Give eligibility to anyone making progress on any degree. Including former NFL players going back to finish degrees or get post-grad degrees...and P5 transfers even after their P5 eligibility is over. Might get a little star power from time to time and some good punter/kickers :-)

Without the P5 we could make whatever rules we needed to increase interest in our product whether they liked it or not.

(07-22-2013 02:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Give eligibility to anyone making progress on any degree. Including former NFL players going back to finish degrees or get post-grad degrees...and P5 transfers even after their P5 eligibility is over. Might get a little star power from time to time and some good punter/kickers :-)

Without the P5 we could make whatever rules we needed to increase interest in our product whether they liked it or not.

Restored eligibility for players who have signed a pro contract is a good idea.

Do you think the P5 will increase the scholarship limit? If they hoard more players it would have effects on G5 and FCS teams.

(07-22-2013 02:48 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Do you think the P5 will increase the scholarship limit? If they hoard more players it would have effects on G5 and FCS teams.

They pushed to reduce it, what reason would they have to reverse course?

Were the big schools pushing for it last time? I'm not old enough to know who was in favor of it.

(07-22-2013 01:56 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  I'm a huge college football fan. But if this comes to pass - I would follow my team and my conference only. I would never watch a P5 game.

Yes, I am only one person. But there are many fans of other schools that feel the same way. P5 would lose an awful lot of their audience (IMHO). I'd guess up to 33%. In reality, you are talking about losing the fans of Cincy, UConn, USF, ECU, UCF, UH, Boise St., Temple, Memphis, Fresno St, SDSU, SMU, Navy, Air Force, not to mention the MAC and CUSA/SunBelt.

Maybe that is worth it to the P5. Seems stupid to me though, to basically exclude a large chunk of your current audience.

I am also a big football fan but I am already there. I could care less about the majority of the P5 teams and don't watch their games. I watch/attend the Mustangs each week and when they have a bye I will watch another CUSA game. I haven't watched the national championship game since Ohio State won and I seldomly watch the bowl games. The P5 can suck it!

Two years ago I wrote a thoroughly neurotic blog detailing what I thought was coming--the Super 6. I didn't see the Big East getting cut out completely like they did. But in my proposal, I write what new and successful course the "left behind" teams could take.
http://perfectcollegefootballworld.wordp...w-playoff/

All current CFB fans clamber for is a playoff. Playoff, playoff, playoff. Well, besides getting to play OOC games against the Power 5 schools and testing their mettle, they'll also have their own playoff. They'd probably go back to 11 games instead of 12 total...and then start their first round during CCG weekend. They could then play round 2 (round of 8) on Heisman weekend...round 3 (their final 4) on the weekend before Xmas...and then save their championship game for after New Year's Day and pre-Power 5 championship game. I believe that the "left behind" teams playoff would be a strong moneymaker for the remaining teams. Their final 4 would probably beat every pre-New Year's bowl game for ratings. Boise State 13-1 vs. 11-3 Ohio and 12-2 Arkansas State vs. 11-3 Cincinnati.

For bball, they could seize the NIT...and make it far more interesting again. Georgetown, Gonzaga, San Diego State, Marquette...

It's not a "first choice" scenario for the g5 teams...but it's not totally depressing.

(07-22-2013 03:37 PM)MustangChuck Wrote:  

(07-22-2013 01:56 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  I'm a huge college football fan. But if this comes to pass - I would follow my team and my conference only. I would never watch a P5 game.

Yes, I am only one person. But there are many fans of other schools that feel the same way. P5 would lose an awful lot of their audience (IMHO). I'd guess up to 33%. In reality, you are talking about losing the fans of Cincy, UConn, USF, ECU, UCF, UH, Boise St., Temple, Memphis, Fresno St, SDSU, SMU, Navy, Air Force, not to mention the MAC and CUSA/SunBelt.

Maybe that is worth it to the P5. Seems stupid to me though, to basically exclude a large chunk of your current audience.

I am also a big football fan but I am already there. I could care less about the majority of the P5 teams and don't watch their games. I watch/attend the Mustangs each week and when they have a bye I will watch another CUSA game. I haven't watched the national championship game since Ohio State won and I seldomly watch the bowl games. The P5 can suck it!

The arrogance on display here (P5) is on a level that I have never seen in sports, except for maybe the New York Yankees. It's actually worse.

The Yankees can quadruple the payroll of the Rays, and they do. But they don't kick the Rays out of the AL East because they don't average a sellout or pay their players $205M.

The P5 already have the lion's share of the profits. They have larger budgets. They get the best tv contracts. The P5 = The Yankees. You don't need to kick the AAC or MWC teams out of the club. Just spend your giant piles of cash and beat them. Are you scared??

(07-22-2013 03:53 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  

(07-22-2013 03:37 PM)MustangChuck Wrote:  

(07-22-2013 01:56 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  I'm a huge college football fan. But if this comes to pass - I would follow my team and my conference only. I would never watch a P5 game.

Yes, I am only one person. But there are many fans of other schools that feel the same way. P5 would lose an awful lot of their audience (IMHO). I'd guess up to 33%. In reality, you are talking about losing the fans of Cincy, UConn, USF, ECU, UCF, UH, Boise St., Temple, Memphis, Fresno St, SDSU, SMU, Navy, Air Force, not to mention the MAC and CUSA/SunBelt.

Maybe that is worth it to the P5. Seems stupid to me though, to basically exclude a large chunk of your current audience.

I am also a big football fan but I am already there. I could care less about the majority of the P5 teams and don't watch their games. I watch/attend the Mustangs each week and when they have a bye I will watch another CUSA game. I haven't watched the national championship game since Ohio State won and I seldomly watch the bowl games. The P5 can suck it!

The arrogance on display here (P5) is on a level that I have never seen in sports, except for maybe the New York Yankees. It's actually worse.

The Yankees can quadruple the payroll of the Rays, and they do. But they don't kick the Rays out of the AL East because they don't average a sellout or pay their players $205M.

The P5 already have the lion's share of the profits. They have larger budgets. They get the best tv contracts. The P5 = The Yankees. You don't need to kick the AAC or MWC teams out of the club. Just spend your giant piles of cash and beat them. Are you scared??

Their stated concerns are that the rest are setting the rules for them. The stipend seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back.

And it wasn't overwhelmingly opposed by the G5. It was more the rest of Division I.

I tend to agree that most of the G5 could pay the stipend, and if it came to the choice of being relegated to FCS status or pay, most schools would bite the bullet and vote for it.

Although the stipend conversation may just be a straw man argument, leading to the inevitable breakaway over the one thing that I am sure matters: profits. P5 can keep all of the money for themselves.

(07-22-2013 04:24 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  I tend to agree that most of the G5 could pay the stipend, and if it came to the choice of being relegated to FCS status or pay, most schools would bite the bullet and vote for it.

Although the stipend conversation may just be a straw man argument, leading to the inevitable breakaway over the one thing that I am sure matters: profits. P5 can keep all of the money for themselves.

In football the amount of money shared works out to not much for the P5 on a per team basis. The basketball money shared is more significant.

There are at least 10 more basketball conferences than are needed. I would like to see the number limited to about 20 and have a 10 team minimum on membership to get an automatic qualifying spot. There are something like 340 teams playing D1 basketball. The goal should be to get rid of at least 100 of those.