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Future American?
Circa 2020?

11 all sports
3 football only (Navy, Army, Air Force)
3 non-football (VCU, Saint Louis, Wichita St)

East
Army-Navy (sub VCU/Saint Louis)
UConn-Temple
UCF-USF
East Carolina

West
Houston-SMU
Tulane-Tulsa
Memphis-Cincy
Air Force (sub Wichita St)

Potential all-sport replacement members for Group A defections, if any:
UMass for UConn
Southern Miss for Cincy
Rice for Houston
Marshall for Temple
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RE: Future American?
We have to see how some of the new programs grow. Charlotte, Old Dominion, UTSA, Georgia State, etc... What if these programs start averaging 50,000 fans a game?
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RE: Future American?
(07-18-2013 10:09 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Circa 2020?

11 all sports
3 football only (Navy, Army, Air Force)
3 non-football (VCU, Saint Louis, Wichita St)

East
Army-Navy (sub VCU/Saint Louis)
UConn-Temple
UCF-USF
East Carolina

West
Houston-SMU
Tulane-Tulsa
Memphis-Cincy
Air Force (sub Wichita St)

Potential all-sport replacement members for Group A defections, if any:
UMass for UConn
Southern Miss for Cincy
Rice for Houston
Marshall for Temple


How many times will Air force and Army have to say no?
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(07-18-2013 10:18 AM)chess Wrote:  We have to see how some of the new programs grow. Charlotte, Old Dominion, UTSA, Georgia State, etc... What if these programs start averaging 50,000 fans a game?

I wouldn't put my money on it. You willing to sponsor both sides of that bet with your money?

If so, let's bet a million dollars! 04-cheers
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(07-18-2013 10:18 AM)chess Wrote:  We have to see how some of the new programs grow. Charlotte, Old Dominion, UTSA, Georgia State, etc... What if these programs start averaging 50,000 fans a game?

Of those, only UTSA and GSU would have the facility large enough to do so. ODU and Charlotte don't have the facilities large enough (although Charlotte could try to get a deal with the Panthers' stadium I suppose). And I'm not sure, but if the Georgia Dome goes away in the new Falcons' stadium deal, where does GSU go?
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(07-18-2013 10:18 AM)chess Wrote:  We have to see how some of the new programs grow. Charlotte, Old Dominion, UTSA, Georgia State, etc... What if these programs start averaging 50,000 fans a game?

It will be a challenge. According to THIS WEBSITE only 39 FBS teams averaged 50,000+ in attendance during the 2012 season. Since, according to Wikipedia, there were 120 FBS teams in 2012 that is less than a quarter of FBS level programs. So, drawing the line at 50,000 maybe a little high considering AAC members (current and future) only averaged around 35,000 in 2012. Louisville,ECU, and South Florida were the closest to averaging 50,000.
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(07-18-2013 11:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 10:18 AM)chess Wrote:  We have to see how some of the new programs grow. Charlotte, Old Dominion, UTSA, Georgia State, etc... What if these programs start averaging 50,000 fans a game?

It will be a challenge. According to THIS WEBSITE only 39 FBS teams averaged 50,000+ in attendance during the 2012 season. Since, according to Wikipedia, there were 120 FBS teams in 2012 that is less than a quarter of FBS level programs. So, drawing the line at 50,000 maybe a little high considering AAC members (current and future) only averaged around 35,000 in 2012. Louisville,ECU, and South Florida were the closest to averaging 50,000.

You guys still don't know who is in this conference. Take a look at that list and right behind Ville is Rutgers. We are both here for a year. You either count us both or leave us both out. Take our pick.
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(07-18-2013 02:50 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 11:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 10:18 AM)chess Wrote:  We have to see how some of the new programs grow. Charlotte, Old Dominion, UTSA, Georgia State, etc... What if these programs start averaging 50,000 fans a game?

It will be a challenge. According to THIS WEBSITE only 39 FBS teams averaged 50,000+ in attendance during the 2012 season. Since, according to Wikipedia, there were 120 FBS teams in 2012 that is less than a quarter of FBS level programs. So, drawing the line at 50,000 maybe a little high considering AAC members (current and future) only averaged around 35,000 in 2012. Louisville,ECU, and South Florida were the closest to averaging 50,000.

You guys still don't know who is in this conference. Take a look at that list and right behind Ville is Rutgers. We are both here for a year. You either count us both or leave us both out. Take our pick.

Your school doesn't even acknowledge the conference they are playing in - pretty classless honestly. You may want to lighten up a bit.
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Why would St. Louis join the American when they're next in line for the Big East?
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(07-18-2013 10:18 AM)billings Wrote:  How many times will Air force and Army have to say no?
After Navy has been in the league 4 or 5 years, they will probably be asked one more time.
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(07-18-2013 10:09 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Circa 2020?

East
Army-Navy
UConn-Temple
UCF-USF
ECU

West
Houston-SMU
Tulane-Memphis
Miami (OH)-Cincy
Tulsa


IMHO, all you need is Army and one more regional full member. I like Miami University due to the long standing rivalry with Cincinnati, great for local fans, travel, academics are very strong and the Redhawks help fill in the travel gap Cincy and its fans face right now.

Heck, the American Athletic may be able to start its own Hockey Conference with those two additions, at least have a base - UConn, Army, Navy, Miami. Just need a couple more right?

Anyway, I think that would be a good conference if Army could be convinced and Cincy would be agreeable to the nearby rival.
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(07-18-2013 11:03 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 10:18 AM)chess Wrote:  We have to see how some of the new programs grow. Charlotte, Old Dominion, UTSA, Georgia State, etc... What if these programs start averaging 50,000 fans a game?

Of those, only UTSA and GSU would have the facility large enough to do so. ODU and Charlotte don't have the facilities large enough (although Charlotte could try to get a deal with the Panthers' stadium I suppose). And I'm not sure, but if the Georgia Dome goes away in the new Falcons' stadium deal, where does GSU go?

And Old Dominion can't build a bigger stadium? ODU is a hot ticket in Norfolk.

If I had to bet, it will be Old Dominion and UTSA that gets to 35-40,000 people for home games. Charlotte has the opportunity to grow and support its program and Georgia State will be playing in an empty Georgia Dome.

Who knows? Maybe a school like UAB will build a new stadium, separate from UAT, hire the coaches they want (remember Jeff Fisher?), and build their fanbase.

I don't know the future but before the American looks to expand, we should allow some of these schools to develop their programs over the next few years.
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(07-18-2013 04:15 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 10:09 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Circa 2020?

East
Army-Navy
UConn-Temple
UCF-USF
ECU

West
Houston-SMU
Tulane-Memphis
Miami (OH)-Cincy
Tulsa


IMHO, all you need is Army and one more regional full member. I like Miami University due to the long standing rivalry with Cincinnati, great for local fans, travel, academics are very strong and the Redhawks help fill in the travel gap Cincy and its fans face right now.

Heck, the American Athletic may be able to start its own Hockey Conference with those two additions, at least have a base - UConn, Army, Navy, Miami. Just need a couple more right?

Anyway, I think that would be a good conference if Army could be convinced and Cincy would be agreeable to the nearby rival.

If the American did not consider Northern Illinois and their 16,000 fans a home game, Miami (OH)'s 15,000 will not be considered at this time.

Tulane 18,000.
Tulsa 20,000.
SMU 21,000.
Memphis 24,000.
Temple 27,000.
Houston 27,000.
Cincinnati 29,000.
Navy 32,000.
UCF 34,000.
Connecticut 35,000.
South Florida 44,000.
East Carolina 47,000.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/...out_sports

Old Dominion averaged 20,000
http://thetandd.com/top-average-football...963f4.html
UTSA averaged 28,000
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/utsa/2012/0...last-year/
Georgia State averaged 13,000
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-state-sport...urnstiles/

Concerning Army- Army left C-USA because they were unable to win conference football games over multiple years. Where Navy and Air Force allow some exceptions in weight (linemen), Army has not. The Military Academy has a beautiful campus and game day atmosphere but the football program has a different mission.
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(07-18-2013 03:56 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Why would St. Louis join the American when they're next in line for the Big East?

There's no guarantee the Big East will expand. Fox might ask them to for more inventory, but it's not a guarantee. Either way, each member's slice of the Big East TV pie won't be materially larger with Saint Louis in the league.

Further, my hypo was 2020, i.e., the next American TV deal, as the current one expires in 2019-20.

If Saint Louis is still around in 2018 when the American would be strategically acquiring markets and inventory for the next TV deal, I'm sure Saint Louis would accept (assuming Cincy, UConn, Memphis and Temple were still in the mix).
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(07-18-2013 10:18 AM)billings Wrote:  How many times will Air force and Army have to say no?
Depends on whether The American asks them once a year or twice a year. On the once a year pace, 7 more times between now and 2020.
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(07-18-2013 05:22 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 10:18 AM)billings Wrote:  How many times will Air force and Army have to say no?
Depends on whether The American asks them once a year or twice a year. On the once a year pace, 7 more times between now and 2020.
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(07-18-2013 05:04 PM)chess Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 04:15 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 10:09 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Circa 2020?

East
Army-Navy
UConn-Temple
UCF-USF
ECU

West
Houston-SMU
Tulane-Memphis
Miami (OH)-Cincy
Tulsa


IMHO, all you need is Army and one more regional full member. I like Miami University due to the long standing rivalry with Cincinnati, great for local fans, travel, academics are very strong and the Redhawks help fill in the travel gap Cincy and its fans face right now.

Heck, the American Athletic may be able to start its own Hockey Conference with those two additions, at least have a base - UConn, Army, Navy, Miami. Just need a couple more right?

Anyway, I think that would be a good conference if Army could be convinced and Cincy would be agreeable to the nearby rival.

If the American did not consider Northern Illinois and their 16,000 fans a home game, Miami (OH)'s 15,000 will not be considered at this time.

Tulane 18,000.

I think it's been painfully pointed out that Tulane is no where near 18,000 fans. Miami U would be better than Tulane, but since TU is already in and clearly did not meet your attendance threshold, then I would guess there is no such parameter.
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(07-18-2013 06:21 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 05:04 PM)chess Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 04:15 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 10:09 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Circa 2020?

East
Army-Navy
UConn-Temple
UCF-USF
ECU

West
Houston-SMU
Tulane-Memphis
Miami (OH)-Cincy
Tulsa


IMHO, all you need is Army and one more regional full member. I like Miami University due to the long standing rivalry with Cincinnati, great for local fans, travel, academics are very strong and the Redhawks help fill in the travel gap Cincy and its fans face right now.

Heck, the American Athletic may be able to start its own Hockey Conference with those two additions, at least have a base - UConn, Army, Navy, Miami. Just need a couple more right?

Anyway, I think that would be a good conference if Army could be convinced and Cincy would be agreeable to the nearby rival.

If the American did not consider Northern Illinois and their 16,000 fans a home game, Miami (OH)'s 15,000 will not be considered at this time.

Tulane 18,000.

I think it's been painfully pointed out that Tulane is no where near 18,000 fans. Miami U would be better than Tulane, but since TU is already in and clearly did not meet your attendance threshold, then I would guess there is no such parameter.

I agree that Tulane is a project. Hopefully the new stadium helps.

Does Miami (OH) expect growth in their fan base? Miami has a similar student demographic to Tulsa, Tulane, and SMU.
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(07-18-2013 05:04 PM)chess Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 04:15 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 10:09 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Circa 2020?

East
Army-Navy
UConn-Temple
UCF-USF
ECU

West
Houston-SMU
Tulane-Memphis
Miami (OH)-Cincy
Tulsa


IMHO, all you need is Army and one more regional full member. I like Miami University due to the long standing rivalry with Cincinnati, great for local fans, travel, academics are very strong and the Redhawks help fill in the travel gap Cincy and its fans face right now.

Heck, the American Athletic may be able to start its own Hockey Conference with those two additions, at least have a base - UConn, Army, Navy, Miami. Just need a couple more right?

Anyway, I think that would be a good conference if Army could be convinced and Cincy would be agreeable to the nearby rival.

If the American did not consider Northern Illinois and their 16,000 fans a home game, Miami (OH)'s 15,000 will not be considered at this time.

NIU is not interesting in writing a check for $2.5M to the MAC to join CUSA 2.0.
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only judging Miami based on their current attendance is myopic. Their stadium only holds 24K so even if they were selling out every game the number wouldn't be that impressive. Something to consider is that their football program has the 17th best winning percentage of all time in FBS and is the highest of all G5 programs. Tulsa currently leads the AAC at #44.

Academically Miami rates #89 in the USNWR rankings which would be 5th in the AAC and is 2nd in remaining G5 schools behind Rice.

Not saying the AAC should invite Miami, not saying Miami would accept if invited, just saying that bad attendance is rampant amongst G5, there's other factors that might be more useful.
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