(07-28-2013 06:41 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Before, 2010-13, from wikipedia with a few edits by me to turn the clock back to 2010.
#1 The Orange Bowl vs BCS
#2 The Chick-fil-A Bowl versus SEC #5.
#3 The Russell Athletic Bowl versus Big East #2.
#4 The Hyundai Sun Bowl versus Pac-12 #4.
#5 The Belk Bowl versus Big East #3.
#6 The Music City Bowl versus SEC #7.
#7 The AdvoCare V100 Bowl versus MWC #3.
#8 The Military Bowl versus Conference USA #5.
#9 The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl versus Pac-12 #6.

After, 2014-19, after playoffs:
1. Orange Bowl vs. SEC #2/B1G #2/Notre Dame
2a. Cap One Bowl when Big Ten is in Orange
2b. Russell Athletic vs XII #3 <-- upgrade
3-6. Sun vs PAC #5
3-6. Belk vs SEC #3-6 <-- upgrade
3-6. Music City/Gator vs SEC #3-6 <-- upgrade
3-6. Pinstripe vs Big Ten #3-6 <-- upgrade vs. Independence Bowl
7-10. Military vs AAC #?? <-- about the same
7-10. Detroit vs Big 10 lower-tier
7-10. TBA
7-10. TBA

Apples and ORANGES. New Orange Bowl deal is essentially the same as the old one, except for the opponent, so to compare, it should be #1 in both lists.

As for lower bowls, Russell opponent is upgraded, Pinstripe > Independence, and Military is about the same, maybe slight upgrade (old C-USA = new AAC + UC, UConn, USF). Lost Kraft Bowl but likely to pick up Beef O'Brady Bowl instead.

BTW, another tidbit - it's being reported that when the Orange Bowl hosts a semi-final, the ACC #1 will go to the Peach (aka Chick-Fil-A) Bowl - so 4 out of 12 times, plus 3 to 5 out of the other 8 the ACC will send #2 to the Capital One Bowl (barring some change in the contract for the 2nd 6 years).

(07-29-2013 09:38 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 12:23 AM)stever20 Wrote:  sorry but ACC losing Chick-fil-a is just not replaced by the other matchups. it's just not. There's NO guarantee that ACC will get a team in the Cap One ever in this 6 year deal. SEC or ND get in the Orange, the Cap One gets Big Ten team. Russell Athletic Bowl sounds great, but a lot of the time it'd be the 3rd or lower selection from the Big 12(when they get a sf team and then a Sugar team).

and i'm sorry but ND will NEVER play in the Detroit bowl.

The highlighted statement is technically true, but misleading. The deal is for the ACC to replace the B1G whenever they are in the Orange Bowl, which is guaranteed to happen 3 times and could happen as many as 5 times (The Orange Bowl will host semi-finals 4 times in 12 years).

So, in the first 6 years there will be 2 semi's in the O.B. and 4 regular bowl games; yes, it IS possible that the SEC and/or Notre Dame takes all 4 of those, but keep this in mind - what you are saying is that the highest ranked SEC team (or Notre Dame) which is not in the playoffs OR the Sugar Bowl will be higher than the highest ranked B1G team which is not in the playoffs or Rose Bowl - all 4 years. Does that sound likely to you?

I would say it's probable that if they would strike this deal for the first 6 years that the deal will be the same for the last 6 as well (I mean, what do you expect to change?)

We have no idea what the climate will be like in 6 years. A lot may hinge on the selections for the Orange Bowl. If the SEC/ND has gone to the Orange Bowl in the first 3 times all 3 times(which is when they would be redoing the contract is what would have taken place)- I don't necessarily see the Cap One wanting to have a deal where they would be guaranteed to get the Big Ten only 1x out of the next 4 times that the Orange is a regular game.

And yes, it does sound very reasonable that the SEC/ND could be ahead of the Big Ten all 4 times the Orange hosts a regular bowl game. Especially if the SEC maintains 8 conference game schedule and Big Ten goes with the 9 conference game schedule(for the last 2 games).

(07-29-2013 09:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 06:41 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Before, 2010-13, from wikipedia with a few edits by me to turn the clock back to 2010.
#1 The Orange Bowl vs BCS
#2 The Chick-fil-A Bowl versus SEC #5.
#3 The Russell Athletic Bowl versus Big East #2.
#4 The Hyundai Sun Bowl versus Pac-12 #4.
#5 The Belk Bowl versus Big East #3.
#6 The Music City Bowl versus SEC #7.
#7 The AdvoCare V100 Bowl versus MWC #3.
#8 The Military Bowl versus Conference USA #5.
#9 The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl versus Pac-12 #6.

After, 2014-19, after playoffs:
1. Orange Bowl vs. SEC #2/B1G #2/Notre Dame
2a. Cap One Bowl when Big Ten is in Orange
2b. Russell Athletic vs XII #3 <-- upgrade
3-6. Sun vs PAC #5
3-6. Belk vs SEC #3-6 <-- upgrade
3-6. Music City/Gator vs SEC #3-6 <-- upgrade
3-6. Pinstripe vs Big Ten #3-6 <-- upgrade vs. Independence Bowl
7-10. Military vs AAC #?? <-- about the same
7-10. Detroit vs Big 10 lower-tier
7-10. TBA
7-10. TBA

Apples and ORANGES. New Orange Bowl deal is essentially the same as the old one, except for the opponent, so to compare, it should be #1 in both lists.

As for lower bowls, Russell opponent is upgraded, Pinstripe > Independence, and Military is about the same, maybe slight upgrade (old C-USA = new AAC + UC, UConn, USF). Lost Kraft Bowl but likely to pick up Beef O'Brady Bowl instead.

BTW, another tidbit - it's being reported that when the Orange Bowl hosts a semi-final, the ACC #1 will go to the Peach (aka Chick-Fil-A) Bowl - so 4 out of 12 times, plus 3 to 5 out of the other 8 the ACC will send #2 to the Capital One Bowl (barring some change in the contract for the 2nd 6 years).

This is somewhat misleading. If the ACC champ is in the playoff, and the Orange is hosting a SF, the ACC wouldn't be guaranteed anything in the Peach Bowl(or any access bowl).

(07-28-2013 01:57 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 01:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I've known all along that this deal was a huge boon to the ACC. What I've never been able to figure out is what the Irish get out of it.

1- Primarily better non-fb affiliation and more non-fb payout

2- Aid with bowl tie ins

3- And to a much lesser priority, late season scheduling help

Outsiders can argue over priorities, but all it takes is a look at the actual scheduling agreement to see what Notre Dame was looking for out of the deal: the ACC tells Notre Dame which teams they will be playing, home and away, and Notre Dame decides the dates for each game.

Obviously the freedom to schedule late season home games was more important to ND in negotiating the scheduling agreement, given that they handed choice of annual opponents to the ACC in order to get that freedom.

for ND, the thing they get out of it is bowls bowls bowls. They don't want to be in a situation like this year, where if they don't make the BCS, they aren't guaranteed a bowl game. It is by light years the #1 reason why they joined the ACC.

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This is somewhat misleading. If the ACC champ is in the playoff, and the Orange is hosting a SF, the ACC wouldn't be guaranteed anything in the Peach Bowl(or any access bowl).
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No, the P5 Conference are guaranteed a 2nd slot if the Conference Champion goes to the Play-Off no matter what. The main difference is if the G5 gets into the playoff, the most likely scenario the highest rated G5 which is probably a different conference gets te access bowl.
When Orange in the rotation - ACC gets into Access Bowl
When Sugar is the rotation - SEC & B12 get into Access Bowl
When Rose is in the rotation - PAC 12 and B10 get into access.

The selection commitee is only for the Top 4.

Lets say the rotation is Orange Cotton Rose

Sugar
B12 vs SEC
Peach and Fiesta picks between ACC or ND, B10, Pac 12 and G5 for best matchups.

This is somewhat misleading. If the ACC champ is in the playoff, and the Orange is hosting a SF, the ACC wouldn't be guaranteed anything in the Peach Bowl(or any access bowl).
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No, the P5 Conference are guaranteed a 2nd slot if the Conference Champion goes to the Play-Off no matter what. The main difference is if the G5 gets into the playoff, the most likely scenario the highest rated G5 which is probably a different conference gets te access bowl.
When Orange in the rotation - ACC gets into Access Bowl
When Sugar is the rotation - SEC & B12 get into Access Bowl
When Rose is in the rotation - PAC 12 and B10 get into access.

The selection commitee is only for the Top 4.

Lets say the rotation is Orange Cotton Rose

Sugar
B12 vs SEC
Peach and Fiesta picks between ACC or ND, B10, Pac 12 and G5 for best matchups.
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Nothing in your post is true at all. The champion of all 5 conferences are guaranteed a slot in either the playoff, Rose/Sugar/Orange/ or Access. The runner up is guaranteed NOTHING.

The selection committee is for ALL access bowl spots in addition to selecting the playoff teams.

so like in 2014-
Rose/Sugar hosts the SF.

If Big Ten/Pac 12/SEC/or Big 12 champion doesn't make the playoff, they are guaranteed to be in one of the 3 access bowls(remember, Big Ten/SEC champ can not go to the Orange).
but, if the champion makes the playoff, the runner up isn't guaranteed any thing.

(07-29-2013 09:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As for lower bowls, Russell opponent is upgraded,

But is a lower level opponent compared to our previous #2, the payout is much lower, and the game is on a much worse date.

Quote: Pinstripe > Independence

Apples to oranges. The Independence was near the bottom in the previous bowl rotation, the Pinstripe is in the middle of the new.

Quote:BTW, another tidbit - it's being reported that when the Orange Bowl hosts a semi-final, the ACC #1 will go to the Peach (aka Chick-Fil-A) Bowl - so 4 out of 12 times,

Hard to believe considering the Peach Bowl no longer has any say in the opponent as they now get matchups set up by the selection committee. We could just as easy be in the Cotton or Fiesta, depending on the mood of the committee.

Quote:plus 3 to 5 out of the other 8 the ACC will send #2 to the Capital One Bowl (barring some change in the contract for the 2nd 6 years).

But you forget about the parasite we have. It's very well possible with ND that we never see the Cap One.

My bad, I did find the article that stated this about only if there is a previous bowl agreement. My apologies for the incorrect information.