-7 consecutive years with a winning bowl record

-had a winning bowl record in 10 of the last 13 years

-had a losing bowl record......
only 3 times in the last 15 years
only 4 times in the last 18 years
and a total of 6 times in the conference 22 years of existence

-56-42 bowl record (.571)

-big east has a winning record in bowl games vs 8 out of the 9 conferences they have ever faced (b10, b12, sec, acc, c-usa, mac, mwc, & swc)

-winning record vs the b12 & sec (all-time)

-winning bcs record (all-time)

-winning bcs record since the departures of Vtech, miami, & BC

-had 4 programs on the top 20 all time wins list
#14 wvu
#15 syracuse
#16 vtech
#20 pitt

last season
went 4-1 vs the sec
winning record vs bcs teams
had a losing record against only the pac12 & b10

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/sec/bigeast.shtml

(07-12-2013 10:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/sec/bigeast.shtml

thats the same site i used LOL

(07-12-2013 10:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 10:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/sec/bigeast.shtml

thats the same site i used LOL

I was just trying to give a reference.

12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

What was the main cause of its demise?

Its easy to win bowls when you're #2 or 3 Big least Team is playing the #7 or 8 SEC team.

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

8 of the victories came against florida, alabama, & georgia.......it works both ways

(07-12-2013 11:04 PM)slowknight Wrote:  Its easy to win bowls when you're #2 or 3 Big least Team is playing the #7 or 8 SEC team.

Yeah, that's why they played Kentucky and Vanderbilt and Mississippi State so many times. That and Kentucky plays Louisville regularly now.

(07-12-2013 11:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

8 of the victories came against florida, alabama, & georgia.......it works both ways

True and you left out a couple of wins over Auburn there too, but in those games your best was playing our best. But I meant what I said they were terribly underrated for the quality of ball that their upper tier played.

(07-12-2013 11:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

What was the main cause of its demise?

There may be many different answers to that question. Some might think they should have raided the ACC before the ACC raided them, but I think it was the Big 10's winning of Penn State that helped to start their slide. Had Paterno thrown in with the Big East I think they would still be a great conference today. But in life it is always what it is, not what it could have been.

(07-12-2013 11:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

What was the main cause of its demise?

There may be many different answers to that question. Some might think they should have raided the ACC before the ACC raided them, but I think it was the Big 10's winning of Penn State that helped to start their slide. Had Paterno thrown in with the Big East I think they would still be a great conference today. But in life it is always what it is, not what it could have been.

Yeah I imagine Penn State was a loss they couldn't recover from.

(07-12-2013 11:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:04 PM)slowknight Wrote:  Its easy to win bowls when you're #2 or 3 Big least Team is playing the #7 or 8 SEC team.

Yeah, that's why they played Kentucky and Vanderbilt and Mississippi State so many times. That and Kentucky plays Louisville regularly now.

sec has 14 teams. the big east has 8 teams......

if they went 1 vs 1, 5 vs 5, etc. they would get killed

(07-12-2013 11:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

What was the main cause of its demise?

oh lets see,

1. having basketball schools & football schools with conflicting interests

2. letting one school (with a huge ego) run the show

3. rejecting penn state

4. the basketball schools telling miami to stick it

5. turning down a billion dollar tv contract

(07-12-2013 11:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

What was the main cause of its demise?

There may be many different answers to that question. Some might think they should have raided the ACC before the ACC raided them, but I think it was the Big 10's winning of Penn State that helped to start their slide. Had Paterno thrown in with the Big East I think they would still be a great conference today. But in life it is always what it is, not what it could have been.

Yeah I imagine Penn State was a loss they couldn't recover from.

Well Penn State was an independent they hoped to land and indeed there had been long term discussions along those lines, but Paterno went a different direction. There are many Big East guys on the board that know the fine details of that story a lot better than I do. You ought to ask Brista 21 or Omniorange about that.

(07-12-2013 11:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

What was the main cause of its demise?

There may be many different answers to that question. Some might think they should have raided the ACC before the ACC raided them, but I think it was the Big 10's winning of Penn State that helped to start their slide. Had Paterno thrown in with the Big East I think they would still be a great conference today. But in life it is always what it is, not what it could have been.

paterno was all in on the big east. what stopped that from happening was Providence. but even if they joined the BE things would have been interesting. miami, bc, cuse & pitt all fell right off the charts after psu was lost. (northeast football died when psu started looking west) plus you have the possibility that after psu, the BE could have nabbed fsu & nd

psu is like texas, there is a lot of ego/demanding special treatment that comes with that school, had they been in the BE who knows how that conference would have turned out

(07-12-2013 11:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

What was the main cause of its demise?

oh lets see,

1. having basketball schools & football schools with conflicting interests

2. letting one school (with a huge ego) run the show

3. rejecting penn state

4. the basketball schools telling miami to stick it

5. turning down a billion dollar tv contract

wasn't Pitt's chancellor in charge of negotiating the last TV contract; didn't he advise the BE to reject it right before Pitt, and Syracuse, announced they were leaving for the ACC?

is that the TV contract you mean?

(07-12-2013 11:41 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

What was the main cause of its demise?

oh lets see,

1. having basketball schools & football schools with conflicting interests

2. letting one school (with a huge ego) run the show

3. rejecting penn state

4. the basketball schools telling miami to stick it

5. turning down a billion dollar tv contract

wasn't Pitt's chancellor in charge of negotiating the last TV contract; didn't he advise the BE to reject it right before Pitt, and Syracuse, announced they were leaving for the ACC?

is that the TV contract you mean?

this was before pitt/cuse left. the 8 football schools voted yes, the 7 basketball schools + notre dame turned it down.

yes thats right.....the deal failed because 8 non football schools voted against it

during the c7 split someone leaked a story about how when they got a 2nd offer the 8 FB schools offered to give 25% of the revenue to the BB schools if they agreed to vote yes. this was proposed during a meeting and an official from one of basketball schools said they should get 75% (of the football revenue) because this was "their basketball conference"

you cant fix that kind of stupid......this conference had some serious issues

(07-12-2013 11:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 11:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  12 of the victories against the SEC came against Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

That aside I agree with the OP that the Big East was greatly underrated for the vast majority of its existence and in it's prime was without question the equal of, or the better of, the other power conferences.

What was the main cause of its demise?

There may be many different answers to that question. Some might think they should have raided the ACC before the ACC raided them, but I think it was the Big 10's winning of Penn State that helped to start their slide. Had Paterno thrown in with the Big East I think they would still be a great conference today. But in life it is always what it is, not what it could have been.

paterno was all in on the big east. what stopped that from happening was Providence. but even if they joined the BE things would have been interesting. miami, bc, cuse & pitt all fell right off the charts after psu was lost. (northeast football died when psu started looking west) plus you have the possibility that after psu, the BE could have nabbed fsu & nd

psu is like texas, there is a lot of ego/demanding special treatment that comes with that school, had they been in the BE who knows how that conference would have turned out

What do you mean by "Providence" the school or the conference HQ?

To follow up on what gosports is saying, Providence the school voted in favor of admitting Penn State in the 80s, while Gavitt was still commissioner. Also, on Paterno's being "all in" on the Big East, Paterno wanted ridiculously unequal unfair benefits for Penn State football.