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Spain U-19 Team, Elena De Alfredo
Spain outscored Australia 42-21 in the second half of a FIBA U-19 World Championship game today to claim an 81-63 win over the Aussies. Elena De Alfredo scored six points in the win but was saddled with personal foul problems throughout the contest.

Spain is now 3-0 in the tournament.

The USA with three players from UConn, Stewart, Tuck, and Jefferson, is also 3-0 and should be the favorite to grab the gold.
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Thanks Fred.
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Spain beat Serbia today 73-55, to go 4-0 and I believe guarantee a spot in the quarters. Elena had 2 points, 6 boards, an assist and 3 steals. Ndour is continuing her dominance with 23 points and 13 boards. Spain plays Russia tomorrow and Brazil on Wed.

USA continued their dominance trouncing the Netherlands 102-42.
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(07-22-2013 05:28 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Spain beat Serbia today 73-55, to go 4-0 and I believe guarantee a spot in the quarters. Elena had 2 points, 6 boards, an assist and 3 steals. Ndour is continuing her dominance with 23 points and 13 boards. Spain plays Russia tomorrow and Brazil on Wed.

USA continued their dominance trouncing the Netherlands 102-42.

ahh ouch!! you just had to add the last sentence huh?
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(07-23-2013 07:44 AM)flying dutchman Wrote:  
(07-22-2013 05:28 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  USA continued their dominance trouncing the Netherlands 102-42.

ahh ouch!! you just had to add the last sentence huh?

Sorry man. Wasn't trying to dis the Dutch, just point out that the US is crushing everybody.
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Today, Spain beat Russia 80-72 to go 5-0. Elena had 6 points on pretty dismal 2-9 shooting, and 2 boards.

The US continued to win, although in a slightly closer game with Canada 88-54. That's the first time the US scored under 100, and only the 2nd time they allowed 50+.

France remained undefeated as well. Brazil who had been undefeated, lost to Australia.
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Spain beat Brazil today 71-62 to remain undefeated. Elena with 5 points and 1 rebound. Spain plays Canada in the quarters on Friday.

The other 2 undefeated teams played today, with the US surviving a scare and beating France 69-63. The US plays Japan in the quarters.
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wonder if elena is a bit worn down with so many games in this stretch, plus being away from home.
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Spain beat Canada in the quarters on Friday 80-52, but lost to France in the semis 62-58, ending their unbeaten streak. Spain will play the loser of US vs. Australia for the bronze.

Elena had 5 pts in the quarters with 2 boards and 2 helpers, but did not score in the semis, contributing 3 boards and a steal.

Note that she has now played 17 games in 24 days, in 2 countries, which has to have taken its toll. Tremendous experience playing against the best in the world for a future Rocket.
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(07-27-2013 12:29 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Spain beat Canada in the quarters on Friday 80-52, but lost to France in the semis 62-58, ending their unbeaten streak. Spain will play the loser of US vs. Australia for the bronze.

Elena had 5 pts in the quarters with 2 boards and 2 helpers, but did not score in the semis, contributing 3 boards and a steal.

Note that she has now played 17 games in 24 days, in 2 countries, which has to have taken its toll. Tremendous experience playing against the best in the world for a future Rocket.

True, it must have been an exhausting few weeks with a lot of high-pressure games. Nonetheless, it was a disappointing performance for de Alfredo throughout this second tournament, especially in today's close loss. She was 0-7 today with 0 points and 0 assists in 25 minutes.

To be a winning team this year, the Rockets will need at least one freshman to step up big time. I had thought de Alfredo was the most likely candidate.
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I think some people are jumping the gun. None of us saw any of the games she played in. A player can contribute in many ways that don't appear in the stat box. We also don't know what type of offense her team ran or how they used her with that offense. We all need to enjoy the fact that some with her experience and abilities will be here for us to watch for four years. No overly high expectation...way to early for that.
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(07-27-2013 04:01 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  I think some people are jumping the gun. None of us saw any of the games she played in. A player can contribute in many ways that don't appear in the stat box. We also don't know what type of offense her team ran or how they used her with that offense. We all need to enjoy the fact that some with her experience and abilities will be here for us to watch for four years. No overly high expectation...way to early for that.

I am guilty as charged. During the off-season, when there's nothing to really sink your teeth into, it's easy to get carried away by any positive or negative sign. Nonetheless, I will defend myself a little by pointing out that 0-7 with no free throws attempted and no assists is a very bad stat line for a starting guard, no matter what offense is being run. Last year, at the U18 level, de Alfredo averaged 12.3 points per game and shot close to 50% in the European championship tournament. Based on her stats alone, I think it's fair to say that she had a disappointing tournament this year.
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(07-27-2013 04:15 PM)Dwight Wrote:  
(07-27-2013 04:01 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  I think some people are jumping the gun. None of us saw any of the games she played in. A player can contribute in many ways that don't appear in the stat box. We also don't know what type of offense her team ran or how they used her with that offense. We all need to enjoy the fact that some with her experience and abilities will be here for us to watch for four years. No overly high expectation...way to early for that.

I am guilty as charged. During the off-season, when there's nothing to really sink your teeth into, it's easy to get carried away by any positive or negative sign. Nonetheless, I will defend myself a little by pointing out that 0-7 with no free throws attempted and no assists is a very bad stat line for a starting guard, no matter what offense is being run. Last year, at the U18 level, de Alfredo averaged 12.3 points per game and shot close to 50% in the European championship tournament. Based on her stats alone, I think it's fair to say that she had a disappointing tournament this year.

That was last year and a different situation. It is impossible to compare one year of international play to another. The type of offensive style played does contribute to free throw attempted. When asked to penetrate as guard, more free throws will be shot do to that style of play. If a team has a dominate inside player, guards will not penetrate as much since driving would clog up the middle. I really don't know how anyone, who was not at the games, can say she had a disappointing tournament. Don't look at stats and make that determination. Something to think about...if she wasn't playing within the style of play and up to the standards that her coaches wanted, would they have played her on such a prestigious stage.
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(07-27-2013 11:05 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  
(07-27-2013 04:15 PM)Dwight Wrote:  
(07-27-2013 04:01 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  I think some people are jumping the gun. None of us saw any of the games she played in. A player can contribute in many ways that don't appear in the stat box. We also don't know what type of offense her team ran or how they used her with that offense. We all need to enjoy the fact that some with her experience and abilities will be here for us to watch for four years. No overly high expectation...way to early for that.

I am guilty as charged. During the off-season, when there's nothing to really sink your teeth into, it's easy to get carried away by any positive or negative sign. Nonetheless, I will defend myself a little by pointing out that 0-7 with no free throws attempted and no assists is a very bad stat line for a starting guard, no matter what offense is being run. Last year, at the U18 level, de Alfredo averaged 12.3 points per game and shot close to 50% in the European championship tournament. Based on her stats alone, I think it's fair to say that she had a disappointing tournament this year.

That was last year and a different situation. It is impossible to compare one year of international play to another. The type of offensive style played does contribute to free throw attempted. When asked to penetrate as guard, more free throws will be shot do to that style of play. If a team has a dominate inside player, guards will not penetrate as much since driving would clog up the middle. I really don't know how anyone, who was not at the games, can say she had a disappointing tournament. Don't look at stats and make that determination. Something to think about...if she wasn't playing within the style of play and up to the standards that her coaches wanted, would they have played her on such a prestigious stage.

I disagree. I think there are times when you can judge performance by statistics, such as when a starting guard shoots 25% from the field over the span of an eight-game tournament and has more turnovers than assists. I do agree with you, though, that it is a good sign that the coach played her significant minutes at this tournament. I assume that playing time was based on past performance (such as last year), which led the coach to believe that de Alfredo would contribute more. Maybe she just had a bad stretch and is really a much better player than she showed in this tournament.
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Right now Spain is leading Australia 39-25 at the half. de Alfredo has 2 points.
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I prefer to look at the big picture. The Rockets landed a player who was a significant contributor to 1 European championship team and (hopefully, 20 more minutes to go) 1 World Championship bronze metal team. That alone says volumes to me. She is sharing the stage with players the likes of which include half the future starting lineup for UConn. How many other players like that will be joining the MAC?

And how many US players could even play 18 games in 25 days and still be able to make it up and down the court? That just isn't done over here with games that matter. That may put her conditioning way ahead of other incoming freshman.

Of course, we won't know for till the fall, or more likely til a couple years from now, how she will turn out for the Rockets. But there's no way I'm gonna worry about the quality of a player who helped her team contend for 2 international championships, in the same month!
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Well, I guess I jinxed them by posting at halftime, as Australia came back and defeated Spain 73-68. Elena finished with 5 points 2 boards and 1 assist.
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(07-28-2013 10:29 AM)Dwight Wrote:  
(07-27-2013 11:05 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  
(07-27-2013 04:15 PM)Dwight Wrote:  
(07-27-2013 04:01 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  I think some people are jumping the gun. None of us saw any of the games she played in. A player can contribute in many ways that don't appear in the stat box. We also don't know what type of offense her team ran or how they used her with that offense. We all need to enjoy the fact that some with her experience and abilities will be here for us to watch for four years. No overly high expectation...way to early for that.

I am guilty as charged. During the off-season, when there's nothing to really sink your teeth into, it's easy to get carried away by any positive or negative sign. Nonetheless, I will defend myself a little by pointing out that 0-7 with no free throws attempted and no assists is a very bad stat line for a starting guard, no matter what offense is being run. Last year, at the U18 level, de Alfredo averaged 12.3 points per game and shot close to 50% in the European championship tournament. Based on her stats alone, I think it's fair to say that she had a disappointing tournament this year.

That was last year and a different situation. It is impossible to compare one year of international play to another. The type of offensive style played does contribute to free throw attempted. When asked to penetrate as guard, more free throws will be shot do to that style of play. If a team has a dominate inside player, guards will not penetrate as much since driving would clog up the middle. I really don't know how anyone, who was not at the games, can say she had a disappointing tournament. Don't look at stats and make that determination. Something to think about...if she wasn't playing within the style of play and up to the standards that her coaches wanted, would they have played her on such a prestigious stage.

I disagree. I think there are times when you can judge performance by statistics, such as when a starting guard shoots 25% from the field over the span of an eight-game tournament and has more turnovers than assists. I do agree with you, though, that it is a good sign that the coach played her significant minutes at this tournament. I assume that playing time was based on past performance (such as last year), which led the coach to believe that de Alfredo would contribute more. Maybe she just had a bad stretch and is really a much better player than she showed in this tournament.

You must have seen some games to know she had a bad tournament. I have a little knowledge of game and could not say that. Let me ask you, how many times did she get double team? What type of shoots did other teams give her? What type of defense did other counties play against Spain? As an ex coach, I can honestly tell you, no coach plays a player in a World Championship tournament based on past performance. National pride means a lot to players and coaches. I am sure you remember Courtney's first three years. She hesitated to shoot, so she didn't have a great shooting percentage and scored very little, but when the game was on the line we wanted her in the game because she contributed in so many other ways. Many of those contributions did not show up in a score box!
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(07-28-2013 10:53 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  I prefer to look at the big picture. The Rockets landed a player who was a significant contributor to 1 European championship team and (hopefully, 20 more minutes to go) 1 World Championship bronze metal team. That alone says volumes to me. She is sharing the stage with players the likes of which include half the future starting lineup for UConn. How many other players like that will be joining the MAC?

And how many US players could even play 18 games in 25 days and still be able to make it up and down the court? That just isn't done over here with games that matter. That may put her conditioning way ahead of other incoming freshman.

Of course, we won't know for till the fall, or more likely til a couple years from now, how she will turn out for the Rockets. But there's no way I'm gonna worry about the quality of a player who helped her team contend for 2 international championships, in the same month!

I agree with you 100%. Very well stated!
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Just came across this article: http://www.ideal.es/granada/20130803/dep...30018.html
Which makes reference to Elena injuring her hand in the game against Australia ... I think ... the best translator I found has:

"The injury to the hand of Helena of Alfredo left the spanish even colder in that final period, in which they could not turn the Demolisher partial clipped from 0-15 in the first few moments."

Yes that's the best. Others say, instead of "turn the Demolisher partial clipped", "turn round the partial wrecker" and "give the return to the partial demolition" and "could not flip the partial demolition". yeesh.
At any rate, I hope it wasn't serious.
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