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questions about a hypothetical ncaa split
1. can the p5 teams do a football only split while keeping their other sports in the NCAA?

2. im pretty sure membership to the ncaa is voluntary and not contractually obligated to stay. (in other words the p5 doesnt need the g5's permission to leave

3. if a conference(s) does indeed split with the ncaa, would they be allowed to schedule NFL, or canadian football teams as part of the cfb season and/or exhibition games. if yes could they still keep amateur status with the players?

anyone know the answers to these questions
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RE: questions about a hypothetical ncaa split
the P5 or whatever you want to call it. Doesn't really want to split from the NCAA. What they want is their own division and a different set of rules.
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RE: questions about a hypothetical ncaa split
One of the compromises that probably comes forth will be that the new division will be for football only. Basketball will remain untouched and perhaps some other concessions will be made in basketball in order to garner some votes from the schools that dont even play football and focus on basketball instead.

No, they couldn't split from the NCAA with just one sport. They can create a division for just one sport though.

I highly doubt the NFL would ever agree to such schedulings even if some of these schools left the NCAA. Could you imagine the embarrassment if a college team actually competed against a pro team? Never mind if they won or loss, just the appearance of a college team being in the game against a Pro team, that would be very bad PR for the NFL. No way they would ever agree in my estimation.
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RE: questions about a hypothetical ncaa split
(07-22-2013 08:49 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. can the p5 teams do a football only split while keeping their other sports in the NCAA?

2. im pretty sure membership to the ncaa is voluntary and not contractually obligated to stay. (in other words the p5 doesnt need the g5's permission to leave

3. if a conference(s) does indeed split with the ncaa, would they be allowed to schedule NFL, or canadian football teams as part of the cfb season and/or exhibition games. if yes could they still keep amateur status with the players?

anyone know the answers to these questions

Yes, because they have the power to do so and make over a billion dollars combined. In my opinion, the P5 want to have their own football division (it makes the most $$$), but be members of the NCAA in other sports. This gives them more control to configure their conferences how they want. For example: 3 five or six school divisions in each conference. They could force ND and BYU to either join a conference (the ACC and B12 would benefit) or be left behind. They would have total control over the future CFP and the $$$. Consequently, you can see why they would want their own football division.
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RE: questions about a hypothetical ncaa split
(07-22-2013 09:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  One of the compromises that probably comes forth will be that the new division will be for football only. Basketball will remain untouched and perhaps some other concessions will be made in basketball in order to garner some votes from the schools that dont even play football and focus on basketball instead.

No, they couldn't split from the NCAA with just one sport. They can create a division for just one sport though.

I highly doubt the NFL would ever agree to such schedulings even if some of these schools left the NCAA. Could you imagine the embarrassment if a college team actually competed against a pro team? Never mind if they won or loss, just the appearance of a college team being in the game against a Pro team, that would be very bad PR for the NFL. No way they would ever agree in my estimation.

yeah obviously the cfb team would get crushed,but if they could make it.....

1) cfb all stars vs an nfl team full of benchwarmers
2) texas longhorns vs dallas cowboys
3) thrown in the best cfb teams against a canadian football team

(maybe make these exhibition games to keep guys from getting hurt). but the thing is like the FCS with FBS, they will throw their players to the wolves if they could make big $$$$ doing it.
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RE: questions about a hypothetical ncaa split
The NCAA will cave in record time if they threaten to leave. The NCAA tourney will lose a lot of lustre and an huge portion of their revenue if the P5 schools broke away. That is the cash cow that supports the NCAA.

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RE: questions about a hypothetical ncaa split
(07-22-2013 08:49 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. can the p5 teams do a football only split while keeping their other sports in the NCAA?

Yes. They could set up the "College Football Association" and make their own rules. I suppose the NCAA could kick out their nonfootball sports, but that's not likely.

Now, Title IX is federal law, not an NCAA rule. So if the "College Football Association" is paying stipends to 85 football players per school, 85 female players have to get stipends. Which means new NCAA rules.

Quote:2. im pretty sure membership to the ncaa is voluntary and not contractually obligated to stay. (in other words the p5 doesnt need the g5's permission to leave

True. However, there might be implications for the P5's contracts with ESPN and Fox, and for the College Football Playoff contract. Not sure.

Quote:3. if a conference(s) does indeed split with the ncaa, would they be allowed to schedule NFL, or canadian football teams as part of the cfb season and/or exhibition games. if yes could they still keep amateur status with the players?

They could schedule anybody they wanted, and define "amateur status" any way they want. (The school teams would get crushed, but so be it.)

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What happens to the schools in the P5 that won't or can't invest in updating facilities and promotions needed to be ccompetitive in this new division for Football? They will receive the prestige of being in a power division, but investing their monies to other things besides the Athletic dept. could make them less competitive than say a G5 school wanting into the Big Boy Division. They should set minimum standards to remain active member in good standing. Grandfathered in weak schools will need to upgade and be proactive in being competitive or be expelled and replaced with a school that wants to upgrade. Like any business, if You can't or won't produce, You're out.
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RE: questions about a hypothetical ncaa split
1. can the p5 teams do a football only split while keeping their other sports in the NCAA?

I think that this would require a vote of the membership. How would they get the votes that they would need? No one knows, but some backroom deals would probably be involved. The easy "we can do it just because we can" belief is obviously wrong. Could they get the votes? Yes,possible. Could it be voted down? Yes,possible Would the P5 then form their on group outside the NCAA? Sure they could but it would have to be all sports.

"They could schedule anybody they wanted, and define "amateur status" any way they want."

Certainly, but could the remaining schools in the NCAA play schools that had a less than amateur status?
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Based on the recent sabre-rattling from the SEC and Big XII, if the P5 leagues cannot get a separate NCAA Division I "sub-division" that includes all-sports, they will up and form their own sanctioning body.

The key will be what comes out of the mouth of Larry Scott whenever the Pac-12 holds their kickoff meetings, as he's usually the brash mouthpiece of all the leagues in the p5.
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RE: questions about a hypothetical ncaa split
(07-23-2013 09:20 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Based on the recent sabre-rattling from the SEC and Big XII, if the P5 leagues cannot get a separate NCAA Division I "sub-division" that includes all-sports, they will up and form their own sanctioning body.

The key will be what comes out of the mouth of Larry Scott whenever the Pac-12 holds their kickoff meetings, as he's usually the brash mouthpiece of all the leagues in the p5.


If this proposal includes only teams from P5 conferences it is dead on arrival.
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RE: questions about a hypothetical ncaa split
(07-22-2013 09:57 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  The NCAA will cave in record time if they threaten to leave. The NCAA tourney will lose a lot of lustre and an huge portion of their revenue if the P5 schools broke away. That is the cash cow that supports the NCAA.

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"The NCAA will cave in record time if they threaten to leave"

The odds are higher that they wouldn't cave in for a simple reason, if they see a no win situation with a new division or P5 leaving why vote for the new division. The new division will have to include many more teams than just p5 conferences to get the needed votes.
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(07-23-2013 07:49 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  What happens to the schools in the P5 that won't or can't invest in updating facilities and promotions needed to be ccompetitive in this new division for Football?

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