http://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-ten-lio...ncaaf.html

Also discusses the Little Caesars Bowl.

From Steinbrecher's obtuse answers and (perhaps?) Ken Hoffman's unavailability to comment it appears that the MAC may not be bowling in Detroit for very much longer. Oh well, although a few UT fans welcomed the opportunity to see a bowl in person, a large number were always disappointed when UT drew the Detroit bowl------besides, UT lost every single bowl game they played at Ford Field, so it was a bit of a downer anyway.

So, what if the Big 10 still can't provide a bowl eligible team?

Does the NCAA offer a waiver so they can send a team that isn't bowl eligible?

(07-17-2013 11:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  So, what if the Big 10 still can't provide a bowl eligible team?

Does the NCAA offer a waiver so they can send a team that isn't bowl eligible?

Nope, a bowl eligible team from another conference will replace them. It'll be interesting to see where this bowl falls in the pecking order in the Big Ten and ACC. The Motor City Bowl/Little Caesars Bowl was always last in the Big Ten pecking order, which is why the Big Ten wouldn't send a team if they didn't have enough eligible teams or if they had two BCS bids.

Quote: The Big Ten often would not have enough bowl eligible teams to send one to the Little Caesars Bowl.

But they will have enough eligible teams for the new bowl?!?!

(07-18-2013 07:44 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 11:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  So, what if the Big 10 still can't provide a bowl eligible team?

Does the NCAA offer a waiver so they can send a team that isn't bowl eligible?

Nope, a bowl eligible team from another conference will replace them. It'll be interesting to see where this bowl falls in the pecking order in the Big Ten and ACC. The Motor City Bowl/Little Caesars Bowl was always last in the Big Ten pecking order, which is why the Big Ten wouldn't send a team if they didn't have enough eligible teams or if they had two BCS bids.

Yeah, I was basically being sarcastic with the "waiver so they can send a team that isn't bowl eligible" comment since so many Big Money Conference teams with mediocre records end up in bowls. Really, it seems like there is still a fair chance that a MAC team could get invited to this bowl. I got a kick out of the suggested bowl names in the comments. What I never understand is why some people whine about "so many bowls." What do those people care? If they aren't interested then don't go, don't watch it. Boo hoo. Get over it.

I really hope they're at least looking for an alternate site for the MACC, so we can say goodbye to Detroit and Ford Field.

Ford Field actually is a great site, and awesome venue. The problem is that the city of Detroit is unappealing to players and fans during December. It's not Ford Field, or even the matchups that I hate. It's that winter in the Midwest blows!!

Players that stay in the casino lodges are stuck for a week and can't go out because there is no night life or events to attend in Detroit that's legal.

(07-18-2013 01:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Ford Field actually is a great site, and awesome venue. The problem is that the city of Detroit is unappealing to players and fans during December. It's not Ford Field, or even the matchups that I hate. It's that winter in the Midwest blows!!

Players that stay in the casino lodges are stuck for a week and can't go out because there is no night life or events to attend in Detroit that's legal.

I'd have been fine with Detroit but as a city they showed no interest in putting on a "Bowl" game. All the entertainment history, museums and other great things about the city, it was a great opportunity for them to market their city. They showed no interest in entertaining visiting fans.

Along the same vein, kind of disappointed UT didn't get the Ohio-Michigan HS all-star game. It will be in Findlay. I like Findlay but for something with this potential, seriously? We're losing out to Findlay now? Even if they couldn't hold it at a University (NCAA rules?) I would have thought they could have found something suitable in Toledo?

(07-18-2013 02:02 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 01:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Ford Field actually is a great site, and awesome venue. The problem is that the city of Detroit is unappealing to players and fans during December. It's not Ford Field, or even the matchups that I hate. It's that winter in the Midwest blows!!

Players that stay in the casino lodges are stuck for a week and can't go out because there is no night life or events to attend in Detroit that's legal.

I'd have been fine with Detroit but as a city they showed no interest in putting on a "Bowl" game. All the entertainment history, museums and other great things about the city, it was a great opportunity for them to market their city. They showed no interest in entertaining visiting fans.

Along the same vein, kind of disappointed UT didn't get the Ohio-Michigan HS all-star game. It will be in Findlay. I like Findlay but for something with this potential, seriously? We're losing out to Findlay now? Even if they couldn't hold it at a University (NCAA rules?) I would have thought they could have found something suitable in Toledo?

Whitmer, Springfield, Perrysburg, Central Catholic, St. John's all have nicer fields that approach 4k > in seating. How much do they really need?

(07-18-2013 02:46 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:02 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 01:25 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Ford Field actually is a great site, and awesome venue. The problem is that the city of Detroit is unappealing to players and fans during December. It's not Ford Field, or even the matchups that I hate. It's that winter in the Midwest blows!!

Players that stay in the casino lodges are stuck for a week and can't go out because there is no night life or events to attend in Detroit that's legal.

I'd have been fine with Detroit but as a city they showed no interest in putting on a "Bowl" game. All the entertainment history, museums and other great things about the city, it was a great opportunity for them to market their city. They showed no interest in entertaining visiting fans.

Along the same vein, kind of disappointed UT didn't get the Ohio-Michigan HS all-star game. It will be in Findlay. I like Findlay but for something with this potential, seriously? We're losing out to Findlay now? Even if they couldn't hold it at a University (NCAA rules?) I would have thought they could have found something suitable in Toledo?

Whitmer, Springfield, Perrysburg, Central Catholic, St. John's all have nicer fields that approach 4k > in seating. How much do they really need?

a couple of those WAY over 4K too! Maybe Findlay is just that bit closer to the center of Ohio and not too far from Michigan? Our loss.

Speaking of P-Burg, my annual only nice thing I've got to say about P-Burg, reminder to high school fans they're holding the Northwest Ohio Regional All-Star Football game tomorrow 7/19, beginning at 7pm. Always well run. Weather's always perfect. Great location, easy to get to. See the best city, burbs, small town and rural football NW Ohio has to offer. Go Gold!

Will be a real hit in Detroit now that the city has filed for bankruptcy. I don't want to go anywhere near downtown Detroit now. Going to be a lot of laid-off and pi$$ed off workers who live in the city.

Interesting to hear you say that. Ford Field is cool but, to me, safety in the city is a genuine concern at this time.

(07-18-2013 10:11 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 07:44 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 11:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  So, what if the Big 10 still can't provide a bowl eligible team?

Does the NCAA offer a waiver so they can send a team that isn't bowl eligible?

Nope, a bowl eligible team from another conference will replace them. It'll be interesting to see where this bowl falls in the pecking order in the Big Ten and ACC. The Motor City Bowl/Little Caesars Bowl was always last in the Big Ten pecking order, which is why the Big Ten wouldn't send a team if they didn't have enough eligible teams or if they had two BCS bids.

Yeah, I was basically being sarcastic with the "waiver so they can send a team that isn't bowl eligible" comment since so many Big Money Conference teams with mediocre records end up in bowls. Really, it seems like there is still a fair chance that a MAC team could get invited to this bowl. I got a kick out of the suggested bowl names in the comments. What I never understand is why some people whine about "so many bowls." What do those people care? If they aren't interested then don't go, don't watch it. Boo hoo. Get over it.

Gotcha. But Georgia Tech and Arizona State have applied for waivers over the last two seasons. GT actually got it approved.

Is that right? I did not know that. Nice of the NCAA to make rules and then waive them at will.

But the GT waiver was a little different than a 5-7 team applying for a waiver.

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GT got a waiver because they were forced to play a 13th game due to the top teams in their division being ineligible for the ACC Championship game. They would have gone to a bowl game at 6-6, but had to apply for the waiver since they finished 6-7. They then destroyed USC in the Sun Bowl.

Arizona State finished 6-6 a couple years ago, but two of those wins were over Div. 1AA teams, so only four Div. 1A wins made them ineligible. The NCAA denied their waiver.

(07-18-2013 02:02 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Along the same vein, kind of disappointed UT didn't get the Ohio-Michigan HS all-star game. It will be in Findlay. I like Findlay but for something with this potential, seriously? We're losing out to Findlay now? Even if they couldn't hold it at a University (NCAA rules?) I would have thought they could have found something suitable in Toledo?

Let Findlay lose money on this game.

(07-22-2013 01:12 PM)Photodan Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:02 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Along the same vein, kind of disappointed UT didn't get the Ohio-Michigan HS all-star game. It will be in Findlay. I like Findlay but for something with this potential, seriously? We're losing out to Findlay now? Even if they couldn't hold it at a University (NCAA rules?) I would have thought they could have found something suitable in Toledo?

Let Findlay lose money on this game.

Findlay won't lose money. They will gain not only gate but also whatever is spent at local businesses.

The advantage of Toledo to the game was the central location. As is, the game will be rotated meaning no set of experienced volunteers and no opportunity to build a tradition as Hershey, PA did. Their game goes on, it just no longer involves Ohio.

Shortsighted on our part, both Toledo and UofToledo, IMO. We cannot attract and build new businesses without leaders and a University willing to take a risk on bringing people in to see what we have to offer. Michigan St used to hold the Michigan All-Star game, I remember seeing Saban there. Maybe they still do or maybe this was meant to replace that, I don't know but they had players, media and fans attending from all over the state as well as corporate sponsors and visibility.

UofToledo in the small dept budget might not have been able to handle this without losing money, that wouldn't surprise me in the least. But for a University that is losing enrollment and the revenue/cost battle, this is a loss leader that brings onto campus, people interested in higher education, young people, corporate people, and tv cameras that otherwise would never have been here. It would have provided an opportunity to viral UofToledo by word of mouth IMO.

Also, those high schools mentioned by UofToledoFans would have handled it just fine. I cannot in anyway see an economic loss. Whitmer would have more than filled enough people in the stands. I would imagine for them, the issue would be loss of use of the field for the time the players are practicing.

Maybe there's a big picture reason Findlay is on the upswing and Toledo...?