(07-17-2013 08:21 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 04:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  They basically kicked the MAC out of the Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl at Ford Field, in order to have this bowl. The Big 14 was supposed to send a team to the LCPB but rarely did.

The prospect that they would be sending a team to Detroit more often is why they are working on getting the ACC tie-in for the bowl.

I don't think that's it, they just wanted a team from a more prestigious conference. Are they really going to send a higher pick to a new Detroit Bowl? Which other bowl gets demoted?

(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

ND really advanced the ACC in bowl placement because of their huge travelling fan base. That balances out the risk of having Miami playing outside Florida, Wake Forest playing outside NC, and BC or Duke playing anywhere. Even GT is a very, very small university compared to the B10 model.

(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

But even a 6-6 Notre Dame isn't falling to the Detroit Bowl. Someone else will grab them first.

(07-18-2013 11:29 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I don't think that's it, they just wanted a team from a more prestigious conference. Are they really going to send a higher pick to a new Detroit Bowl? Which other bowl gets demoted?

With expansion, the Big Ten will be sending one or more additional school(s) to bowls in a normal year, so the current Pizza Pizza bowl spot in the pecking order is more likely to see a team from 2014, going ahead.

And the ACC is in a similar position, so both motive and opportunity to upgrade the brand name of the opposition.

(07-18-2013 12:16 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

But even a 6-6 Notre Dame isn't falling to the Detroit Bowl. Someone else will grab them first.

If ND was 7-5, they could not jump a 9-3 team, and so on.

You also have to take into account that a crappy 6-6 ND team will probably not be selected ahead of UNC, NC State, or Clemson for the Belk Bowl in Charlotte because of all the tickets Clemson, NC State, and UNC will sell in Charlotte, because Charlotte is not Florida and it's not New York, so how many Irish fans will come to Charlotte for a crappy ND team?

ND has to be within one win of the team they jump to get into an ACC Bowl. With a 6-6 record, they can only jump teams that are 7-5.

(07-18-2013 12:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  ND has to be within one win of the team they jump to get into an ACC Bowl. With a 6-6 record, they can only jump teams that are 7-5.

And so if the 3-6 schools are 8-4 or better, ND would be in the 7-10 tier. One 7-5 team in the 3-6 tier, and a 6-6 Notre Dame could be grabbed by one of the 3-6 tier bowls so, yeah, Purdue/Pitt would be more likely than MSU/Notre Dame ...

... but then, Purdue / Pitt would still sell well.

(07-18-2013 12:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:16 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

But even a 6-6 Notre Dame isn't falling to the Detroit Bowl. Someone else will grab them first.

If ND was 7-5, they could not jump a 9-3 team, and so on.

You also have to take into account that a crappy 6-6 ND team will probably not be selected ahead of UNC, NC State, or Clemson for the Belk Bowl in Charlotte because of all the tickets Clemson, NC State, and UNC will sell in Charlotte, because Charlotte is not Florida and it's not New York, so how many Irish fans will come to Charlotte for a crappy ND team?

ND has to be within one win of the team they jump to get into an ACC Bowl. With a 6-6 record, they can only jump teams that are 7-5.

Picking 2010 at random, the ACC went into the bowl season with VT at 11-2 (Orange), Florida State at 10-3 (Russell), Maryland at 8-4 (let's say Louisville in the Music City Bowl), NC STate at 8-4 (let's say Belk). Everyone else was 7-5 or below. So the Pinstripe and Sun Bowls would both have to pass on a 6-6 Notre Dame. Not likely.

I _really_ don't expect Notre Dame to ever see the ACC #7-10 bowls.

(07-18-2013 12:33 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:16 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

But even a 6-6 Notre Dame isn't falling to the Detroit Bowl. Someone else will grab them first.

If ND was 7-5, they could not jump a 9-3 team, and so on.

You also have to take into account that a crappy 6-6 ND team will probably not be selected ahead of UNC, NC State, or Clemson for the Belk Bowl in Charlotte because of all the tickets Clemson, NC State, and UNC will sell in Charlotte, because Charlotte is not Florida and it's not New York, so how many Irish fans will come to Charlotte for a crappy ND team?

ND has to be within one win of the team they jump to get into an ACC Bowl. With a 6-6 record, they can only jump teams that are 7-5.

Picking 2010 at random, the ACC went into the bowl season with VT at 11-2 (Orange), Florida State at 10-3 (Russell), Maryland at 8-4 (let's say Louisville in the Music City Bowl), NC STate at 8-4 (let's say Belk). Everyone else was 7-5 or below. So the Pinstripe and Sun Bowls would both have to pass on a 6-6 Notre Dame. Not likely.

I _really_ don't expect Notre Dame to ever see the ACC #7-10 bowls.

John, you are comparing a 12 team conference to a 14 team conference football conference with ND in the secondary bowl pick pool. For ND to be shut out of the Belk, Sun, Pin Stripe and MC/Gator bowl, they have to finish two games behind the worst ACC 7th place record. With 14 teams, that's possible. You went from saying it would not happen to saying it was not likely. I agree it's not likely, but it most definitely can happen.

(07-17-2013 11:36 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 04:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 04:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Don't see the attraction of this bowl. Sorry. This bowl needs to die before it even starts.

They basically kicked the MAC out of the Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl at Ford Field, in order to have this bowl. The Big 14 was supposed to send a team to the LCPB but rarely did. As long as you had a MAC team from nearby you'd still get a good crowd. With this bowl if the Big 14 can't supply a team (which seems fairly likely, as well as the ACC not providing a team), who's going to go to Detroit in winter to play a #7 (or whatever) ACC team? If I was a MAC official I'd tell the Big 14, Detroit, and Ford Field to shove it.

Yeah, I see this bowl in Boston College's future on a regular basis. Syracuse will enthusiastically play in the snow in a baseball field in NYC on a regular basis (and the Yankees will enthusiastically let us), Pitt playing anywhere but Birmingham doesn't seem right , and UL and ND will finish too high to fall to this game. That leaves BC batting cleanup and taking one for the team Seriously though, I think this will be Pitt/BC v. B1G/MAC. Unless a nearby B1G teams qualifies (fingers crossed it doesn't fall to UMD or RU), attendance could get ugly. B1G v. MAC makes a lot more sense to me. Actually if this was sponsored by McDonald's, it could be the Big Mac Bowl, featuring a B1G team and a MAC team. That almost makes too much sense!

Would you like some fries with that post

Seriously though, with the Lions kicking the MAC out of their stadium; while the MAC has no realistic venue for the game in Detroit, St Louis wants a bowl game and since the LCPB is a sanctioned NCAA game and St Louis will likely have a tough titme getting the NCAA to sanction yet another bowl game moving the LCPB to St Louis makes alot of sense provided the B12 committs to being the other conference supplying a team

(07-17-2013 08:05 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

Quote:Greg Auman ‏@gregauman 2h


Not final yet, but looks like Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl in St. Pete will have American on one side, with 3 years ACC, 3 C-USA on other side

he is reputable

It's also in McMurphy's article (that ACC is negotiating with BoB bowl).

So the B1G/ACC know for sure this Bowl gets Certified ?

Yet they might not even have enough teams to fill It ?

(07-18-2013 12:16 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 11:29 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I don't think that's it, they just wanted a team from a more prestigious conference. Are they really going to send a higher pick to a new Detroit Bowl? Which other bowl gets demoted?

With expansion, the Big Ten will be sending one or more additional school(s) to bowls in a normal year, so the current Pizza Pizza bowl spot in the pecking order is more likely to see a team from 2014, going ahead.

And the ACC is in a similar position, so both motive and opportunity to upgrade the brand name of the opposition.

They're likely to get 1 more bowl eligible team. But considering the Big 14 rarely sent a team to the LCPB, there are still going to be years without an eligible Big 14 school. Who plays then?

(07-18-2013 01:58 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote:  So the B1G/ACC know for sure this Bowl gets Certified ?

Yet they might not even have enough teams to fill It ?

Is there any doubt the ACC and B10 can get what they want, if they both want the same thing and it does not make the SEC mad?

(07-18-2013 12:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  ND has to be within one win of the team they jump to get into an ACC Bowl. With a 6-6 record, they can only jump teams that are 7-5.

Has it been confirmed that this rule will be in place for the 2014-2019 bowl agreements? I know it is part of the current ACC bowl agreements, but I don't recall seeing this mentioned for the next round of bowls. It seems like it would be complicated to have this rule in conjunction with the tiered selection process of selections 3-6 bing grouped together and selections 7-10 being grouped together.

Now that Detroit has filed for bankruptcy wonder if that'll effect the new bowl in anyway. Granted the bowl is not part of the city, but now there's a stigma that setting a new bowl in a city that is in bankruptrcy and the financial backing that will be needed.

(07-18-2013 04:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Now that Detroit has filed for bankruptcy wonder if that'll effect the new bowl in anyway. Granted the bowl is not part of the city, but now there's a stigma that setting a new bowl in a city that is in bankruptrcy and the financial backing that will be needed.

The Detroit stigma has not stopped the bowl from being held in the past, so I doubt it will have any impact now...

(07-18-2013 12:16 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 12:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 04:06 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ACC won't support (with appreciable amount of fans) that game in Detroit.......and will the B10 have a team available every year??

This game is targeted to Notre Dame, Louisville, and Pitt. Remember, ND is an ACC team in bowl selection after the Playoff and the Orange Bowl. A 6-6 ND team will fill the stadium.

But even a 6-6 Notre Dame isn't falling to the Detroit Bowl. Someone else will grab them first.

Agreed...even if ND were in the lower tier, they would just turn it down and stay home...

(07-18-2013 03:03 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  They're likely to get 1 more bowl eligible team. But considering the Big 14 rarely sent a team to the LCPB, there are still going to be years without an eligible Big 14 school. Who plays then?

I doubt there will be reporting on that before there is reporting that the ACC is taking the other side, but given the earlier remarks out of the Big Ten, the MAC seems most likely.

(07-18-2013 03:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 01:58 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote:  So the B1G/ACC know for sure this Bowl gets Certified ?

Yet they might not even have enough teams to fill It ?

Is there any doubt the ACC and B10 can get what they want, if they both want the same thing and it does not make the SEC mad?

True that's why asked Lol..

So the Bowls that's been turn down in the past was the ones the Go5 were trying to get Certified ? Or was there any that would had a P5 School Involved ?

(07-18-2013 05:41 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 03:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 01:58 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote:  So the B1G/ACC know for sure this Bowl gets Certified ?

Yet they might not even have enough teams to fill It ?

Is there any doubt the ACC and B10 can get what they want, if they both want the same thing and it does not make the SEC mad?

True that's why asked Lol..

So the Bowls that's been turn down in the past was the ones the Go5 were trying to get Certified ? Or was there any that would had a P5 School Involved ?

Has a bowl ever been turned down that had two conferences lined up? (I figure the Detroit Bowl will have backups for when the B1G and ACC don't send teams. Whether or not the MAC is that backup is a different question. Oh who am I kidding, the MAC will take it.)