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RE: P5 and the American battle
(07-21-2013 10:24 AM)ohio1317 Wrote: (07-20-2013 07:01 PM)FromTheInside Wrote: We all know the struggle right now. Uconn and Cincy feel very left out. Temple and USF to a lesser degree. We know the p5 are trying to get what they want or threat to split and everything going on around college football. In all reality at so point soon or down the road schools like uconn, Cincy and BYU types are going to get homes in the p5. But for now we sit as we sit.
The American is next best. You can for sure argue that BSU or BYU are better than any American team(on the field) but overall the American is the next best. But it's to small and to new. Uconn could win both bball ships next year and Cincy could get the last BCS bid but those 2 can't go it alone. What the American needs is to throw a major curve ball. A crazy one. One that is both a game changer to the college football landscape and one that helps the league money and power wise.
The p5 currently has what 65 teams? Most states that matter politics wise also. They have great bowls nd all that stuff. It's time for "the American" to flex its muscle and use its name to its advantage.
4 divisions and 4 division winners
40 teams
Markets, states, fanbases, potential
West- Boise, BYU, Fresno, SDSU, UNR, UNLV, wy, af, haw, nm or nmst
South- uh, SMU, rice, nt, Tulane, Mem, Tulsa, latech, smiss, ark st
East- USF, UCF, fiu, fau, gast, Uab, ecu, app, uncc, mt
North- uconn, Cincy, ny, umass, Ohio, jmu, odu, navy, army, UDel
25+ states. Best of the best. Schools with potential and history. Rivals. Geography. Bowl game galore. Kills off the Mwc, Cusa and crew. It's the best of the rest. If a couple schools move up to the p5 u then back fill. Utah st, sj, Utep, Troy, nill and so on. Plenty.
The point is you force yourselves to join the breakaway of the NCAA or a new division. Betwen Boise football, uconn basketball, rice baseball and so on you keep a seat at the table. You have to many worth while products together under one identity to be ignored. Go ahead add in Zaga, vcu and witchita bball for the 3 service academies bball wise. The point stays the same. Force the conversation. Dare the p5 to mess with this league politically. Schools like UDel, north Texas and Fresno may seem out there, but they bring heads. Alums. Students, locals, politicians. Together a war can be fought. 9 states of those in this conference have no p5 teams. They together have a good amount of sway politics wise.
Game on.
BYU probably won't go regardless. If they were willing to bend on a few things (not the no Sunday rule), they'd probably would have already been in the Big 12. Regardless, they are trying the Notre Dame model right now and seem to like it.
The rest will go if you can get the American and Mountain West onboard, but I don't see either wanting too. Right now, both conferences precieve themselves as stronger than the rest and financially that's very true. Joining into this one giant conference means loosing that advantage.
While the new conference as a whole might be more powerful than the current American or Mountain West, it doesn't give the current individual members more power or money. They'd be splitting the pie more ways in all likihood (even with unequal revenue sharing). Beyond that, the odds of an individual member of the American or Mountain West making a CFP bowl are probably just as great in a smaller conference than a bigger one. While the bigger one makes it easier to make up for a loss, the smaller one highlights their team more and gives them less risk at the end of the season.
If the conferences actually did this set-up though, it would sure be interesting. Since NCAA rules only allow CCGs with round robin divisions (an exception was given to the MAC who took in a homeless Temple and then again when they were left with an odd number after Temple left, but that probably wouldn't happen here ). My guess is the set-up would basically have to work like this.
1. Two formal football only conferences (tied together and advertised together, but with 2 conference trophies).
2. Two 10 team divisions playing round robin in each. That means 9 conference games.
3. CCGs the next to last week of the season.
4. The last week of the season is left open and not scheduled till the week before. Teams are matched up based on standings between the 2 conferences with the top two playing a championship game. In one year, one conference host the games and in the next, the other (so home schedules would still be known ahead of time).
Practically though, it would work a lot better with 36 or even 32 teams. With 40 and using current rules, you only allow for 2 free non-conference games.
If something like this was contemplated, it would probably closer to just a straight up merger between the AAC and the MW. Maybe a there might be a way to fit in S Miss, but--I think the 24 MW and AAC teams would build a pretty decent best of the rest conference that would garner plenty of interest without being as unwieldy and arbitrary as the 40 team model. That gives you four 6-team divisions. You could stretch it to 28 if there were strategic additions for television, to pick up a value adding school, or to correct a geographic imbalance--but I think the straight up 24 team merger works best.
(This post was last modified: 07-21-2013 03:42 PM by Attackcoog.)
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