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RE: OT: Getting into Rice graduate school
You guys look ridiculous. Rice fans are beyond patient.
07-25-2013 09:40 AM
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RE: OT: Getting into Rice graduate school
(07-21-2013 07:53 PM)meangreener Wrote:  Hey, this is for Rice students/alumni.

I've read a lot of things but I think the best way to get an idea is to go right to the horse's mouth...I NEED to get back to Houston. I love Denton, fantastic city, but it's so close to DFW it makes my brain hurt. I don't want to attend Coog High, but I really want to get my PhD, and Rice's English program is top notch.

I wouldn't be going until fall of next year, but I really am looking for some advice. What does Rice look for? What type of students do they want? What will they expect of me as far as applying goes?

Haven't taken the GRE yet, but I'm coming out of college in the fall with a likely 4.0 in my major GPA (English) and a 3.7 overall...obviously, heading to Rice's English program is what I want. In many honor societies and the English Honor Society. Can get plenty of letters...

Obviously this is a sports forum, but I'm curious to get as many responses and ideas as possible from a ton of different places so that I can know exactly what I need. Rice was my dream school, but I didn't get in as an undergrad so that's why I went to UNT.

Also...how giving is Rice in regards to scholarships and aid?

My experience was way back in 1981, but it probably is still relevant. I also did my graduate work in Engineering.

I did take the GRE early to make sure I had that score nailed. Then I reached out to the Department to start making personal contacts. This might have been easier 30 years ago, but Rice then was very receptive. (Hint - graduate students still hang out at Valhalla, especially on Friday nights.)

I got to know some of the staff and students, and made connections. I was able to get the President of my undergraduate school to contact the program, and it turned out he knew the professor who eventually became my advisor.

It was still a thrill to get the acceptance letter, and find myself in the same program with students who had undergraduate degrees from Harvard, Yale, and Brown. In Engineering, I had a full scholarship with a $700 monthly stipend, which went pretty far in Houston in 1982-1984. In return, I helped with freshman laboratories, graded papers, and made myself available for tutoring sessions for undergraduates. The tutoring was when I developed the deep respect for Rice athletes - they were really students, and really taking engineering classes.

Good luck. Rice is an amazing place full of great people. It was also a lot of hard work.
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RE: OT: Getting into Rice graduate school
(07-25-2013 12:36 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(07-21-2013 07:53 PM)meangreener Wrote:  Hey, this is for Rice students/alumni.

I've read a lot of things but I think the best way to get an idea is to go right to the horse's mouth...I NEED to get back to Houston. I love Denton, fantastic city, but it's so close to DFW it makes my brain hurt. I don't want to attend Coog High, but I really want to get my PhD, and Rice's English program is top notch.

I wouldn't be going until fall of next year, but I really am looking for some advice. What does Rice look for? What type of students do they want? What will they expect of me as far as applying goes?

Haven't taken the GRE yet, but I'm coming out of college in the fall with a likely 4.0 in my major GPA (English) and a 3.7 overall...obviously, heading to Rice's English program is what I want. In many honor societies and the English Honor Society. Can get plenty of letters...

Obviously this is a sports forum, but I'm curious to get as many responses and ideas as possible from a ton of different places so that I can know exactly what I need. Rice was my dream school, but I didn't get in as an undergrad so that's why I went to UNT.

Also...how giving is Rice in regards to scholarships and aid?

My experience was way back in 1981, but it probably is still relevant. I also did my graduate work in Engineering.

I did take the GRE early to make sure I had that score nailed. Then I reached out to the Department to start making personal contacts. This might have been easier 30 years ago, but Rice then was very receptive. (Hint - graduate students still hang out at Valhalla, especially on Friday nights.)

I got to know some of the staff and students, and made connections. I was able to get the President of my undergraduate school to contact the program, and it turned out he knew the professor who eventually became my advisor.

It was still a thrill to get the acceptance letter, and find myself in the same program with students who had undergraduate degrees from Harvard, Yale, and Brown. In Engineering, I had a full scholarship with a $700 monthly stipend, which went pretty far in Houston in 1982-1984. In return, I helped with freshman laboratories, graded papers, and made myself available for tutoring sessions for undergraduates. The tutoring was when I developed the deep respect for Rice athletes - they were really students, and really taking engineering classes.

Good luck. Rice is an amazing place full of great people. It was also a lot of hard work.

Having just completed my grad degree, I can say that things have changed a lot. These days, Rice does not generally keep Rice bachelors grads around because the way academia now works, people like to see that you have moved around and collected diverse experiences from various universities and wide arrays of training. Rice will still accept its own, but you won't see more than 1-2 incoming students who graduated with a bachelors there, for the larger departments each year.

To meangreener - Again, like ESE, I did all my studies in engineering and as you have already pointed out, English is a tiny department. I understand that generally, the goals of the graduate students is to publish books and the like - somewhat different from the journal articles and patents that us engineers were required to do.

I think something that may work well is to contact professors in the department directly, who you may foresee sharing the same interests as you. Maybe if you get a chance to set up a one-on-one meeting with a few of these guys before or during your submission process, it may help leave an impression. If you contact them, though, make sure to include your CV and highlight your high GPA (and related experience). Even if you don't do this, when you submit your application and there is room for a cover letter, do so and make SURE to indicate who it is you may want to work with - at least it shows you've done homework on the department.

As for funding and how giving Rice is -All incoming graduate students receive fellowships and tuition waivers. Source = http://english.rice.edu/Graduate.aspx . The amount mentioned should be able to allow you to get by in Houston.
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RE: OT: Getting into Rice graduate school
(07-25-2013 02:38 PM)MartelOwl_08 Wrote:  Having just completed my grad degree, I can say that things have changed a lot. These days, Rice does not generally keep Rice bachelors grads around because the way academia now works, people like to see that you have moved around and collected diverse experiences from various universities and wide arrays of training. Rice will still accept its own, but you won't see more than 1-2 incoming students who graduated with a bachelors there, for the larger departments each year.

My undergraduate degree was from a small Division 3 school who's main claim to fame is they are almost always at the top of the US News & World Report specialty engineering undergraduate program rankings. I moved to Houston first, got an engineering job, and starting saving money for grad school. I did contact the Department and start meeting people while still working. I was told that even in the graduate program, Rice checked the "Indiana" box in their goal to have students from all 50 states in the student body.
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It is indeed a rule of thumb to go elsewhere for PhD as undergrad. It isn't some kiss of death to do otherwise. Now PhD to post doc? You best be moseyin.
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RE: OT: Getting into Rice graduate school
Thanks for all the advice. I am taking my GRE soon, and have done a lot of undergrad research, have a thesis defense coming up end of this semester. This is really what I was looking for, just some first hand experience, thanks to the Rice grads and JD. I really would love to go to Rice, but their English program is extremely smalll, but I plan to be prepared.

I'd really like to go back to Houston, but if I don't get into Rice, I'm definitely not attending UH. Is it still a no-no to attend grad school at your undergrad? Heard from many that is outdated thinking and many professors I am close with have said the same thing. I really love UNT and know these professors so I'd be willing to stay at NT unless keeping on at the same school would hurt my job opportunities in the future. Obviously, more opportunities from Rice, but y'all know what I mean.

If anyone else has anything else to add, go ahead. If you're going to troll, don't bother, because I'm tired of it and derails so I'm putting all trolling users right on ignore.

Thanks everyone!
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RE: OT: Getting into Rice graduate school
(07-25-2013 05:31 PM)meangreener Wrote:  Thanks for all the advice. I am taking my GRE soon, and have done a lot of undergrad research, have a thesis defense coming up end of this semester. This is really what I was looking for, just some first hand experience, thanks to the Rice grads and JD. I really would love to go to Rice, but their English program is extremely smalll, but I plan to be prepared.

I'd really like to go back to Houston, but if I don't get into Rice, I'm definitely not attending UH. Is it still a no-no to attend grad school at your undergrad? Heard from many that is outdated thinking and many professors I am close with have said the same thing. I really love UNT and know these professors so I'd be willing to stay at NT unless keeping on at the same school would hurt my job opportunities in the future. Obviously, more opportunities from Rice, but y'all know what I mean.

If anyone else has anything else to add, go ahead. If you're going to troll, don't bother, because I'm tired of it and derails so I'm putting all trolling users right on ignore.

Thanks everyone!

You don't want your thread to be derailed but you call UH "coog high" in your OP. #pUNTlogic. Can't take it then don't dish it moron.
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Quote:Is it still a no-no to attend grad school at your undergrad? Heard from many that is outdated thinking and many professors I am close with have said the same thing.

I'm getting my PhD at Tulane after my bs and ms. If I had learned everything at Tulane I could've hoped to learn then it would be a waste of my time. Neuroscience is broad enough that I think there's plenty to draw from still. My PI thinks its okay I stayed but staying for my post doc would be career suicide.

Others disagree but my love of Tulane/New Orleans/my PI/the research I'm doing won out. Its all in your aspirations and goals.

If UNT has a program and direction you desperately desire elsewhere and do not find, then duh, stay at UNT.

NEVER attend an institution for your PhD just because. They best be havin whatchu lookin for life n career wise.
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