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(07-09-2013 07:39 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  1 - Penn State
2 - Florida State
3 - Texas A&M
4 - Miami
5 - Nebraska
6 - Virginia Tech
7 - Arkansas
8-19 - any order - Missouri, South Carolina, Pitt, Cuse, 5/8ths of ND, TCU, WVU, Colorado, Utah, Louisville, BC, Boise State.

Not so sure on Miami, they've been mostly a dud in the ACC
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I think Old Dominion will prove to be C-USA's best addition. They've got to get to work on expanding their stadium and forget this past basketball season quickly.
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(07-08-2013 10:06 PM)orangefan Wrote:  There's been a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking about who won and lost as a result of realignment. One topic that I have not seen analyzed is who were the most valuable additions in realignment. Here's my crack at a list, trying to use objective criteria wherever possible.

1. Texas A&M. The second most popular program in the football crazy second largest state in the U.S. gives the SEC a firm foothold in that state, another national brand, a reopening of the SEC's deal with ESPN, and inventory to launch a SEC Network.

2. Nebraska. The B1G had the choice of basically anyone on he table, and chose Nebraska. Nebraska brings the strongest football brand of any schools that are relocating, and its addition allows the B1G to host a CCG.

3. Syracuse. The addition of Syracuse and Pitt allowed the ACC to increase the value of its TV contact to existing members by $48 million in addition to the $17 million each that they were to earn. That puts their individual TV value at $30-40 million per year. Syracuse is rumored to have been the ACC's first choice and agreed to host a Friday football game, another aspect of the ESPN initial increase, so they edge their running mate, Pitt.

4. Pittsburgh. See the discussion of Syracuse above. Also, the Big 12 was rumored interested in Pitt ahead of the expansion candidates that they settled on.

5. Notre Dame. ND's agreement to play hoops and a limited football schedule was enough to increase the ACC TV deal by another $14-28 million excluding ND's cut.

6. Missouri. Texas A&M's running mate brings another good sized state to the SEC footprint, plus a solid hoops program to a league that needs more of that

7. Maryland. Maryland gives the B1G a foothold in the populous DC-Baltimore area.

8. Louisville, 9. West Virginia, 10.TCU. Louisville gets the first nod among these 3 because of its incredible 2012-13 season and the strength of its athletic revenues. WVU was otherwise even with but edged out Louisville to the B12 because it was willing to sue the BE to leave immediately. TCU got the first call from the B12 due to geography and their immediate availability, however they duplicate existing B12 territory.

11. Colorado. The P12's first choice gives them the most popular team in the largest western state with no representative already in the league, contributes to the addition of a CCG, and provides inventory for the launch of the P12 Network.

12. Rutgers. Gives the B1G presence in the NYC market and inventory for the BTN.

13. Utah. Gives the P12 another state flagship, contributes to the addition of a CCG and provides inventory for the creation of the P12 Network.

14. Boise State. First team to leave the WAC for the MWC back in 2010, before leaving to the Big East and then returning. Gives the MWC a national brand and top 20 contender.

15. UCF, 15a. Houston. These schools are rising programs with new stadiums in large markets that are solid recruiting grounds. They both have promise in basketball as well.

where are you getting the figures for Syracuse? Seem a little inflated. Can't tell you how many CUSE games I watched where only half the stadium is full in Syracuse. Don't see at all how CUSE adds that much to a TV contract. I think your delusional at best. CUSE couldn't even win the Big East in football, what do you think will happen with a new half baked coach in a new league with twice the talent? Lose and lose and lose. Then no one will be watching and no one will be attending games. The only thing you guys offer to the ACC is Lacrosse. I see CUSE bringing next to nothing to the table and when Boeheim retires, the basketball will be more of nothing to add. I don't see those figures at all. YOu make it sound like CUSE has NYC in the bag. Not the case at all. YOu got in the ACC because ESPN wanted it. ESPN believes CUSE may help, I don't see it. Wh
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(07-10-2013 05:03 PM)Vewb1 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 10:06 PM)orangefan Wrote:  There's been a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking about who won and lost as a result of realignment. One topic that I have not seen analyzed is who were the most valuable additions in realignment. Here's my crack at a list, trying to use objective criteria wherever possible.

1. Texas A&M. The second most popular program in the football crazy second largest state in the U.S. gives the SEC a firm foothold in that state, another national brand, a reopening of the SEC's deal with ESPN, and inventory to launch a SEC Network.

2. Nebraska. The B1G had the choice of basically anyone on he table, and chose Nebraska. Nebraska brings the strongest football brand of any schools that are relocating, and its addition allows the B1G to host a CCG.

3. Syracuse. The addition of Syracuse and Pitt allowed the ACC to increase the value of its TV contact to existing members by $48 million in addition to the $17 million each that they were to earn. That puts their individual TV value at $30-40 million per year. Syracuse is rumored to have been the ACC's first choice and agreed to host a Friday football game, another aspect of the ESPN initial increase, so they edge their running mate, Pitt.

4. Pittsburgh. See the discussion of Syracuse above. Also, the Big 12 was rumored interested in Pitt ahead of the expansion candidates that they settled on.

5. Notre Dame. ND's agreement to play hoops and a limited football schedule was enough to increase the ACC TV deal by another $14-28 million excluding ND's cut.

6. Missouri. Texas A&M's running mate brings another good sized state to the SEC footprint, plus a solid hoops program to a league that needs more of that

7. Maryland. Maryland gives the B1G a foothold in the populous DC-Baltimore area.

8. Louisville, 9. West Virginia, 10.TCU. Louisville gets the first nod among these 3 because of its incredible 2012-13 season and the strength of its athletic revenues. WVU was otherwise even with but edged out Louisville to the B12 because it was willing to sue the BE to leave immediately. TCU got the first call from the B12 due to geography and their immediate availability, however they duplicate existing B12 territory.

11. Colorado. The P12's first choice gives them the most popular team in the largest western state with no representative already in the league, contributes to the addition of a CCG, and provides inventory for the launch of the P12 Network.

12. Rutgers. Gives the B1G presence in the NYC market and inventory for the BTN.

13. Utah. Gives the P12 another state flagship, contributes to the addition of a CCG and provides inventory for the creation of the P12 Network.

14. Boise State. First team to leave the WAC for the MWC back in 2010, before leaving to the Big East and then returning. Gives the MWC a national brand and top 20 contender.

15. UCF, 15a. Houston. These schools are rising programs with new stadiums in large markets that are solid recruiting grounds. They both have promise in basketball as well.

where are you getting the figures for Syracuse? Seem a little inflated. Can't tell you how many CUSE games I watched where only half the stadium is full in Syracuse. Don't see at all how CUSE adds that much to a TV contract. I think your delusional at best. CUSE couldn't even win the Big East in football, what do you think will happen with a new half baked coach in a new league with twice the talent? Lose and lose and lose. Then no one will be watching and no one will be attending games. The only thing you guys offer to the ACC is Lacrosse. I see CUSE bringing next to nothing to the table and when Boeheim retires, the basketball will be more of nothing to add. I don't see those figures at all. YOu make it sound like CUSE has NYC in the bag. Not the case at all. YOu got in the ACC because ESPN wanted it. ESPN believes CUSE may help, I don't see it. Wh

Well, we are the current BIG EAST football champs, the current BIG EAST basketball runner-ups, and the current BIG EAST lax champs. So other than Football, basketball, and lacrosse, we are also #3 in the BIG EAST director's cup standings (behind ND and UL), and we are #3 in revenue in the BIG EAST (behind ND and UL). We are also tied for 3rd in academics (behind GU and ND and tied with Pitt).

So aside from football, basketball, lacrosse, Olympic sports, money, and academics, we bring rivalries with ACC schools (some of which desperately need rivals...I'm looking at you, BC!).

Also, arguably the best defensive coordinator in the nation isn't a half-basked replacement. The same goes for arguably the best assistant basketball coach in the nation, and undeniably the best lacrosse head coach in waiting in the nation (at any level).

EDIT: I forgot all of Syracuse's major facilities (except the some of the Dome) have been recently replaced, built, or are in the process of being built, so there's also the allure of shiny new facilities.

EDIT X2: His numbers for SU and Pitt are as follows:
*pre-expansion ACC had a deal worth $13 million/yr/school
*post expansion ACC had a deal worth $17 million/yr/school
*12 teams in pre-expansion ACC
THAT MEANS: $17-$13=$4, $4*12=$48 million
$48 million split between Pitt and Syracuse equals $24 million each ($48/2=$24)

Both Pitt and SU had a deal that paid $17 million/yr after the expansion

$24 million + $17 million = $41 million. Arguably the ACC contract was below market rate, but the ACC would not have been able to reach market rate without the SU + Pitt add.
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1. UMKC's addition to the WAC, which ensures that even if NMSU bolts, the WAC will still have the requisite seven members to retain its basketball auto bid.

Each of the other additions mentioned in this thread brought value to their new conference but I don't think any were critical to their new conference's continued survival.
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(07-10-2013 07:20 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  1. UMKC's addition to the WAC, which ensures that even if NMSU bolts, the WAC will still have the requisite seven members to retain its basketball auto bid.

Each of the other additions mentioned in this thread brought value to their new conference but I don't think any were critical to their new conference's continued survival.

Valid point
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(07-10-2013 09:07 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(07-10-2013 05:03 PM)Vewb1 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 10:06 PM)orangefan Wrote:  There's been a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking about who won and lost as a result of realignment. One topic that I have not seen analyzed is who were the most valuable additions in realignment. Here's my crack at a list, trying to use objective criteria wherever possible.

1. Texas A&M. The second most popular program in the football crazy second largest state in the U.S. gives the SEC a firm foothold in that state, another national brand, a reopening of the SEC's deal with ESPN, and inventory to launch a SEC Network.

2. Nebraska. The B1G had the choice of basically anyone on he table, and chose Nebraska. Nebraska brings the strongest football brand of any schools that are relocating, and its addition allows the B1G to host a CCG.

3. Syracuse. The addition of Syracuse and Pitt allowed the ACC to increase the value of its TV contact to existing members by $48 million in addition to the $17 million each that they were to earn. That puts their individual TV value at $30-40 million per year. Syracuse is rumored to have been the ACC's first choice and agreed to host a Friday football game, another aspect of the ESPN initial increase, so they edge their running mate, Pitt.

4. Pittsburgh. See the discussion of Syracuse above. Also, the Big 12 was rumored interested in Pitt ahead of the expansion candidates that they settled on.

5. Notre Dame. ND's agreement to play hoops and a limited football schedule was enough to increase the ACC TV deal by another $14-28 million excluding ND's cut.

6. Missouri. Texas A&M's running mate brings another good sized state to the SEC footprint, plus a solid hoops program to a league that needs more of that

7. Maryland. Maryland gives the B1G a foothold in the populous DC-Baltimore area.

8. Louisville, 9. West Virginia, 10.TCU. Louisville gets the first nod among these 3 because of its incredible 2012-13 season and the strength of its athletic revenues. WVU was otherwise even with but edged out Louisville to the B12 because it was willing to sue the BE to leave immediately. TCU got the first call from the B12 due to geography and their immediate availability, however they duplicate existing B12 territory.

11. Colorado. The P12's first choice gives them the most popular team in the largest western state with no representative already in the league, contributes to the addition of a CCG, and provides inventory for the launch of the P12 Network.

12. Rutgers. Gives the B1G presence in the NYC market and inventory for the BTN.

13. Utah. Gives the P12 another state flagship, contributes to the addition of a CCG and provides inventory for the creation of the P12 Network.

14. Boise State. First team to leave the WAC for the MWC back in 2010, before leaving to the Big East and then returning. Gives the MWC a national brand and top 20 contender.

15. UCF, 15a. Houston. These schools are rising programs with new stadiums in large markets that are solid recruiting grounds. They both have promise in basketball as well.

where are you getting the figures for Syracuse? Seem a little inflated. Can't tell you how many CUSE games I watched where only half the stadium is full in Syracuse. Don't see at all how CUSE adds that much to a TV contract. I think your delusional at best. CUSE couldn't even win the Big East in football, what do you think will happen with a new half baked coach in a new league with twice the talent? Lose and lose and lose. Then no one will be watching and no one will be attending games. The only thing you guys offer to the ACC is Lacrosse. I see CUSE bringing next to nothing to the table and when Boeheim retires, the basketball will be more of nothing to add. I don't see those figures at all. YOu make it sound like CUSE has NYC in the bag. Not the case at all. YOu got in the ACC because ESPN wanted it. ESPN believes CUSE may help, I don't see it. Wh

Your jealousy is showing. ALL i CAN SAY IS

WOW!

wow.......my fellow cuse fans destroyed that guy
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(07-10-2013 06:26 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-10-2013 05:03 PM)Vewb1 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 10:06 PM)orangefan Wrote:  There's been a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking about who won and lost as a result of realignment. One topic that I have not seen analyzed is who were the most valuable additions in realignment. Here's my crack at a list, trying to use objective criteria wherever possible.

1. Texas A&M. The second most popular program in the football crazy second largest state in the U.S. gives the SEC a firm foothold in that state, another national brand, a reopening of the SEC's deal with ESPN, and inventory to launch a SEC Network.

2. Nebraska. The B1G had the choice of basically anyone on he table, and chose Nebraska. Nebraska brings the strongest football brand of any schools that are relocating, and its addition allows the B1G to host a CCG.

3. Syracuse. The addition of Syracuse and Pitt allowed the ACC to increase the value of its TV contact to existing members by $48 million in addition to the $17 million each that they were to earn. That puts their individual TV value at $30-40 million per year. Syracuse is rumored to have been the ACC's first choice and agreed to host a Friday football game, another aspect of the ESPN initial increase, so they edge their running mate, Pitt.

4. Pittsburgh. See the discussion of Syracuse above. Also, the Big 12 was rumored interested in Pitt ahead of the expansion candidates that they settled on.

5. Notre Dame. ND's agreement to play hoops and a limited football schedule was enough to increase the ACC TV deal by another $14-28 million excluding ND's cut.

6. Missouri. Texas A&M's running mate brings another good sized state to the SEC footprint, plus a solid hoops program to a league that needs more of that

7. Maryland. Maryland gives the B1G a foothold in the populous DC-Baltimore area.

8. Louisville, 9. West Virginia, 10.TCU. Louisville gets the first nod among these 3 because of its incredible 2012-13 season and the strength of its athletic revenues. WVU was otherwise even with but edged out Louisville to the B12 because it was willing to sue the BE to leave immediately. TCU got the first call from the B12 due to geography and their immediate availability, however they duplicate existing B12 territory.

11. Colorado. The P12's first choice gives them the most popular team in the largest western state with no representative already in the league, contributes to the addition of a CCG, and provides inventory for the launch of the P12 Network.

12. Rutgers. Gives the B1G presence in the NYC market and inventory for the BTN.

13. Utah. Gives the P12 another state flagship, contributes to the addition of a CCG and provides inventory for the creation of the P12 Network.

14. Boise State. First team to leave the WAC for the MWC back in 2010, before leaving to the Big East and then returning. Gives the MWC a national brand and top 20 contender.

15. UCF, 15a. Houston. These schools are rising programs with new stadiums in large markets that are solid recruiting grounds. They both have promise in basketball as well.

where are you getting the figures for Syracuse? Seem a little inflated. Can't tell you how many CUSE games I watched where only half the stadium is full in Syracuse. Don't see at all how CUSE adds that much to a TV contract. I think your delusional at best. CUSE couldn't even win the Big East in football, what do you think will happen with a new half baked coach in a new league with twice the talent? Lose and lose and lose. Then no one will be watching and no one will be attending games. The only thing you guys offer to the ACC is Lacrosse. I see CUSE bringing next to nothing to the table and when Boeheim retires, the basketball will be more of nothing to add. I don't see those figures at all. YOu make it sound like CUSE has NYC in the bag. Not the case at all. YOu got in the ACC because ESPN wanted it. ESPN believes CUSE may help, I don't see it. Wh

Well, we are the current BIG EAST football champs, the current BIG EAST basketball runner-ups, and the current BIG EAST lax champs. So other than Football, basketball, and lacrosse, we are also #3 in the BIG EAST director's cup standings (behind ND and UL), and we are #3 in revenue in the BIG EAST (behind ND and UL). W are also tied for 3rd in academics (behind GU and ND and tied with Pitt).

So aside from football, basketball, lacrosse, Olympic sports, money, and academics, we bring rivalries with ACC schools (some of which desperately need rivals...I'm looking at you, BC!).

Also, arguably the best defensive coordinator in the nation isn't a half-basked replacement. The same goes for arguably the best assistant basketball coach in the nation, and undeniably the best lacrosse head coach in waiting in the nation (at any level).

EDIT: I forgot all of Syracuse's major facilities (except the some of the Dome) have been recently replaced, built, or are in the process of being built, so there's also the allure of shiny new facilities.

EDIT X2: His numbers for SU and Pitt are as follows:
*pre-expansion ACC had a deal worth $13 million/yr/school
*post expansion ACC had a deal worth $17 million/yr/school
*12 teams in pre-expansion ACC
THAT MEANS: $17-$13=$4, $4*12=$48 million
$48 million split between Pitt and Syracuse equals $24 million each ($48/2=$24)

Both Pitt and SU had a deal that paid $17 million/yr after the expansion

$24 million + $17 million = $41 million. Arguably the ACC contract was below market rate, but the ACC would not have been able to reach market rate without the SU + Pitt add.

Were Pitt and Cuse worth $48 million no other ACC teams value went up since contract negotiations? Adding teams reopened negotiations for the conference, or are Pitt and Cuse four times as valuable as Notre Dame and Louisville, didn't the contract only go up $1 million a team for those two?

If Cuse and Pitt are worth $24 million each and the previous members are only worth $13 million, Cuse and Pitt should go independent. They are being leached off of pretty bad by their conference mates.
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(07-10-2013 09:56 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  
(07-10-2013 06:26 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  EDIT X2: His numbers for SU and Pitt are as follows:
*pre-expansion ACC had a deal worth $13 million/yr/school
*post expansion ACC had a deal worth $17 million/yr/school
*12 teams in pre-expansion ACC
THAT MEANS: $17-$13=$4, $4*12=$48 million
$48 million split between Pitt and Syracuse equals $24 million each ($48/2=$24)

Both Pitt and SU had a deal that paid $17 million/yr after the expansion

$24 million + $17 million = $41 million. Arguably the ACC contract was below market rate, but the ACC would not have been able to reach market rate without the SU + Pitt add.

Were Pitt and Cuse worth $48 million no other ACC teams value went up since contract negotiations? Adding teams reopened negotiations for the conference, or are Pitt and Cuse four times as valuable as Notre Dame and Louisville, didn't the contract only go up $1 million a team for those two?

1. See bold
2. No. The contract is currently "above $20 million" and it has increased by "over $3 million." Also, keep in mind that there are 2 more schools.

Being conservative and calling it a $3 million increase: (instead of a $3+ increase)
$3 million * 14 = $42 million (increase for pre-ND & UL ACC)
plus
$20 million * 2 = $40 million (ND & UL)

equals $82 million combined, or $41 each.

The actual influx of cash into the conference was about the same (actually using rounded numbers and being conservative with ND and UL, exactly the same), but ND is only playing 5 football games, and SU's athletic dept. is quite profitable, but will be on another level once FB returns. Either way, I do think that some of the bump was A) because the ACC had a crazy low contract before, and B) because the contract was extended.
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imma cuse fan and i wanna set the record straight

1. the acc got a contract extension not a new contract. when their current contract expires in a couple of years then they will really be raking in the cash because they can finally start fielding competing offers

2. sports are in high demand, its not one or two schools responsible for a conferences increase in value but all the schools increase in value

3. the schools being added are justification to tv execs as "hey we improved by adding schools.....give us more money since were giving you more product".
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(07-10-2013 06:26 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Well, we are the current BIG EAST football champs, the current BIG EAST basketball runner-ups, and the current BIG EAST lax champs. So other than Football, basketball, and lacrosse, we are also #3 in the BIG EAST director's cup standings (behind ND and UL), and we are #3 in revenue in the BIG EAST (behind ND and UL). We are also tied for 3rd in academics (behind GU and ND and tied with Pitt).

So aside from football, basketball, lacrosse, Olympic sports, money, and academics, we bring rivalries with ACC schools (some of which desperately need rivals...I'm looking at you, BC!).

Also, arguably the best defensive coordinator in the nation isn't a half-basked replacement. The same goes for arguably the best assistant basketball coach in the nation, and undeniably the best lacrosse head coach in waiting in the nation (at any level).

EDIT: I forgot all of Syracuse's major facilities (except the some of the Dome) have been recently replaced, built, or are in the process of being built, so there's also the allure of shiny new facilities.

EDIT X2: His numbers for SU and Pitt are as follows:
*pre-expansion ACC had a deal worth $13 million/yr/school
*post expansion ACC had a deal worth $17 million/yr/school
*12 teams in pre-expansion ACC
THAT MEANS: $17-$13=$4, $4*12=$48 million
$48 million split between Pitt and Syracuse equals $24 million each ($48/2=$24)

Both Pitt and SU had a deal that paid $17 million/yr after the expansion

$24 million + $17 million = $41 million. Arguably the ACC contract was below market rate, but the ACC would not have been able to reach market rate without the SU + Pitt add.

Yes, that is the math. To be fair, the ACC's extension of its prior 12 year contract by an additional 4 years may be worth up to half of the overall TV contract increase from $13 million to $17 million/school/year. Adding 3 Friday night football games also has some value, although as I noted before, Syracuse committed to hosting one of these games annually. 12 out of 13 other schools in the league refused to do except on Thanksgiving or opening weekend. Thus, Syracuse and Pitt each provided at least $29 million a piece per year to the value of the ACC TV deal, $12 million of which goes to the existing members.

Notre Dame's addition also brought $1 million per school for the remaining members of the conference. That puts their value to the existing members at precisely $14 million plus their share of $3.5. Thus, they could be slightly more valuable to the ACC than SU or Pitt depending on the value assignable to the initial extension, but not by much.

Both the ACC and SEC were trapped in long term undermarket contracts with ESPN. ESPN had no incentive or obligation to increase the value of these TV deals for market changes. The only way to increase the value of these deals was to 1) add schools with a higher value than the conference average, 2) add games in new windows like Friday night, 3) extend the contract, 4) provide a grant of rights or other assurance that members would not be lost during the term of the contract. By contrast, the B1G and the P10 were looking to add CCG's and to add inventory to support their conference networks. These were not as dependent on individual school value.
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(07-11-2013 08:40 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(07-10-2013 06:26 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Well, we are the current BIG EAST football champs, the current BIG EAST basketball runner-ups, and the current BIG EAST lax champs. So other than Football, basketball, and lacrosse, we are also #3 in the BIG EAST director's cup standings (behind ND and UL), and we are #3 in revenue in the BIG EAST (behind ND and UL). We are also tied for 3rd in academics (behind GU and ND and tied with Pitt).

So aside from football, basketball, lacrosse, Olympic sports, money, and academics, we bring rivalries with ACC schools (some of which desperately need rivals...I'm looking at you, BC!).

Also, arguably the best defensive coordinator in the nation isn't a half-basked replacement. The same goes for arguably the best assistant basketball coach in the nation, and undeniably the best lacrosse head coach in waiting in the nation (at any level).

EDIT: I forgot all of Syracuse's major facilities (except the some of the Dome) have been recently replaced, built, or are in the process of being built, so there's also the allure of shiny new facilities.

EDIT X2: His numbers for SU and Pitt are as follows:
*pre-expansion ACC had a deal worth $13 million/yr/school
*post expansion ACC had a deal worth $17 million/yr/school
*12 teams in pre-expansion ACC
THAT MEANS: $17-$13=$4, $4*12=$48 million
$48 million split between Pitt and Syracuse equals $24 million each ($48/2=$24)

Both Pitt and SU had a deal that paid $17 million/yr after the expansion

$24 million + $17 million = $41 million. Arguably the ACC contract was below market rate, but the ACC would not have been able to reach market rate without the SU + Pitt add.

Yes, that is the math. To be fair, the ACC's extension of its prior 12 year contract by an additional 4 years may be worth up to half of the overall TV contract increase from $13 million to $17 million/school/year. Adding 3 Friday night football games also has some value, although as I noted before, Syracuse committed to hosting one of these games annually. 12 out of 13 other schools in the league refused to do except on Thanksgiving or opening weekend. Thus, Syracuse and Pitt each provided at least $29 million a piece per year to the value of the ACC TV deal, $12 million of which goes to the existing members.

Notre Dame's addition also brought $1 million per school for the remaining members of the conference. That puts their value to the existing members at precisely $14 million plus their share of $3.5. Thus, they could be slightly more valuable to the ACC than SU or Pitt depending on the value assignable to the initial extension, but not by much.

Both the ACC and SEC were trapped in long term undermarket contracts with ESPN. ESPN had no incentive or obligation to increase the value of these TV deals for market changes. The only way to increase the value of these deals was to 1) add schools with a higher value than the conference average, 2) add games in new windows like Friday night, 3) extend the contract, 4) provide a grant of rights or other assurance that members would not be lost during the term of the contract. By contract, the B1G and the P10 were looking to add CCG's and to add inventory to support their conference networks. These were not as dependent on individual school value.

This is accurate. Also, the ACC sold the naming rights to the ACC basketball tournament. That definitely added some value to ESPN.
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RE: Most Valuable Additions in Realignment
Most Valuable per FBS conference
SEC - Texas A&M
Big Ten - tie Rutgers and Maryland (value for TV markets only)
ACC - Notre Dame even without football
Pac12 - Colorado I guess
BigXII - none
AAC - they're all new so it's a toss up - I'll say UCF or Houston
MWC - Boise State canceling move
CUSA - Old Dominion
Sun Belt - Appalachian State
MAC - none
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