(07-08-2013 04:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:18 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This may be an unpopular statement, but I'm not so sure the NCAA had any jurisdiction over this kind of crime. This is an actual crime...not an athletic violation.

Until they can produce a student athlete linked to this, I feel the same.

Where it concerns this "good news" with donations and whatnot...Sara Ganim, the one who broke the abuse story, has reminded us repeatedly to be mindful and cautious of how PSU moves their dollar. She really stirred the pot when she questioned where THON money was going, but she's dead on. This number, you just don't really know...

I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

Mmmm. Think about it this way. If this happened anywhere else, would the district attorney charge the suspect with committing crimes against ethics and integrity? IMO it's just not something the NCAA is set up for. On the other hand, I see the argument where they had to do something. It's a tricky situation.

Hopefully it will never happen again.

Not tricky. Straight forward. All you have to do is read the bylaws and the reasoning for the penalties when they were delivered. It's only tricky if you are in denial, as is most of that fan base.

Penn State should be thankful that they even have sports after what went on on that campus.

HINT: the rest of the sports world DOES NOT think that Penn State "got more punishment than they deserved". The truth is that y'all got off lightly. I mean... KIDS GOT RAPED BY A MEMBER OF YOUR COACHING STAFF AND OFFICIALS COVERED IT UP OR LOOKED THE OTHER WAY!!!!!!

Do you really think that a few years of no TV or bowls and reduced schollies can make up for that? Jesus, man....

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:18 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This may be an unpopular statement, but I'm not so sure the NCAA had any jurisdiction over this kind of crime. This is an actual crime...not an athletic violation.

Until they can produce a student athlete linked to this, I feel the same.

Where it concerns this "good news" with donations and whatnot...Sara Ganim, the one who broke the abuse story, has reminded us repeatedly to be mindful and cautious of how PSU moves their dollar. She really stirred the pot when she questioned where THON money was going, but she's dead on. This number, you just don't really know...

I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

And if it had happened at a DII school the NCAA would have done nothing because nobody would have known about it. Just take a look at the sanctions against Montana for multiple cover-ups by campus police for the football team......oh wait, there aren't any because that's not a national case and nobody outside of Missoula cares about Montana football.

Instead the NCAA, under the incompetent Mark Emmert, let public opinion determine the course of the NCAA rather than allowing the criminal justice and civil court systems to handle the problem. By taking action in this case while standing by and doing nothing in others the NCAA just produced yet another example of the random nature of their enforcement arm.

(07-08-2013 04:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:18 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This may be an unpopular statement, but I'm not so sure the NCAA had any jurisdiction over this kind of crime. This is an actual crime...not an athletic violation.

Until they can produce a student athlete linked to this, I feel the same.

Where it concerns this "good news" with donations and whatnot...Sara Ganim, the one who broke the abuse story, has reminded us repeatedly to be mindful and cautious of how PSU moves their dollar. She really stirred the pot when she questioned where THON money was going, but she's dead on. This number, you just don't really know...

I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

Mmmm. Think about it this way. If this happened anywhere else, would the district attorney charge the suspect with committing crimes against ethics and integrity? IMO it's just not something the NCAA is set up for. On the other hand, I see the argument where they had to do something. It's a tricky situation.

Hopefully it will never happen again.

It's not a court of law, it's a private club. Like I posted earlier a writer once said "Should they have to have a by-law against covering up child molestation?". The membership of this private club was disgusted by the actions of one of it's members and used the by-laws in place that they did violate to punish them.

Here is an example that fits well. Al Capone the worlds most infamous and deadly gangster didn't go to jail for murder or bootlegging, he went to jail for tax evasion. Just because you can't nail a slimeball on the crimes you KNOW he committed, nail him for the crimes you can PROVE he committed.

(07-08-2013 04:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Until they can produce a student athlete linked to this, I feel the same.

Where it concerns this "good news" with donations and whatnot...Sara Ganim, the one who broke the abuse story, has reminded us repeatedly to be mindful and cautious of how PSU moves their dollar. She really stirred the pot when she questioned where THON money was going, but she's dead on. This number, you just don't really know...

I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

Mmmm. Think about it this way. If this happened anywhere else, would the district attorney charge the suspect with committing crimes against ethics and integrity? IMO it's just not something the NCAA is set up for. On the other hand, I see the argument where they had to do something. It's a tricky situation.

Hopefully it will never happen again.

It's not a court of law, it's a private club. Like I posted earlier a writer once said "Should they have to have a by-law against covering up child molestation?". The membership of this private club was disgusted by the actions of one of it's members and used the by-laws in place that they did violate to punish them.

Here is an example that fits well. Al Capone the worlds most infamous and deadly gangster didn't go to jail for murder or bootlegging, he went to jail for tax evasion. Just because you can't nail a slimeball on the crimes you KNOW he committed, nail him for the crimes you can PROVE he committed.

But it's still not a conduct or sports violation. It's a criminal act on school property.

(07-08-2013 04:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:18 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This may be an unpopular statement, but I'm not so sure the NCAA had any jurisdiction over this kind of crime. This is an actual crime...not an athletic violation.

Until they can produce a student athlete linked to this, I feel the same.

Where it concerns this "good news" with donations and whatnot...Sara Ganim, the one who broke the abuse story, has reminded us repeatedly to be mindful and cautious of how PSU moves their dollar. She really stirred the pot when she questioned where THON money was going, but she's dead on. This number, you just don't really know...

I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

And if it had happened at a DII school the NCAA would have done nothing because nobody would have known about it. Just take a look at the sanctions against Montana for multiple cover-ups by campus police for the football team......oh wait, there aren't any because that's not a national case and nobody outside of Missoula cares about Montana football.

Instead the NCAA, under the incompetent Mark Emmert, let public opinion determine the course of the NCAA rather than allowing the criminal justice and civil court systems to handle the problem. By taking action in this case while standing by and doing nothing in others the NCAA just produced yet another example of the random nature of their enforcement arm.

The Montana case is still being investigated. I guess to you covering up of child molestation is something that should just be let go because who cares FOOTBALL!

This is also quite funny because it usually goes that the little guy gets hammered while the big guys get away with a slap on the wrist. Boise got hit with sanctions for buying a kid a hamburger at Mickey D's and let them sleep on someones couch while Miami, UNC, Oregon, Auburn and all the other big boys get "probation".

Yeah look at all the little guys running the NCAA!!!! Hahaha

(07-08-2013 04:25 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

Mmmm. Think about it this way. If this happened anywhere else, would the district attorney charge the suspect with committing crimes against ethics and integrity? IMO it's just not something the NCAA is set up for. On the other hand, I see the argument where they had to do something. It's a tricky situation.

Hopefully it will never happen again.

It's not a court of law, it's a private club. Like I posted earlier a writer once said "Should they have to have a by-law against covering up child molestation?". The membership of this private club was disgusted by the actions of one of it's members and used the by-laws in place that they did violate to punish them.

Here is an example that fits well. Al Capone the worlds most infamous and deadly gangster didn't go to jail for murder or bootlegging, he went to jail for tax evasion. Just because you can't nail a slimeball on the crimes you KNOW he committed, nail him for the crimes you can PROVE he committed.

But it's still not a conduct or sports violation. It's a criminal act on school property.

An NCAA member violated NCAA rules. How is that not clear?

(07-08-2013 04:25 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  But it's still not a conduct or sports violation. It's a criminal act on school property.

Agreed completely. The school can be sued incredibly for what happened. There can be criminal prosecutions. The issue though had nothing to do with NCAA rules and enforcement (or at most, it was a side issue) therefore it had no right to be very involved.

(07-08-2013 04:11 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:09 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Until they can produce a student athlete linked to this, I feel the same.

Where it concerns this "good news" with donations and whatnot...Sara Ganim, the one who broke the abuse story, has reminded us repeatedly to be mindful and cautious of how PSU moves their dollar. She really stirred the pot when she questioned where THON money was going, but she's dead on. This number, you just don't really know...

I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

Mmmm. Think about it this way. If this happened anywhere else, would the district attorney charge the suspect with committing crimes against ethics and integrity? IMO it's just not something the NCAA is set up for. On the other hand, I see the argument where they had to do something. It's a tricky situation.

Hopefully it will never happen again.

Not tricky. Straight forward. All you have to do is read the bylaws and the reasoning for the penalties when they were delivered. It's only tricky if you are in denial, as is most of that fan base.

I have no affiliation with PSU. I am 100 percent non biased. I fail to see how kids being lured into a shower is a violation of a NCAA bylaw. It's a violation of state law.

(07-08-2013 04:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Until they can produce a student athlete linked to this, I feel the same.

Where it concerns this "good news" with donations and whatnot...Sara Ganim, the one who broke the abuse story, has reminded us repeatedly to be mindful and cautious of how PSU moves their dollar. She really stirred the pot when she questioned where THON money was going, but she's dead on. This number, you just don't really know...

I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

And if it had happened at a DII school the NCAA would have done nothing because nobody would have known about it. Just take a look at the sanctions against Montana for multiple cover-ups by campus police for the football team......oh wait, there aren't any because that's not a national case and nobody outside of Missoula cares about Montana football.

Instead the NCAA, under the incompetent Mark Emmert, let public opinion determine the course of the NCAA rather than allowing the criminal justice and civil court systems to handle the problem. By taking action in this case while standing by and doing nothing in others the NCAA just produced yet another example of the random nature of their enforcement arm.

The Montana case is still being investigated. I guess to you covering up of child molestation is something that should just be let go because who cares FOOTBALL!

This is also quite funny because it usually goes that the little guy gets hammered while the big guys get away with a slap on the wrist. Boise got hit with sanctions for buying a kid a hamburger at Mickey D's and let them sleep on someones couch while Miami, UNC, Oregon, Auburn and all the other big boys get "probation".

Yeah look at all the little guys running the NCAA!!!! Hahaha

What you said about the "private club" nature of the NCAA is correct; if they want to curb a member's privileges they are within their rights to do so. I would be willing to bet that the other members supported these punishments.

I sympathize with those fans who recognize the gravity of what occurred and yes, I do know some PSU fans. However, I do not respect the ones who say that they were "punished too severely" and that "what's being done to the football program is wrong". What's wrong is that your famed head coach, an assistant, many officials (including your president) and most likely many others enabled a child molester and helped cover up his crimes or at the very least, chose to "not speak about it". There is no punishment too severe for these sins.

PSU deserves everything that they are getting and much more.

(07-08-2013 04:31 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:25 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  But it's still not a conduct or sports violation. It's a criminal act on school property.

Agreed completely. The school can be sued incredibly for what happened. There can be criminal prosecutions. The issue though had nothing to do with NCAA rules and enforcement (or at most, it was a side issue) therefore it had no right to be very involved.

It broke NCAA rules on ethics and integrity. It's a private club whose members were disgusted with how another member acted in showing no signs of either ethics or integrity and punished them for that. I don't understand how people don't get that.

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:18 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This may be an unpopular statement, but I'm not so sure the NCAA had any jurisdiction over this kind of crime. This is an actual crime...not an athletic violation.

Until they can produce a student athlete linked to this, I feel the same.

Where it concerns this "good news" with donations and whatnot...Sara Ganim, the one who broke the abuse story, has reminded us repeatedly to be mindful and cautious of how PSU moves their dollar. She really stirred the pot when she questioned where THON money was going, but she's dead on. This number, you just don't really know...

I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

I agree. I'm fine with them getting punished, but the way the NCAA went about this matter, they used a gatling gun where a sniper rifle was needed.

(07-08-2013 04:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Until they can produce a student athlete linked to this, I feel the same.

Where it concerns this "good news" with donations and whatnot...Sara Ganim, the one who broke the abuse story, has reminded us repeatedly to be mindful and cautious of how PSU moves their dollar. She really stirred the pot when she questioned where THON money was going, but she's dead on. This number, you just don't really know...

I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

And if it had happened at a DII school the NCAA would have done nothing because nobody would have known about it. Just take a look at the sanctions against Montana for multiple cover-ups by campus police for the football team......oh wait, there aren't any because that's not a national case and nobody outside of Missoula cares about Montana football.

Instead the NCAA, under the incompetent Mark Emmert, let public opinion determine the course of the NCAA rather than allowing the criminal justice and civil court systems to handle the problem. By taking action in this case while standing by and doing nothing in others the NCAA just produced yet another example of the random nature of their enforcement arm.

The Montana case is still being investigated. I guess to you covering up of child molestation is something that should just be let go because who cares FOOTBALL!

So the NCAA can conduct a thorough investigation of Penn State in seven months, complete with penalties, but can't do the same to Montana in over a year's time? The DOJ has already completed it's investigation of Montana. Of course the DOJ doesn't have to worry about paying witnesses, lie to witnesses about previous testimony, and other unethical means in their investigation like the NCAA.

The child molestation was being taken care of by the criminal justice system, as it should have been handled. The NCAA only got involved because of a whole bunch of hand wringing in the media about how "somebody should do something" so the NCAA did. And as ineptly as usual.

Quote:This is also quite funny because it usually goes that the little guy gets hammered while the big guys get away with a slap on the wrist. Boise got hit with sanctions for buying a kid a hamburger at Mickey D's and let them sleep on someones couch while Miami, UNC, Oregon, Auburn and all the other big boys get "probation".

Yeah look at all the little guys running the NCAA!!!! Hahaha

Nothing funny about it, and it shows the subjective nature of the NCAA enforcement arm.

Had the Penn State case happened within the basketball program of a DIII school in some Iowa backwater town the NCAA never would have taken action, primarily because it would not have got the NCAA the PR boost it desired. The flip side of that is the same backwater DIII program can expect to get hammered on other violations because in the big picture it doesn't cost the NCAA anything to hammer these lower division programs,and it helps the NCAA when they point at how effective they are at policing their ranks.

I honestly would not be surprised if Florida and Urban Meyer are investigated by the NCAA as a result of the current Hernandez murder allegations. Nevermind the fact that the 31 arrests making the news today were common knowledge back in 2010 when Meyer was still at Florida. It's all about the PR.

(07-08-2013 04:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 03:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think the NCAA felt like it must had to act because this was such and unusual incident, but I agree that their job is to regulate how student athletes and programs operate within a university. They are not the cops or district attorney.

But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

And if it had happened at a DII school the NCAA would have done nothing because nobody would have known about it. Just take a look at the sanctions against Montana for multiple cover-ups by campus police for the football team......oh wait, there aren't any because that's not a national case and nobody outside of Missoula cares about Montana football.

Instead the NCAA, under the incompetent Mark Emmert, let public opinion determine the course of the NCAA rather than allowing the criminal justice and civil court systems to handle the problem. By taking action in this case while standing by and doing nothing in others the NCAA just produced yet another example of the random nature of their enforcement arm.

The Montana case is still being investigated. I guess to you covering up of child molestation is something that should just be let go because who cares FOOTBALL!

So the NCAA can conduct a thorough investigation of Penn State in seven months, complete with penalties, but can't do the same to Montana in over a year's time? The DOJ has already completed it's investigation of Montana. Of course the DOJ doesn't have to worry about paying witnesses, lie to witnesses about previous testimony, and other unethical means in their investigation like the NCAA.

The child molestation was being taken care of by the criminal justice system, as it should have been handled. The NCAA only got involved because of a whole bunch of hand wringing in the media about how "somebody should do something" so the NCAA did. And as ineptly as usual.

Quote:This is also quite funny because it usually goes that the little guy gets hammered while the big guys get away with a slap on the wrist. Boise got hit with sanctions for buying a kid a hamburger at Mickey D's and let them sleep on someones couch while Miami, UNC, Oregon, Auburn and all the other big boys get "probation".

Yeah look at all the little guys running the NCAA!!!! Hahaha

Nothing funny about it, and it shows the subjective nature of the NCAA enforcement arm.

Had the Penn State case happened within the basketball program of a DIII school in some Iowa backwater town the NCAA never would have taken action, primarily because it would not have got the NCAA the PR boost it desired. The flip side of that is the same backwater DIII program can expect to get hammered on other violations because in the big picture it doesn't cost the NCAA anything to hammer these lower division programs,and it helps the NCAA when they point at how effective they are at policing their ranks.

I honestly would not be surprised if Florida and Urban Meyer are investigated by the NCAA as a result of the current Hernandez murder allegations. Nevermind the fact that the 31 arrests making the news today were common knowledge back in 2010 when Meyer was still at Florida. It's all about the PR.

They didn't need to investigate because PSU investigated themselves and it was run by the former FBI head. An unbiased report means they didn't have to do their own investigation when PSU accepted the report as the truth.

(07-08-2013 04:52 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  But they violated the by-laws of ethics and integrity.

And if it had happened at a DII school the NCAA would have done nothing because nobody would have known about it. Just take a look at the sanctions against Montana for multiple cover-ups by campus police for the football team......oh wait, there aren't any because that's not a national case and nobody outside of Missoula cares about Montana football.

Instead the NCAA, under the incompetent Mark Emmert, let public opinion determine the course of the NCAA rather than allowing the criminal justice and civil court systems to handle the problem. By taking action in this case while standing by and doing nothing in others the NCAA just produced yet another example of the random nature of their enforcement arm.

The Montana case is still being investigated. I guess to you covering up of child molestation is something that should just be let go because who cares FOOTBALL!

So the NCAA can conduct a thorough investigation of Penn State in seven months, complete with penalties, but can't do the same to Montana in over a year's time? The DOJ has already completed it's investigation of Montana. Of course the DOJ doesn't have to worry about paying witnesses, lie to witnesses about previous testimony, and other unethical means in their investigation like the NCAA.

The child molestation was being taken care of by the criminal justice system, as it should have been handled. The NCAA only got involved because of a whole bunch of hand wringing in the media about how "somebody should do something" so the NCAA did. And as ineptly as usual.

Quote:This is also quite funny because it usually goes that the little guy gets hammered while the big guys get away with a slap on the wrist. Boise got hit with sanctions for buying a kid a hamburger at Mickey D's and let them sleep on someones couch while Miami, UNC, Oregon, Auburn and all the other big boys get "probation".

Yeah look at all the little guys running the NCAA!!!! Hahaha

Nothing funny about it, and it shows the subjective nature of the NCAA enforcement arm.

Had the Penn State case happened within the basketball program of a DIII school in some Iowa backwater town the NCAA never would have taken action, primarily because it would not have got the NCAA the PR boost it desired. The flip side of that is the same backwater DIII program can expect to get hammered on other violations because in the big picture it doesn't cost the NCAA anything to hammer these lower division programs,and it helps the NCAA when they point at how effective they are at policing their ranks.

I honestly would not be surprised if Florida and Urban Meyer are investigated by the NCAA as a result of the current Hernandez murder allegations. Nevermind the fact that the 31 arrests making the news today were common knowledge back in 2010 when Meyer was still at Florida. It's all about the PR.

They didn't need to investigate because PSU investigated themselves and it was run by the former FBI head. An unbiased report means they didn't have to do their own investigation when PSU accepted the report as the truth.

Yes, the NCAA needed to do it's own investigation because anybody who knows anything about investigations knows you do not rely on anybody else's work unless you want to open yourself up to criticism and possible liability. If the report was commissioned by Penn State for Penn State then it can hardly be considered "unbiased" no matter who did the investigation, other than Jesus Christ himself.

(07-08-2013 04:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:52 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  And if it had happened at a DII school the NCAA would have done nothing because nobody would have known about it. Just take a look at the sanctions against Montana for multiple cover-ups by campus police for the football team......oh wait, there aren't any because that's not a national case and nobody outside of Missoula cares about Montana football.

Instead the NCAA, under the incompetent Mark Emmert, let public opinion determine the course of the NCAA rather than allowing the criminal justice and civil court systems to handle the problem. By taking action in this case while standing by and doing nothing in others the NCAA just produced yet another example of the random nature of their enforcement arm.

The Montana case is still being investigated. I guess to you covering up of child molestation is something that should just be let go because who cares FOOTBALL!

So the NCAA can conduct a thorough investigation of Penn State in seven months, complete with penalties, but can't do the same to Montana in over a year's time? The DOJ has already completed it's investigation of Montana. Of course the DOJ doesn't have to worry about paying witnesses, lie to witnesses about previous testimony, and other unethical means in their investigation like the NCAA.

The child molestation was being taken care of by the criminal justice system, as it should have been handled. The NCAA only got involved because of a whole bunch of hand wringing in the media about how "somebody should do something" so the NCAA did. And as ineptly as usual.

Quote:This is also quite funny because it usually goes that the little guy gets hammered while the big guys get away with a slap on the wrist. Boise got hit with sanctions for buying a kid a hamburger at Mickey D's and let them sleep on someones couch while Miami, UNC, Oregon, Auburn and all the other big boys get "probation".

Yeah look at all the little guys running the NCAA!!!! Hahaha

Nothing funny about it, and it shows the subjective nature of the NCAA enforcement arm.

Had the Penn State case happened within the basketball program of a DIII school in some Iowa backwater town the NCAA never would have taken action, primarily because it would not have got the NCAA the PR boost it desired. The flip side of that is the same backwater DIII program can expect to get hammered on other violations because in the big picture it doesn't cost the NCAA anything to hammer these lower division programs,and it helps the NCAA when they point at how effective they are at policing their ranks.

I honestly would not be surprised if Florida and Urban Meyer are investigated by the NCAA as a result of the current Hernandez murder allegations. Nevermind the fact that the 31 arrests making the news today were common knowledge back in 2010 when Meyer was still at Florida. It's all about the PR.

They didn't need to investigate because PSU investigated themselves and it was run by the former FBI head. An unbiased report means they didn't have to do their own investigation when PSU accepted the report as the truth.

Yes, the NCAA needed to do it's own investigation because anybody who knows anything about investigations knows you do not rely on anybody else's work unless you want to open yourself up to criticism and possible liability. If the report was commissioned by Penn State for Penn State then it can hardly be considered "unbiased" no matter who did the investigation, other than Jesus Christ himself.

Oh god, just stop. Seriously, you are defending those who covered up child molestation.

Oh and the head of the investigation kept the NCAA in the loop the whole time.

(07-08-2013 05:05 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:52 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 04:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The Montana case is still being investigated. I guess to you covering up of child molestation is something that should just be let go because who cares FOOTBALL!

So the NCAA can conduct a thorough investigation of Penn State in seven months, complete with penalties, but can't do the same to Montana in over a year's time? The DOJ has already completed it's investigation of Montana. Of course the DOJ doesn't have to worry about paying witnesses, lie to witnesses about previous testimony, and other unethical means in their investigation like the NCAA.

The child molestation was being taken care of by the criminal justice system, as it should have been handled. The NCAA only got involved because of a whole bunch of hand wringing in the media about how "somebody should do something" so the NCAA did. And as ineptly as usual.

Quote:This is also quite funny because it usually goes that the little guy gets hammered while the big guys get away with a slap on the wrist. Boise got hit with sanctions for buying a kid a hamburger at Mickey D's and let them sleep on someones couch while Miami, UNC, Oregon, Auburn and all the other big boys get "probation".

Yeah look at all the little guys running the NCAA!!!! Hahaha

Nothing funny about it, and it shows the subjective nature of the NCAA enforcement arm.

Had the Penn State case happened within the basketball program of a DIII school in some Iowa backwater town the NCAA never would have taken action, primarily because it would not have got the NCAA the PR boost it desired. The flip side of that is the same backwater DIII program can expect to get hammered on other violations because in the big picture it doesn't cost the NCAA anything to hammer these lower division programs,and it helps the NCAA when they point at how effective they are at policing their ranks.

I honestly would not be surprised if Florida and Urban Meyer are investigated by the NCAA as a result of the current Hernandez murder allegations. Nevermind the fact that the 31 arrests making the news today were common knowledge back in 2010 when Meyer was still at Florida. It's all about the PR.

They didn't need to investigate because PSU investigated themselves and it was run by the former FBI head. An unbiased report means they didn't have to do their own investigation when PSU accepted the report as the truth.

Yes, the NCAA needed to do it's own investigation because anybody who knows anything about investigations knows you do not rely on anybody else's work unless you want to open yourself up to criticism and possible liability. If the report was commissioned by Penn State for Penn State then it can hardly be considered "unbiased" no matter who did the investigation, other than Jesus Christ himself.

Oh god, just stop. Seriously, you are defending those who covered up child molestation.

Not once have I defended Penn State. My criticism is with the NCAA's subjective involvement and overstepping it's bounds of authority in what was solely a PR move.

Quote:Oh and the head of the investigation kept the NCAA in the loop the whole time.

Doesn't matter, you don't go to court with someone else's investigation.

(07-08-2013 05:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Not once have I defended Penn State. My criticism is with the NCAA's subjective involvement and overstepping it's bounds of authority in what was solely a PR move.

Doesn't matter, you don't go to court with someone else's investigation.

It's not a court of law, it's a private club. They had all the authority in the world to discipline a member who acted against and broke the clubs by-laws. THEY BROKE THE NCAA'S RULES ON ETHICS AND INTEGRITY.

(07-08-2013 05:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 05:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Not once have I defended Penn State. My criticism is with the NCAA's subjective involvement and overstepping it's bounds of authority in what was solely a PR move.

Doesn't matter, you don't go to court with someone else's investigation.

It's not a court of law, it's a private club. They had all the authority in the world to discipline a member who acted against and broke the clubs by-laws. THEY BROKE THE NCAA'S RULES ON ETHICS AND INTEGRITY.

Only if they conducted a full investigation. Again, relying on the work of someone else, which they have never done before in the case of any major allegations, is proof positive that the NCAA acted not in the manner intended, but solely as a PR move because of the hand wringing in the media.

Again, had this same situation happened at a lower division program the NCAA would not have acted, and I highly doubt that Montana gets even a fraction of the level of punishment that Penn State got.


Also, the NCAA enforcement arm is hardly anyone to judge anyone's "Ethics and integrity".

(07-08-2013 06:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 05:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 05:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Not once have I defended Penn State. My criticism is with the NCAA's subjective involvement and overstepping it's bounds of authority in what was solely a PR move.

Doesn't matter, you don't go to court with someone else's investigation.

It's not a court of law, it's a private club. They had all the authority in the world to discipline a member who acted against and broke the clubs by-laws. THEY BROKE THE NCAA'S RULES ON ETHICS AND INTEGRITY.

Only if they conducted a full investigation. Again, relying on the work of someone else, which they have never done before in the case of any major allegations, is proof positive that the NCAA acted not in the manner intended, but solely as a PR move because of the hand wringing in the media.

Again, had this same situation happened at a lower division program the NCAA would not have acted, and I highly doubt that Montana gets even a fraction of the level of punishment that Penn State got.


Also, the NCAA enforcement arm is hardly anyone to judge anyone's "Ethics and integrity".

Okay whatever you say. By the way I have this bridge for sale if you are interested.

I'm glad you have an issue with a school being punished for covering child molestation to protect a FB program who clearly ran the school.

Oh and im also glad to see you are questioning the integrity of the former head of the FBI while then saying that the NCAA has no right to question the integrity of Penn St. Good job.