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RE: Least Valuable Additions in Realignment
(07-09-2013 03:47 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Least valuable power 5
1 - Rutgers - Never been good at either major sport, Athletic Department is strapped

Hyperbole much?
  • Football - Not world beaters, but I feel very comfortable and justified in calling us a good but not great and certainly not elite team.
  • Men's Hoops - We haven't been good in about 20 years or so. We've had a few flashes of turning the corner, but mostly its been mediocrity. We've made a Final Four in 1976, ancient history sure but proves that never been good is awfully hyperbolic.

Additionally, the Athletic Department has been on a plan to become 100% self-sufficient even before the Big Ten admission.
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(07-09-2013 08:54 AM)EerMeNow Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 08:19 AM)TRest3 Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 07:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 10:48 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  Rutgers, Colorado, Mizzou. Probably Pitt. And Miami has never paid off for the ACC.

LOL. Funny how a UCONN fan and a WVU fan both mention Pitt as a mistake...

I'll play too...

Worst exchange in value was the BE in 2004 who lost Miami, VT and BC and got UL, UC and UCONN. UL was the best one solid but wasn't quite as good as Miami and VT at the time. UC was a BB add at the time but made the most of their situation; however, did not bring in the TV numbers and revenue that the 3 departing members could. UCONN was already a BE member, so the only thing the conference got was a FB program that can never become great because the recruiting grounds suck and both MBB and WBB takes priority over football.
I like it when your reasonable act drops and you lash out. UConn's football program, as a start-up, was the equal to historic Pitt. And it wasn't an exchange, it was a move made necessary by the ACC raid. Enjoy your continued mediocrity, a change of scenery won't change your underwhelming athletic department.



TRest, you are wasting your time and energy. There is no fan base in the country with a louder bark on a message board relative to its bite on the field than Pitt. Beyond playing spoiler to WVU in 2007 (on its way to yet another losing season), Pitt football has been largely irrelevant since the early 80s. Like you, I see no reason why that will not continue in the ACC.

That's fine to think that way. Contrary to what TRest may think, I'm not angry at all or lashing out. I just find it comical that the ones who go out of their way to bash Pitt the most is WVU and UCONN fans. WVU fans doing it is expected because there is a lot of history between the schools. But UCONN fans? Ha! One dopey Boston Globe sports writer opines about how "Pitt took UCONN's spot in the ACC", and the disdain has been non-stop from those clowns.

Pitt will be fine, so no skin off my nose. I just find it funny.
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RE: Least Valuable Additions in Realignment
(07-09-2013 06:02 AM)lew240z Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 03:47 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Least valuable power 5

5 - Colorado - It will take a while for them to switch recruiting Texas to California. I don't think they'll ever be elite again.


You might want to check CU's rosters. California has been far more important for CU recruiting than Texas since way before the Big 12 was created. CU has more alumni in CA than anywhere else. They don't have many in TX.

Colorado was the one school in the Big 12 whose number of Texans went down after the Big 12 was formed. Everyone else increased dramatically.
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RE: Least Valuable Additions in Realignment
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1. TCU good short term, but I have doubts about what they add long term.
2. Missouri-misfit
3T. Syracuse & Pitt-short term allowed ACC to re-arrange their deal, but have been declining in football and ACC didn't need their basketball. Most importantly, going from 12 to 14 will cause problems.
5. Maryland-struggling athletic program although it meets B10 needs in other ways.

Gang of 5
1. Idaho-easily the worst
2. Georgia State-aren't ready, may never be
3. Texas State-see Georgia State, although they are a little closer to ready
4. UNC-Charlotte-they don't even have a program yet
5T. Everyone else CUSA added except Louisiana Tech. They took the bottom of the Sun Belt.
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RE: Least Valuable Additions in Realignment
(07-09-2013 10:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  Big 5
1. TCU good short term, but I have doubts about what they add long term.
2. Missouri-misfit
3T. Syracuse & Pitt-short term allowed ACC to re-arrange their deal, but have been declining in football and ACC didn't need their basketball. Most importantly, going from 12 to 14 will cause problems.
5. Maryland-struggling athletic program although it meets B10 needs in other ways.

Gang of 5
1. Idaho-easily the worst
2. Georgia State-aren't ready, may never be
3. Texas State-see Georgia State, although they are a little closer to ready
4. UNC-Charlotte-they don't even have a program yet
5T. Everyone else CUSA added except Louisiana Tech. They took the bottom of the Sun Belt.
I think Missouri is less of a misfit for the SEC than many suspect. They do border several SEC states, and there's a significant number of people (particularly in Southeast MO) that are culturally compatible. Actually, I think Missouri is an interesting case - I think that they'd be a good fit for the Big 12, SEC, and B1G. They may not have been a 12 for the B1G or 13 for the SEC, but they were a good fit for SEC #14.

As for TCU, I think it's good to have conference games being played in the D/FW area.
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RE: Least Valuable Additions in Realignment
(07-09-2013 07:26 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 06:02 AM)lew240z Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 03:47 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Least valuable power 5

5 - Colorado - It will take a while for them to switch recruiting Texas to California. I don't think they'll ever be elite again.


You might want to check CU's rosters. California has been far more important for CU recruiting than Texas since way before the Big 12 was created. CU has more alumni in CA than anywhere else. They don't have many in TX.

OK, so they've already transitioned over and they still suck. So there is no light at the end of the tunnel and this is as good as we can ever expect them to be. Definately a least valuable addition.

No, they didn't transition over. CU has always recruited CA over TX. Two bad coaching selections by a terrible but now departed AD doesn't mean they will not be back. BTW, CU to the PAC had a lot more to do with one billion dollars in research grants than the chump change that is college sports.
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RE: Least Valuable Additions in Realignment
(07-09-2013 10:19 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 10:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  Big 5
1. TCU good short term, but I have doubts about what they add long term.
2. Missouri-misfit
3T. Syracuse & Pitt-short term allowed ACC to re-arrange their deal, but have been declining in football and ACC didn't need their basketball. Most importantly, going from 12 to 14 will cause problems.
5. Maryland-struggling athletic program although it meets B10 needs in other ways.

Gang of 5
1. Idaho-easily the worst
2. Georgia State-aren't ready, may never be
3. Texas State-see Georgia State, although they are a little closer to ready
4. UNC-Charlotte-they don't even have a program yet
5T. Everyone else CUSA added except Louisiana Tech. They took the bottom of the Sun Belt.
I think Missouri is less of a misfit for the SEC than many suspect. They do border several SEC states, and there's a significant number of people (particularly in Southeast MO) that are culturally compatible. Actually, I think Missouri is an interesting case - I think that they'd be a good fit for the Big 12, SEC, and B1G. They may not have been a 12 for the B1G or 13 for the SEC, but they were a good fit for SEC #14.

As for TCU, I think it's good to have conference games being played in the D/FW area.

I agree. Missouri was a border state 150 years ago and they still are. St. Louis is not the gateway to the West without reason. As history has proven Kansas is less of a border state than their neighbors to the East. Nebraska while Mid Western is also comfortable where they are. I think Missouri's unique case would make it difficult for them to find 100% acceptance from its citizens for any new conference outside of the old Big 8. And indeed it was never comfortable with the SWC 4 which shifted the cultural balance of what was the Old Big 8.
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RE: Least Valuable Additions in Realignment
(07-09-2013 12:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 10:19 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 10:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  Big 5
1. TCU good short term, but I have doubts about what they add long term.
2. Missouri-misfit
3T. Syracuse & Pitt-short term allowed ACC to re-arrange their deal, but have been declining in football and ACC didn't need their basketball. Most importantly, going from 12 to 14 will cause problems.
5. Maryland-struggling athletic program although it meets B10 needs in other ways.

Gang of 5
1. Idaho-easily the worst
2. Georgia State-aren't ready, may never be
3. Texas State-see Georgia State, although they are a little closer to ready
4. UNC-Charlotte-they don't even have a program yet
5T. Everyone else CUSA added except Louisiana Tech. They took the bottom of the Sun Belt.
I think Missouri is less of a misfit for the SEC than many suspect. They do border several SEC states, and there's a significant number of people (particularly in Southeast MO) that are culturally compatible. Actually, I think Missouri is an interesting case - I think that they'd be a good fit for the Big 12, SEC, and B1G. They may not have been a 12 for the B1G or 13 for the SEC, but they were a good fit for SEC #14.

As for TCU, I think it's good to have conference games being played in the D/FW area.

I agree. Missouri was a border state 150 years ago and they still are. St. Louis is not the gateway to the West without reason. As history has proven Kansas is less of a border state than their neighbors to the East. Nebraska while Mid Western is also comfortable where they are. I think Missouri's unique case would make it difficult for them to find 100% acceptance from its citizens for any new conference outside of the old Big 8. And indeed it was never comfortable with the SWC 4 which shifted the cultural balance of what was the Old Big 8.

Fair assessment of the Missouri situation. Its a little bit western, a little bit midwestern and a little bit southern. It can fit into the Big Ten, SEC, Big 12 or even a Pac-16/18. Wouldn't fit the ACC too well though or a Pac-14.
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RE: Least Valuable Additions in Realignment
colorado/utah
rutgers/maryland
mizz

these schools were invited for reasons other than football. markets. academics. or getting to 12 teams.........their value to the conference did not rest on the football team.

tcu/wvu were added just for football reasons while bringing nothing else to the table. the result was zero bowl wins, and losing conference records

as for 2013

preseason rankings
tcu: 40 wvu: 68

recruiting rankings
wvu: 32 tcu: 49

i think its safe to say that they were both busts and thus the worst addition
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I don't know how anyone can possibly even venture a guess? Ask me in about 10 years and I'll have an answer for you. Otherwise this is nothing more than an exercise in futility (and for fans of the left behind/misplaced schools to vent their ongoing frustration).
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(07-09-2013 06:02 AM)lew240z Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 03:47 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Least valuable power 5

5 - Colorado - It will take a while for them to switch recruiting Texas to California. I don't think they'll ever be elite again.


You might want to check CU's rosters. California has been far more important for CU recruiting than Texas since way before the Big 12 was created. CU has more alumni in CA than anywhere else. They don't have many in TX.

Correct. Their 1990 team that won the AP national title had 38 players from Colorado, 32 from California, 10 from Texas.
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(07-08-2013 10:33 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  From a football aspect, both additions to the Pac 12.

Yep. Everyone in the conference got to play USC once a year...until they PAC !0 decided to add Utah and Colorado....
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RE: Least Valuable Additions in Realignment
Some folks here are going way back in time - It tough to compare additions made by the Big 5 between 1990 and 2003 and those made when the B10 restarted realignment with Nebraska in 2010, but hell, let's try:

Top addtions:

1. ND to the ACC in 2012 - don't be fooled by the Irish only playing 5 ACC games, the ACC got the number one brand in the nation and opened Chicagoland, the Midwest and tightened it's hold on NY with ND. A top national power at the time of addtion. This was the big prize.

2. Penn State to the B10 in 1990 - put the Big 10 on the East Coast - a top national power at the time of addition.

3. FSU to the ACC in 1992 - put the ACC in Florida - at top national power at the time of addition

4. TAMU to the SEC in 2011 - put the SEC in Texas - then TAMU overperformed their first year - the biggest positive suprise

5. Nebraska to the B10 in 2010 - the best name out there other than ND at the time

6. Miami to the ACC in 2003 - the best independent other than ND at the time - a top national power

7. VT to the ACC in 2003 - a huge suprise that needed to perform when FSU and Miami had coaching issues that festered too long.

8. Arkansas to the SEC 1992 - overperformed for a number of years until the Petrino disaster

These 8 are clear - unqualified winners for their conferences, even those that have taken a bit of a dip as Penn State, Nebraska, Miami, FSU and Arkansas have since joining their conferences.

The next 7 are solid additions - carry their own load so to speak in football or basketball or deliver a solid market that the conference did not have.

9. South Carolina to the SEC in 1992 - gets SEC to 12

10. Mizzou - adds the KC and St. Louis markets and keeps them from the B10

11. Louisville - adds Kentucky and southside Indiana markets - comming off fantastic sucess in the major sports - hurt the B12 with this addition

12. Syracuse - added New York to the ACC despite the current state of any of their programs

13. BC - added Boston and New England to ACC markets although program has tanked in recent years

14. MD - retaliation against the ACC for hitting ND in the heart of the B10, captures Baltimore market allows B10 to share DC, however the programs are in terrible shape and there are real management questions at the very top of the universtiy

15. Pitt - the weakest ACC addition, but they are important to ND and they bring Pittsburgh and Western PA

This last set is the dog set so to speak - they add little, they look to be uncompetative.

16. WVa - taken because the B12 was desperate - far and away the best of this group. Distance to the rest of the conference is a real issue.

17. Colorado - a bad set of teams, but a good expansion to Denver getting the P12 closer to 12

18. Rutgers - a real mess, but supposedly helps the B10 keep Penn State in the B10. Not a lot of upside on this addition.

19. Utah - a placeholder to get the P12 to 12

20. TCU - a placeholder to get the B12 to 10 - other than that adds the least to a major conference


If you go back to 1992 there are three clear winners in the expansion wars - the ACC, SEC, and B10. The P12 and the B12 barely stayed in the game and the if you average all the addtions and range them you get the following:

SEC - 7.75 4-10 (That's pretty consistant)
ACC - 8.50 1-15 (Four top addtions, but several average)
B10 - 9.75 2-18 (They started out fastest and finshest slowest)
B10 - 18.00 16-20 (Barely survived)
P12 - 18.00 17-19 (Got to 12 but did it with next to nothing)

Back in 1991, the ACC had just 8 schools the SEC, P12, and B10 had 10 of course. Since then the Big 8 effectively died, the SW conference effectively died, and the the Big East effectively died. By most long term measures the ACC is the clear winner and the clear losers are the Big East, and what's left of the Big 8 and Southwest Conference.

This is why all eyes are on Oklahoma and Texas for the next decade or so as they are what holds the B12 together.
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RE: Least Valuable Additions in Realignment
(07-09-2013 01:34 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 06:02 AM)lew240z Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 03:47 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Least valuable power 5

5 - Colorado - It will take a while for them to switch recruiting Texas to California. I don't think they'll ever be elite again.


You might want to check CU's rosters. California has been far more important for CU recruiting than Texas since way before the Big 12 was created. CU has more alumni in CA than anywhere else. They don't have many in TX.

Correct. Their 1990 team that won the AP national title had 38 players from Colorado, 32 from California, 10 from Texas.


Colorado would have made a better B10 team than P12 team. Their alums would not like that and the cross cultural flow from California to Colorado is huge, but from a competition factor, I think they had a better chance with Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesotta, etc.
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(07-09-2013 01:58 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 10:33 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  From a football aspect, both additions to the Pac 12.

Yep. Everyone in the conference got to play USC once a year...until they PAC !0 decided to add Utah and Colorado....

I see the market aspect for CU, but Utah?
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Colorado would have made a better B10 team than P12 team. Their alums would not like that and the cross cultural flow from California to Colorado is huge, but from a competition factor, I think they had a better chance with Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesotta, etc.

that is so true. cu is more of a b10 style school than anything

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(07-09-2013 02:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Colorado would have made a better B10 team than P12 team. Their alums would not like that and the cross cultural flow from California to Colorado is huge, but from a competition factor, I think they had a better chance with Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesotta, etc.

that is so true. cu is more of a b10 style school than anything

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Big 10 could not add Colorado after adding Nebraska. Nebraska loathes Colorado.
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yeah but lets face it......

UNL is not gonna block colorado at this point. they need a division rival and colorado is the last school (after texas) that fits the b10s academic portfolio
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The PAC adds aren't horrible, maybe just disappointing in what they got vs LS' original vision for the PAC 16
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(07-09-2013 09:52 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-09-2013 08:54 AM)EerMeNow Wrote:  
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(07-09-2013 07:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 10:48 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  Rutgers, Colorado, Mizzou. Probably Pitt. And Miami has never paid off for the ACC.
LOL. Funny how a UCONN fan and a WVU fan both mention Pitt as a mistake...

I'll play too...

Worst exchange in value was the BE in 2004 who lost Miami, VT and BC and got UL, UC and UCONN. UL was the best one solid but wasn't quite as good as Miami and VT at the time. UC was a BB add at the time but made the most of their situation; however, did not bring in the TV numbers and revenue that the 3 departing members could. UCONN was already a BE member, so the only thing the conference got was a FB program that can never become great because the recruiting grounds suck and both MBB and WBB takes priority over football.
I like it when your reasonable act drops and you lash out. UConn's football program, as a start-up, was the equal to historic Pitt. And it wasn't an exchange, it was a move made necessary by the ACC raid. Enjoy your continued mediocrity, a change of scenery won't change your underwhelming athletic department.
TRest, you are wasting your time and energy. There is no fan base in the country with a louder bark on a message board relative to its bite on the field than Pitt. Beyond playing spoiler to WVU in 2007 (on its way to yet another losing season), Pitt football has been largely irrelevant since the early 80s. Like you, I see no reason why that will not continue in the ACC.
That's fine to think that way. Contrary to what TRest may think, I'm not angry at all or lashing out. I just find it comical that the ones who go out of their way to bash Pitt the most is WVU and UCONN fans. WVU fans doing it is expected because there is a lot of history between the schools. But UCONN fans? Ha! One dopey Boston Globe sports writer opines about how "Pitt took UCONN's spot in the ACC", and the disdain has been non-stop from those clowns.

Pitt will be fine, so no skin off my nose. I just find it funny.
I find all of it pretty amusing. You can predict with a pretty good probability the school each poster roots for based on the schools they complain about and ridicule...

There are exceptions. But not outside the standard deviation of statistical probability...
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