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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-18-2013 05:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
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(07-18-2013 01:58 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote:  So the B1G/ACC know for sure this Bowl gets Certified ?

Yet they might not even have enough teams to fill It ?

Is there any doubt the ACC and B10 can get what they want, if they both want the same thing and it does not make the SEC mad?

True that's why asked Lol..

So the Bowls that's been turn down in the past was the ones the Go5 were trying to get Certified ? Or was there any that would had a P5 School Involved ?

Has a bowl ever been turned down that had two conferences lined up? (I figure the Detroit Bowl will have backups for when the B1G and ACC don't send teams. Whether or not the MAC is that backup is a different question. Oh who am I kidding, the MAC will take it.)

If the MAC has a team that's available and there are no other options for the MAC team, then they should take it as a backup. But I would put it last on the bowl list for the MAC. If the MAC doesn't take it, who else would?
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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-18-2013 11:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 05:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 05:41 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 03:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 01:58 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote:  So the B1G/ACC know for sure this Bowl gets Certified ?

Yet they might not even have enough teams to fill It ?

Is there any doubt the ACC and B10 can get what they want, if they both want the same thing and it does not make the SEC mad?

True that's why asked Lol..

So the Bowls that's been turn down in the past was the ones the Go5 were trying to get Certified ? Or was there any that would had a P5 School Involved ?

Has a bowl ever been turned down that had two conferences lined up? (I figure the Detroit Bowl will have backups for when the B1G and ACC don't send teams. Whether or not the MAC is that backup is a different question. Oh who am I kidding, the MAC will take it.)

If the MAC has a team that's available and there are no other options for the MAC team, then they should take it as a backup. But I would put it last on the bowl list for the MAC. If the MAC doesn't take it, who else would?

That's actually a good point. That's not really a close trip for anyone other than MAC schools. I still would not be surprised to find its a split ACC/MAC tie.
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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-18-2013 03:48 PM)Schema Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 12:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  ND has to be within one win of the team they jump to get into an ACC Bowl. With a 6-6 record, they can only jump teams that are 7-5.

Has it been confirmed that this rule will be in place for the 2014-2019 bowl agreements? I know it is part of the current ACC bowl agreements, but I don't recall seeing this mentioned for the next round of bowls. It seems like it would be complicated to have this rule in conjunction with the tiered selection process of selections 3-6 bing grouped together and selections 7-10 being grouped together.

I believe that rule is part of Notre Dame's agreement with the ACC (as part of the deal to allow ND to place its other sports in the ACC w/o football) and has nothing to do with the bowls.
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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-19-2013 04:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 03:48 PM)Schema Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 12:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  ND has to be within one win of the team they jump to get into an ACC Bowl. With a 6-6 record, they can only jump teams that are 7-5.

Has it been confirmed that this rule will be in place for the 2014-2019 bowl agreements? I know it is part of the current ACC bowl agreements, but I don't recall seeing this mentioned for the next round of bowls. It seems like it would be complicated to have this rule in conjunction with the tiered selection process of selections 3-6 bing grouped together and selections 7-10 being grouped together.

I believe that rule is part of Notre Dame's agreement with the ACC (as part of the deal to allow ND to place its other sports in the ACC w/o football) and has nothing to do with the bowls.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...rrangement
Starting in the 2014 season -- and coinciding with the new college football playoff -- Notre Dame could step over an ACC team and take its place in one of the non-BCS bowls if its record is better than, equal to or within one win of the ACC team or ranked higher in the BCS standings.
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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

ND really advanced the ACC in bowl placement because of their huge travelling fan base. That balances out the risk of having Miami playing outside Florida, Wake Forest playing outside NC, and BC or Duke playing anywhere. Even GT is a very, very small university compared to the B10 model.

(07-18-2013 12:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 12:16 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

But even a 6-6 Notre Dame isn't falling to the Detroit Bowl. Someone else will grab them first.

If ND was 7-5, they could not jump a 9-3 team, and so on.

You also have to take into account that a crappy 6-6 ND team will probably not be selected ahead of UNC, NC State, or Clemson for the Belk Bowl in Charlotte because of all the tickets Clemson, NC State, and UNC will sell in Charlotte, because Charlotte is not Florida and it's not New York, so how many Irish fans will come to Charlotte for a crappy ND team?

ND has to be within one win of the team they jump to get into an ACC Bowl. With a 6-6 record, they can only jump teams that are 7-5.


I dunno, maybe 30,000?
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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-19-2013 06:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

ND really advanced the ACC in bowl placement because of their huge travelling fan base. That balances out the risk of having Miami playing outside Florida, Wake Forest playing outside NC, and BC or Duke playing anywhere. Even GT is a very, very small university compared to the B10 model.

(07-18-2013 12:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 12:16 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

But even a 6-6 Notre Dame isn't falling to the Detroit Bowl. Someone else will grab them first.

If ND was 7-5, they could not jump a 9-3 team, and so on.

You also have to take into account that a crappy 6-6 ND team will probably not be selected ahead of UNC, NC State, or Clemson for the Belk Bowl in Charlotte because of all the tickets Clemson, NC State, and UNC will sell in Charlotte, because Charlotte is not Florida and it's not New York, so how many Irish fans will come to Charlotte for a crappy ND team?

ND has to be within one win of the team they jump to get into an ACC Bowl. With a 6-6 record, they can only jump teams that are 7-5.


I dunno, maybe 30,000?

Not doubting Notre Dame's ability to put 30,000 fans in stadiums and hotels anywhere in the country, or Dublin, but of the ACC's mid-tier bowls, I think Charlotte is the least likely to jump an ACC football team for Notre Dame.
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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-18-2013 11:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  ... If the MAC doesn't take it, who else would?
If the Sunbelt took a back-up relationship with the Pizza Pizza Bowl Bowl, no reason they wouldn't want the new Ford Field bowl.

But given the turnout for some of the Pizza Pizza Bowl Bowl games when it was the Sunbelt rather than the Big Ten, Ford Field might want that relationship.
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here's how the bowl system works- every team in the Chosen 5 that has a record of 6-7 or better gets to bowl, if you're in the 5 little sisters of the poor you have to stand out in the cold with your hands out hoping an 8-4 team will fill an empty spot.
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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-19-2013 01:30 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  here's how the bowl system works- every team in the Chosen 5 that has a record of 6-7 or better gets to bowl, if you're in the 5 little sisters of the poor you have to stand out in the cold with your hands out hoping an 8-4 team will fill an empty spot.

Basically. With these conferences lining up 9-10 bowl games, I am starting to wonder if they will change the rules so that there are no required number of wins to be selected to a bowl (I am being half-sarcastic, but one has to wonder).
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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-19-2013 01:30 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  here's how the bowl system works- every team in the Chosen 5 that has a record of 6-7 or better gets to bowl, if you're in the 5 little sisters of the poor you have to stand out in the cold with your hands out hoping an 8-4 team will fill an empty spot.

Am I missing something.. I keep seeing all these fans of conferences talking about their 8/9 tie-ins... do we really think ALL these conferences are going to have this many valid tie ins consistently (Especially if they stick with their plant not to play any of the Gang of Five.)

Seems like Clifton had the same thought I did about the NCAA's changing their number of wins rules...
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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-19-2013 01:04 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 11:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  ... If the MAC doesn't take it, who else would?
If the Sunbelt took a back-up relationship with the Pizza Pizza Bowl Bowl, no reason they wouldn't want the new Ford Field bowl.

But given the turnout for some of the Pizza Pizza Bowl Bowl games when it was the Sunbelt rather than the Big Ten, Ford Field might want that relationship.

Actually, I read somewhere (think it was on the MAC board) that the LCPB was having trouble signing another conference to play the MAC in Detroit, I.E. the Sun Belt didn't want to play there. And why would they when they can create additional bowls in their own backyard?

So maybe it doesn't matter that the Big 14 is stealing the Detroit bowl.
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(07-19-2013 01:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(07-19-2013 01:30 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  here's how the bowl system works- every team in the Chosen 5 that has a record of 6-7 or better gets to bowl, if you're in the 5 little sisters of the poor you have to stand out in the cold with your hands out hoping an 8-4 team will fill an empty spot.

Am I missing something.. I keep seeing all these fans of conferences talking about their 8/9 tie-ins... do we really think ALL these conferences are going to have this many valid tie ins consistently (Especially if they stick with their plant not to play any of the Gang of Five.)

Seems like Clifton had the same thought I did about the NCAA's changing their number of wins rules...

Consistently no. But I think the power conferences want to ensure that they never have a 6-6 team looking to find an at-large spot. So they'll sign as many tie-ins as they can, and figure it's the bowl's problem if they don't fill it.

If you're the Independence Bowl, and the SEC offers you their #12 (counting playoffs and everything), do you take it knowing that you'll probably see one SEC team over the course of the bowl cycle? You probably do, and you'll find a lower-FBS conference to back the SEC up.

If the ACC and SEC decide to screw the AAC, or if they just decide to help each other out with their last tie-in, you could see something like Birmingham Bowl having ACC #7-10 vs SEC #10-12, with two lower-FBS conferences signed as backups. And what probably happens is the bowl gets one ACC vs SEC game, two ACC vs Lower-FBS, two SEC vs lower-FBS, one lower-FBS vs lower-FBS.

Why? Because:
Quote:here's how the bowl system works- every team in the Chosen 5 that has a record of 6-7 or better gets to bowl, if you're in the 5 little sisters of the poor you have to stand out in the cold with your hands out hoping an 8-4 team will fill an empty spot.
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RE: Ford Field Bowl Game for Big Ten
(07-19-2013 07:57 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(07-19-2013 06:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

ND really advanced the ACC in bowl placement because of their huge travelling fan base. That balances out the risk of having Miami playing outside Florida, Wake Forest playing outside NC, and BC or Duke playing anywhere. Even GT is a very, very small university compared to the B10 model.

(07-18-2013 12:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 12:16 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

But even a 6-6 Notre Dame isn't falling to the Detroit Bowl. Someone else will grab them first.

If ND was 7-5, they could not jump a 9-3 team, and so on.

You also have to take into account that a crappy 6-6 ND team will probably not be selected ahead of UNC, NC State, or Clemson for the Belk Bowl in Charlotte because of all the tickets Clemson, NC State, and UNC will sell in Charlotte, because Charlotte is not Florida and it's not New York, so how many Irish fans will come to Charlotte for a crappy ND team?

ND has to be within one win of the team they jump to get into an ACC Bowl. With a 6-6 record, they can only jump teams that are 7-5.


I dunno, maybe 30,000?

Not doubting Notre Dame's ability to put 30,000 fans in stadiums and hotels anywhere in the country, or Dublin, but of the ACC's mid-tier bowls, I think Charlotte is the least likely to jump an ACC football team for Notre Dame.

When NC State beat ND in the 2002 or 2003 Gator Bowl, ND only brought about 25K fans. We were suprised at the turnout because we had about 35K there and expected the Gator Bowl to be full for them, not us. ND was 9-3 going into that bowl IIRC.

I don't think you are going to get a huge throng of ND fans going to a mid-tier bowl in place that sucks to their fans. I just don't see the average ND fan who is used to Chicago, NY or Florida being interested in Nashville or Charlotte which are for lack of a better term - hick towns compared to Chicago and NY and they are not in Florida. I can see more interest in Jacksonville. I can see a different kind of interest in ND for El Paso and ND should always have a crowd in NYC.

I guess time will tell however I think the ACC is going to have what seems to be defacto control of bowl placement below the level of the Russell Athletic Bowl (the ACC's team not in the playoff, Orange Bowl, or Capital One Bowl) and that might affect things as well.



I think the Ford is a good situation for ND to play and average Purdue or Indiana team or a bad Michigan State team.
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Is the Detroit bowl certified. Sounds like it is a definite go with the B-10 and ACC just replacing the MAC there with a new name. Sounds like the MAC has been passed over and that the MAC will not be taking the LCB somewhere else like St. Louis.
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