out one of those near misses to get a national championship, he is fine. I know Bobby Cox went through the same thing before finally winning one.
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(09-03-2013 11:45 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(09-03-2013 11:36 AM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  Holgerson will be getting in the seat. He hired our defensive coordinator/cornerbacks coach after he was fired. Under Mitchell we had the worst overall defense in NCAA history when we gave up more points in a season than any other team ever in NCAA football history. Average quarterbacks would put up video game numbers on our defense and look like Heisman candidates. Now he is their cornerbacks coach.

You just have to question how smart Holgerson really is in terms of being a Head Coach when he makes bad hires. Not to mention the verbal blunders and drunken blunders he has made in his short stint at WVU. I still to this day cannot see why Stewart was forced out for Holgerson. Stewart had solid teams and one thing I will say is that Stewart had teams that could at least compete and have a chance to win at the end against Top 5 teams. The 17-14 loss in Baton Rouge comes to mind.
Yeah, I think he really needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat somehow. I don't think this year is his do or die year but if they have another mediocre year this year then I think next year is his hot seat year.
I doubt that Holgorsen is in that much trouble. Ollie still believes in him, which tends to make me believe he's got at least another year before his seat gets any heat put to it...

WVU stepped up in competition when the Mountaineers entered the Big XII, and it takes time to build the kind of team needed to compete consistently at that level. I think Ollie has him on a 5 year plan...
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(07-23-2013 02:10 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Gary Pinkel can survive a mediocre season (at least 6 wins), but he may not survive a bad one.

I think your analysis is accurate here, but I think Pinkel gets his 6 plus one or two this year.
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Week three update"

Pelini: 10 degrees hotter; I'm starting to think he won't be able to turn this around
Brown: 10 degrees hotter. He should start drafting his "voluntary" retirement speech.
Ferentz: no change for an unimpressive win over a team in trouble
Holgerson: no change
Kiffin: no help from beating BC

Somebody suggested Sarkesian and I noted I had considered him for the list but thought he'd get another year. In any event, unless there is a complete collapse of the Huskies, he looks safe.
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Pelini is interesting. You look at their schedule- they split with Northwestern/Michigan, they don't play another ranked team the rest of the year. Illionois, Purdue, Minnesota, Michigan St, Penn St, and Iowa- they could easily win all of those. It's another 10-2 type year maybe winning the division.

With their schedule, they finish 7-5 or 8-4, he's gone.
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(09-16-2013 10:13 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Week three update"

Pelini: 10 degrees hotter; I'm starting to think he won't be able to turn this around
Brown: 10 degrees hotter. He should start drafting his "voluntary" retirement speech.
Ferentz: no change for an unimpressive win over a team in trouble
Holgerson: no change
Kiffin: no help from beating BC

Somebody suggested Sarkesian and I noted I had considered him for the list but thought he'd get another year. In any event, unless there is a complete collapse of the Huskies, he looks safe.

At some point, Washington is going to have to beat Oregon and/or Stanford. He doesn't keep his job always looking at their backs in the standings.

As for Nebraska, the Legends is still very much in reach for them. They get most of their more difficult games at home, with the exceptions of Meesh and PSU. The question for them is, does Michigan survive their schedule and how legit is Northwestern? The path for the Big Ten title gets easier for UNL next year when they aren't in direct competition with Michigan...I think next year determines Pelini's fate. Unless the Cornhuskers utterly collapse this season, Bo's still safe.
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(09-16-2013 10:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  At some point, Washington is going to have to beat Oregon and/or Stanford.


Washington beat Stanford last year.

(09-16-2013 10:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think next year determines Pelini's fate. Unless the Cornhuskers utterly collapse this season, Bo's still safe.

Nebraska has it easy the next few weeks: FCS South Dakota State, bye, Illinois, Purdue, bye, Minnesota. Their next tough opponent is Northwestern on November 2. Assuming the Huskers don't derp one of those easy games, they'll be 6-1 when they play NW. Even if the Huskers only win 2 more after that, that would be 8 wins and ought to be enough to get Pelini another year, though if he only wins 8, he will be at the top of the 2014 hot seat list.
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(09-16-2013 10:36 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-16-2013 10:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  At some point, Washington is going to have to beat Oregon and/or Stanford.


Washington beat Stanford last year.

Quote: He doesn't keep his job always looking at their backs in the standings.

It's got to lead to something, is what I mean.
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(09-16-2013 10:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(09-16-2013 10:36 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-16-2013 10:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  At some point, Washington is going to have to beat Oregon and/or Stanford.


Washington beat Stanford last year.

Quote: He doesn't keep his job always looking at their backs in the standings.

It's got to lead to something, is what I mean.

So you mean Sark has to finish ahead of Oregon or Stanford at some point ... maybe so. Interesting question not only for Sark, but also Dykes, Riley, and Leach -- how many years do you get at your $2 million/year job if you can't crack the top of the division? Maybe the Pac-12 North is going to be as brutal on coaches as the SEC West, where a lot of guys have been pushed out because they couldn't keep up with Bama and LSU.
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(09-16-2013 10:36 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-16-2013 10:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  At some point, Washington is going to have to beat Oregon and/or Stanford.


Washington beat Stanford last year.

(09-16-2013 10:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think next year determines Pelini's fate. Unless the Cornhuskers utterly collapse this season, Bo's still safe.

Nebraska has it easy the next few weeks: FCS South Dakota State, bye, Illinois, Purdue, bye, Minnesota. Their next tough opponent is Northwestern on November 2. Assuming the Huskers don't derp one of those easy games, they'll be 6-1 when they play NW. Even if the Huskers only win 2 more after that, that would be 8 wins and ought to be enough to get Pelini another year, though if he only wins 8, he will be at the top of the 2014 hot seat list.

Based on performances on the field to date, Illinois is not going to be a pushover for NB.
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(09-16-2013 11:02 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-16-2013 10:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(09-16-2013 10:36 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-16-2013 10:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  At some point, Washington is going to have to beat Oregon and/or Stanford.


Washington beat Stanford last year.

Quote: He doesn't keep his job always looking at their backs in the standings.

It's got to lead to something, is what I mean.

So you mean Sark has to finish ahead of Oregon or Stanford at some point ... maybe so. Interesting question not only for Sark, but also Dykes, Riley, and Leach -- how many years do you get at your $2 million/year job if you can't crack the top of the division? Maybe the Pac-12 North is going to be as brutal on coaches as the SEC West, where a lot of guys have been pushed out because they couldn't keep up with Bama and LSU.

Which coaches were pushed out because they couldn't compete with Bama/LSU? Petrino left for other reasons. Chizik was fired because Auburn couldn't compete with anyone. Ditto for Houston Nutt and Sylvester Croom. Auburn fans didn't like Tuberville when he was undefeated, so it's no surprise he got fired at 2-6.

Who was the last SEC West coach fired for performance against LSU/Bama?
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Scott Shafer at Syracuse will probably be given 2 years before he is evaluated, but losing at Tulane wouldn't help. He'd be 1-3 at that point - and would enter every ACC game as an underdog EXCEPT for the Wake game. Going 3-9 would NOT make this off-season easy for him at all considering this unit just won 8 games last year under Marrone.
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(09-16-2013 11:02 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-16-2013 10:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(09-16-2013 10:36 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(09-16-2013 10:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  At some point, Washington is going to have to beat Oregon and/or Stanford.


Washington beat Stanford last year.

Quote: He doesn't keep his job always looking at their backs in the standings.

It's got to lead to something, is what I mean.

So you mean Sark has to finish ahead of Oregon or Stanford at some point ... maybe so. Interesting question not only for Sark, but also Dykes, Riley, and Leach -- how many years do you get at your $2 million/year job if you can't crack the top of the division? Maybe the Pac-12 North is going to be as brutal on coaches as the SEC West, where a lot of guys have been pushed out because they couldn't keep up with Bama and LSU.

I think the folks in Seattle would like to be in a place where they finish consistently in the top 2 of that side of the division. I don't think it's that contentious outside of three or four schools (fourth being Cal). For Washington, it's getting back to the form of the late 1980's and 1990's, and for Cal, it's just not being the least successful California football program.

PAC 12 South is probably the thankless side of that conference as a coach, I would assume.
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wow, Pelini may have really stepped in it...

Tommie Frazier tweeted after the game:
After letting it sink in for about 4 hours I still struggling. It's time to get rid of the defensive play caller, the Dc, lb dl and db coaches. I hate saying this but this crap is getting old. How in the hell do you not make adjustments or put your players in the position to compete? If this is what is going to happen for the remainder of the season, count me out. I don't care if we lose a game but the way we are losing is just not what #Nebraska fans deserve. I have fought, bled, and cried over this program. I didn't do all that for the program to become what it has today. Time for change! I will comment about the offense this week on Tommie's X's and O's. Trust me you don't want to miss it. #Huskers

Pelini's response to me not smart(from todays presser)
"If he feels that way, so be it. We don't need him." -- Bo Pelini on weekend tweet by Tommie Frazier.

generally not smart to dis maybe the best player in your programs history.
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