(07-08-2013 09:03 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:10 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:03 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Again, Big East Tourney ---> MSG ---> thru 2026. That has been repeated by PC's AD Bob Driscoll and others.

ESPN ---> only sports outlet saying ACC to MSG ---> no one else saying this.

Keep saying it all you want...MSG isn't stupid to be tied down to a league with limited national appeal. If the ACC goes all in...bye bye to the BE.

Maybe, but wake me up when the NC-centric ACC basketball culture ever abandons North Carolina sites for its tournament on a permanent basis. Ain't happening.

1...it really doesn't matter to me, I am looking forward to the tradition of Greensboro, that being said they have to see if it is possible.

2...I don't think it about leaving NC on a perminent basis but in a rotation...my $$$ is on the BIG EAST keeping MSG and the ACC having the ACC Tourney most years in Greensboro while rotating it between DC, Atlanta, Charlotte & maybe the Barclay Center in Brooklyn.

Yes, a rotation makes sense. Most years somewhere in NC but once every 3-4 years or so in Atlanta or Barclays. With Maryland gone, I don't see why they'd have it in DC anymore, though.

(07-08-2013 09:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 09:03 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:10 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:03 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Again, Big East Tourney ---> MSG ---> thru 2026. That has been repeated by PC's AD Bob Driscoll and others.

ESPN ---> only sports outlet saying ACC to MSG ---> no one else saying this.

Keep saying it all you want...MSG isn't stupid to be tied down to a league with limited national appeal. If the ACC goes all in...bye bye to the BE.

Maybe, but wake me up when the NC-centric ACC basketball culture ever abandons North Carolina sites for its tournament on a permanent basis. Ain't happening.

1...it really doesn't matter to me, I am looking forward to the tradition of Greensboro, that being said they have to see if it is possible.

2...I don't think it about leaving NC on a perminent basis but in a rotation...my $$$ is on the BIG EAST keeping MSG and the ACC having the ACC Tourney most years in Greensboro while rotating it between DC, Atlanta, Charlotte & maybe the Barclay Center in Brooklyn.

Yes, a rotation makes sense. Most years somewhere in NC but once every 3-4 years or so in Atlanta or Barclays. With Maryland gone, I don't see why they'd have it in DC anymore, though.

Well, you still have Virginia & Virginia Tech-(Tech has played Home games @ Fed Ex Field) plus it not like ACC Games will not be seen in DC...plus it is Centrally Located...accessible Airports & plenty of hotel space...also it is right in the middle of the North/South divide of the current/future ACC...

(07-08-2013 05:53 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Oh and Duke is not the favorite college team. Just like FB it varies because of the diversity of it's inhabitants.

Neither the city's favorite college football team nor its favorite college basketball team "varies". It has consistently been Notre Dame for the former since the 30s and 40s and Duke for the latter since the Johnnies started to fall from grace in the 90s.

As an SU fan, it gives me no pleasure to say the latter. But it is what it is.

Cheers,
Neil

Why do you continuously say Duke is NYC's favorite team? That's just so ridiculous. The last time Duke played St Johns at MSG the crowd was overwhelmingly pro St Johns. I was there. That was three years ago when both teams were good, and when all these so called NYC Duke fans were getting one of only a couple of chances to see Duke play in NYC that season. The Duke fans in NYC are comprised primarily of Duke alums, just as the Syracuse fans are comprised primarily of Syracuse alums.

And on a separate note, did anyone read the recap in the NYC papers of the ACC "Big Event" on July 1? Didn't think so. You know why? There wasn't one thing written about it. Not even a two sentence blurb. It was a total non event in NYC and received zero media coverage. Just because a few fuzzy mascots ran around New York taking pictures with kids, hardly will translate into New Yorkers tuning in to watch a Wake Forest/Virginia football game next fall. It's not that people dislike the ACC, it's that people simply don't care about them. That's why the daily papers, that have a nine and ten page sports section, totally ignored the ACC "Big Event". It was complete non news around here. I hope Swofford went to a good restaurant and caught a Broadway show to make his trip to NYC worthwhile.

But some of you ACC people need to get a grip. Interest in the ACC is limited mainly to your own immediate geographic area, as is the case with most conferences. The rest of the country is not on the edge of our seats wondering, or caring, what the ACC will do next.

Like wise for the New Big East. No one outside the NBE conference cares so what !

(07-08-2013 05:49 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:45 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:36 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:23 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Hail Mark!

The new Big East is a fine league. They have many recognizable bb programs in Georgetown, Nova, St. John's and Marquette and the additions of Xavier and Creighton and perhaps even Butler if their new coach works out can be a very good league.

As for Billy Jack's contention that no one else is saying this, well there have been articles about the ACC exploring options with MSG and Barclays in both the NY Times and the New York Post even after the current Big East/MSG contract was signed. Let them think it's only ESPN if that makes them feel better.

New Big East fans are correct about one thing, unless the ACC is willing to make a long term commitment to MSG of some sort, then MSG will continue to say no.

It's all unknown at this point in time. We don't know how well the new Big East will perform at MSG. We don't know how well the ACC Network bb games via Raycom will do on MSG. Etc.

Time will tell.

Cheers,
Neil

Whatever you guys need to tell yourselves...

Why is MSG talking to the ACC then? A lotta smoke.

Show me anywhere thats not ESPN that says they are talking to the ACC? You know right there they would be in breach of the contract they JUST SIGNED IN MARCH!!! You guys seem to forget that. They signed with the Big East 4 months ago. Now they want to break the contract, get sued all to sign the ACC? Yeah, that sounds plausible. hahahaha

EDIT!

Here we go, it's ESPN, a SI writer who is a Cuse alum writing an editorial about how the ACC SHOULD play at MSG and a bunch of ACC blogs. All of this from May 16th.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safa...8&oe=UTF-8

I think it's funny that your link actually goes to a google search that show articles out there after March discussing this very topic that it's more than simply ESPN.

Not saying that the concerns you talk about in regard to the topic aren't valid basically with the BE/MSG contract in place and that the ACC still doesn't appear to be willing to guarantee an annual tourney at MSG, only an alternating one at best.

But it is interesting that in several of these articles, Swofford is aware of the "legal" issues involved and seems to think there is still the possibility of this happening.

Again, my main point here is that this isn't simply ESPN. I'm not saying whether or not this will actually happen.

Cheers,
Neil

I cant shake my head and face palm hard enough. Did you miss the part where i said it's all from May 16th? So obviously it's after march, and like i said in my post it was ESPN, a SI writer who is a Cuse alum writing an editorial about how the ACC SHOULD play at MSG and a bunch of ACC blogs. That isn't even close to more than ESPN talking about it.

Swofford can say whatever he pleases, but he is not the voice of god. We should know, we're 90% catholic.

(07-08-2013 05:53 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Oh and Duke is not the favorite college team. Just like FB it varies because of the diversity of it's inhabitants.

Neither the city's favorite college football team nor its favorite college basketball team "varies". It has consistently been Notre Dame for the former since the 30s and 40s and Duke for the latter since the Johnnies started to fall from grace in the 90s.

As an SU fan, it gives me no pleasure to say the latter. But it is what it is.

Cheers,
Neil

Thats not even close to the truth. I've lived in NYC for the last 14 years, and thats not true at all.

Notre Dame fans are mostly baby boomers and older. Once kids could watch more than just Notre Dame on saturdays that killed the large ND fan base. Also the amount of kids who come from all over the country who went to every school you can think of constantly flood into the city.

Also the idea that Duke is NYC's team is laughable. The black community does not look at that rich white school as their own. Just like FB the fan bases are as diverse as the people in the city. Unlike most cities there isn't a strong connection to 1 school or conference because the amount of people who went to different schools.

Kind of hard to do with that many millions of people in one city.

(07-08-2013 10:40 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Like wise for the New Big East. No one outside the NBE conference cares so what !

Sure, but the Big East isn't claiming to be the most popular league in North Carolina or Atlanta. ACC fans are now making the claim that Duke is NYC's team.

(07-08-2013 12:31 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 10:40 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Like wise for the New Big East. No one outside the NBE conference cares so what !

Sure, but the Big East isn't claiming to be the most popular league in North Carolina or Atlanta. ACC fans are now making the claim that Duke is NYC's team.

I know right? A small private school for rich white kids in North Carolina is now NYC's team? Not in Brooklyn! haha

(07-08-2013 09:49 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 09:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 09:03 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:10 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Keep saying it all you want...MSG isn't stupid to be tied down to a league with limited national appeal. If the ACC goes all in...bye bye to the BE.

Maybe, but wake me up when the NC-centric ACC basketball culture ever abandons North Carolina sites for its tournament on a permanent basis. Ain't happening.

1...it really doesn't matter to me, I am looking forward to the tradition of Greensboro, that being said they have to see if it is possible.

2...I don't think it about leaving NC on a perminent basis but in a rotation...my $$$ is on the BIG EAST keeping MSG and the ACC having the ACC Tourney most years in Greensboro while rotating it between DC, Atlanta, Charlotte & maybe the Barclay Center in Brooklyn.

Yes, a rotation makes sense. Most years somewhere in NC but once every 3-4 years or so in Atlanta or Barclays. With Maryland gone, I don't see why they'd have it in DC anymore, though.

Well, you still have Virginia & Virginia Tech-(Tech has played Home games @ Fed Ex Field) plus it not like ACC Games will not be seen in DC...plus it is Centrally Located...accessible Airports & plenty of hotel space...also it is right in the middle of the North/South divide of the current/future ACC...

DC would do well as a host site. It is located 6 hours from the heart of NC and NY. Louisville fans can get there pretty easily too. Cuse fans pack Georgetown's Arena...so much so they enacted measures to discourage Cuse fans from buying tickets.

(07-08-2013 11:12 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 05:53 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Oh and Duke is not the favorite college team. Just like FB it varies because of the diversity of it's inhabitants.

Neither the city's favorite college football team nor its favorite college basketball team "varies". It has consistently been Notre Dame for the former since the 30s and 40s and Duke for the latter since the Johnnies started to fall from grace in the 90s.

As an SU fan, it gives me no pleasure to say the latter. But it is what it is.

Cheers,
Neil

Thats not even close to the truth. I've lived in NYC for the last 14 years, and thats not true at all.

Notre Dame fans are mostly baby boomers and older. Once kids could watch more than just Notre Dame on saturdays that killed the large ND fan base. Also the amount of kids who come from all over the country who went to every school you can think of constantly flood into the city.

Also the idea that Duke is NYC's team is laughable. The black community does not look at that rich white school as their own. Just like FB the fan bases are as diverse as the people in the city. Unlike most cities there isn't a strong connection to 1 school or conference because the amount of people who went to different schools.

I have to tell all of my children, nephews, nieces, grand nephews and second/third cousins about this news....

I guess that those high television ratings for ND on ABC and NBC last year were all generated from nursing home satellite dishes.....



http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...e-dame-usc

http://www.sbnation.com/2012/12/11/37546...notre-dame

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/10/...ng-on-nbc/

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...of-season/

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-arti...urday.html


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(07-07-2013 11:10 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:03 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Again, Big East Tourney ---> MSG ---> thru 2026. That has been repeated by PC's AD Bob Driscoll and others.

ESPN ---> only sports outlet saying ACC to MSG ---> no one else saying this.

Keep saying it all you want...MSG isn't stupid to be tied down to a league with limited national appeal. If the ACC goes all in...bye bye to the BE.

There is an old saying that when elephants fight it is the grass that gets trampled.

The Big 10 and ACC fighting could cause damage to the Big East. It is one reason why I think they should take the best athletic programs (especially basketball) regardless of public or private. Otherwise they risk becoming the ECC and being forgotten.

(07-08-2013 06:56 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 05:53 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Oh and Duke is not the favorite college team. Just like FB it varies because of the diversity of it's inhabitants.

Neither the city's favorite college football team nor its favorite college basketball team "varies". It has consistently been Notre Dame for the former since the 30s and 40s and Duke for the latter since the Johnnies started to fall from grace in the 90s.

As an SU fan, it gives me no pleasure to say the latter. But it is what it is.

Cheers,
Neil

Manhattan, Queens, the Bronx, Brooklyn and Long Island are ND "towns" for football and Duke basketball. Staten Island and Newark - more difficult to figure out

Do you have ratings to back that up? It should be pretty simple to verify.

(07-08-2013 09:03 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:10 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:03 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Again, Big East Tourney ---> MSG ---> thru 2026. That has been repeated by PC's AD Bob Driscoll and others.

ESPN ---> only sports outlet saying ACC to MSG ---> no one else saying this.

Keep saying it all you want...MSG isn't stupid to be tied down to a league with limited national appeal. If the ACC goes all in...bye bye to the BE.

Maybe, but wake me up when the NC-centric ACC basketball culture ever abandons North Carolina sites for its tournament on a permanent basis. Ain't happening.

1...it really doesn't matter to me, I am looking forward to the tradition of Greensboro, that being said they have to see if it is possible.

2...I don't think it about leaving NC on a perminent basis but in a rotation...my $$$ is on the BIG EAST keeping MSG and the ACC having the ACC Tourney most years in Greensboro while rotating it between DC, Atlanta, Charlotte & maybe the Barclay Center in Brooklyn.

Unless the ACC and Big 10 go to the MSG folks and offer to alternate between them. I suspect having the ACC one year and the Big 10 the next would be pretty enticing.

Again the elephant thing......

(07-08-2013 01:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 11:12 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 05:53 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Oh and Duke is not the favorite college team. Just like FB it varies because of the diversity of it's inhabitants.

Neither the city's favorite college football team nor its favorite college basketball team "varies". It has consistently been Notre Dame for the former since the 30s and 40s and Duke for the latter since the Johnnies started to fall from grace in the 90s.

As an SU fan, it gives me no pleasure to say the latter. But it is what it is.

Cheers,
Neil

Thats not even close to the truth. I've lived in NYC for the last 14 years, and thats not true at all.

Notre Dame fans are mostly baby boomers and older. Once kids could watch more than just Notre Dame on saturdays that killed the large ND fan base. Also the amount of kids who come from all over the country who went to every school you can think of constantly flood into the city.

Also the idea that Duke is NYC's team is laughable. The black community does not look at that rich white school as their own. Just like FB the fan bases are as diverse as the people in the city. Unlike most cities there isn't a strong connection to 1 school or conference because the amount of people who went to different schools.

I have to tell all of my children, nephews, nieces, grand nephews and second/third cousins about this news....

I guess that those high television ratings for ND on ABC and NBC last year were all generated from nursing home satellite dishes.....



http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...e-dame-usc

http://www.sbnation.com/2012/12/11/37546...notre-dame

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/10/...ng-on-nbc/

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...of-season/

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-arti...urday.html


.

Do they live in NYC? I do and there is not some huge ND fan base here. Do people turn the game on? Sure. Are they die hard fans? Nope. Yes, there are ND fans in the city just like every other school. Are they the overwhelming favorite? Nope. Do some kids who are Irish and either never went to college or went to a small non-FB school root for the Irish? yeah sure. Is it the level it used to be? Not even close.

You can post links to chicago papers and sites but South Bend is a LOT closer to Chicago than it is to NYC.

(07-08-2013 01:39 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 01:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 11:12 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 05:53 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Oh and Duke is not the favorite college team. Just like FB it varies because of the diversity of it's inhabitants.

Neither the city's favorite college football team nor its favorite college basketball team "varies". It has consistently been Notre Dame for the former since the 30s and 40s and Duke for the latter since the Johnnies started to fall from grace in the 90s.

As an SU fan, it gives me no pleasure to say the latter. But it is what it is.

Cheers,
Neil

Thats not even close to the truth. I've lived in NYC for the last 14 years, and thats not true at all.

Notre Dame fans are mostly baby boomers and older. Once kids could watch more than just Notre Dame on saturdays that killed the large ND fan base. Also the amount of kids who come from all over the country who went to every school you can think of constantly flood into the city.

Also the idea that Duke is NYC's team is laughable. The black community does not look at that rich white school as their own. Just like FB the fan bases are as diverse as the people in the city. Unlike most cities there isn't a strong connection to 1 school or conference because the amount of people who went to different schools.

I have to tell all of my children, nephews, nieces, grand nephews and second/third cousins about this news....

I guess that those high television ratings for ND on ABC and NBC last year were all generated from nursing home satellite dishes.....



http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...e-dame-usc

http://www.sbnation.com/2012/12/11/37546...notre-dame

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/10/...ng-on-nbc/

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...of-season/

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-arti...urday.html


.

Do they live in NYC? I do and there is not some huge ND fan base here. Do people turn the game on? Sure. Are they die hard fans? Nope. Yes, there are ND fans in the city just like every other school. Are they the overwhelming favorite? Nope. Do some kids who are Irish and either never went to college or went to a small non-FB school root for the Irish? yeah sure. Is it the level it used to be? Not even close.

You can post links to chicago papers and sites but South Bend is a LOT closer to Chicago than it is to NYC.

EDIT: Those are all rating from ND's best season in a LOOONG time. How about the rating when they were 6-6/7-5 and going to the Hawaii bowl? Fans and casual fans tend to watch highly ranked teams if their own team isn't playing.

(07-08-2013 01:19 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:10 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:03 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Again, Big East Tourney ---> MSG ---> thru 2026. That has been repeated by PC's AD Bob Driscoll and others.

ESPN ---> only sports outlet saying ACC to MSG ---> no one else saying this.

Keep saying it all you want...MSG isn't stupid... blah blah blah...

There is an old saying that when elephants fight it is the grass that gets trampled.

The Big 10 and ACC fighting could cause damage to the Big East. Otherwise they risk becoming the ECC and being forgotten.

I don't see how the elephant story applies to the Big East being damaged, or any risk of being forgotten.

(07-08-2013 02:34 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(07-08-2013 01:19 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:10 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 11:03 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Again, Big East Tourney ---> MSG ---> thru 2026. That has been repeated by PC's AD Bob Driscoll and others.

ESPN ---> only sports outlet saying ACC to MSG ---> no one else saying this.

Keep saying it all you want...MSG isn't stupid... blah blah blah...

There is an old saying that when elephants fight it is the grass that gets trampled.

The Big 10 and ACC fighting could cause damage to the Big East. Otherwise they risk becoming the ECC and being forgotten.

I don't see how the elephant story applies to the Big East being damaged, or any risk of being forgotten.

Exactly, they both want what we have and thats a real presence in NYC. The B1G has a better chance of getting one with Rutgers and a larger alum base in the city. I know a ton of B1G alum and not very many ACC alum.

(07-07-2013 09:33 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 09:23 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  This whole deal is 100 percent cray-cray on nearly every conceivable level. I'm beginning to think that the people orchestrating this sheer idiocy are masterminds in the same way Kim Jong-Il was a military mastermind.

It is positively breathtaking that so many otherwise intelligent people can't ever seem to wrap their heads around this particular issue. Seriously, the arrogance is amazing to the point of it being semi-impressive.

Do you know which league is going to most turn on the denizens of New York City and its metropolitan area?

The NFL.

Then, in order, MLB, the NBA and the NHL.

Then...well, that right there's the rub. There is no fifth option - at least not on anything approaching the level any of these numb skulls are dreaming up.

New York didn't reject Big East football, it rejected college football as a whole. In October, they would much rather talk about Donny Baseball than Johnny Football. That is never going to change regardless of how many banners they hang up inside Yankee Stadium.

That is basically the same problem that all college programs have in pro-centric markets; they are looked at as derivative products and "lesser than" the "real thing."

People say, "Ooo, this weekend is the big LSU/Alabama game." Every one of us recognizes that is as good as it gets in college football. Well, their response to that is likely along the lines of, "That's cool. The very best players on those two teams might one day play in a Giants/Cowboys game."

How does any college league defeat that mentality? Seriously, if anyone can answer that question you will stand to become a very wealthy man because nobody else has ever figured out quite how to deal with that.

Almost nobody in New York City gives a flying $#%* about Rutgers football whether they are playing South Florida or Michigan. Now, fans of the Scarlet Knights will certainly care more about their playing the Wolverines than they did the Bulls. However, that is a very small number of people on a relative scale.

Now, apply those same principles to Syracuse or Connecticut or whomever else you want.

This whole thing is just incredibly foolish.

It's not about displacing the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL. So I just don't understand your condescending lecture/rant at all. Should the BiG not "claim" Chicago since the Bears, Cubs, Bulls, and Blackhawks are more popular than any of their programs?

We all know that in any major metro city in the North and in the West where pro franchises exist college athletics are going to be the next level down.

Maybe Pittsburgh should just give up and forget about major college athletics since the Steelers, Pirates, and Penguins way outdistance the Panthers?

Cheers,
Neil

It wasn't at all my intention to come off as condescending. I am just trying to point out the ridiculouslness of this pursuit. I think asking which college athletic league will "own the NYC market" is a bit like asking Alabamans "which NHL team will eventually own Alabama?"

The honest answer is none of the above.

The point was/is nothing the Big Ten does is going to make New York City a "Big Ten Town" and the same is true of the ACC, the American or any other college league.

It's absolutely understandable for all of these college leagues to try to gain more viewers in NYC than they currently have. However, what is being talked about is a LOT more ambitious that that more modest pursuit and frankly, I think it's insanely unrealistic.

How does the B1G make NYC a "Big Ten Town?" That's simple, all they have to do is have Rutgers blossom into a major power and sustain that status to the point where the Scarlet Knights win the Big Ten and national championships on a regular basis. If that happens, NYC may embrace college football more than it ever has. I just don't see that happening.

(07-08-2013 02:59 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 09:33 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 09:23 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  This whole deal is 100 percent cray-cray on nearly every conceivable level. I'm beginning to think that the people orchestrating this sheer idiocy are masterminds in the same way Kim Jong-Il was a military mastermind.

It is positively breathtaking that so many otherwise intelligent people can't ever seem to wrap their heads around this particular issue. Seriously, the arrogance is amazing to the point of it being semi-impressive.

Do you know which league is going to most turn on the denizens of New York City and its metropolitan area?

The NFL.

Then, in order, MLB, the NBA and the NHL.

Then...well, that right there's the rub. There is no fifth option - at least not on anything approaching the level any of these numb skulls are dreaming up.

New York didn't reject Big East football, it rejected college football as a whole. In October, they would much rather talk about Donny Baseball than Johnny Football. That is never going to change regardless of how many banners they hang up inside Yankee Stadium.

That is basically the same problem that all college programs have in pro-centric markets; they are looked at as derivative products and "lesser than" the "real thing."

People say, "Ooo, this weekend is the big LSU/Alabama game." Every one of us recognizes that is as good as it gets in college football. Well, their response to that is likely along the lines of, "That's cool. The very best players on those two teams might one day play in a Giants/Cowboys game."

How does any college league defeat that mentality? Seriously, if anyone can answer that question you will stand to become a very wealthy man because nobody else has ever figured out quite how to deal with that.

Almost nobody in New York City gives a flying $#%* about Rutgers football whether they are playing South Florida or Michigan. Now, fans of the Scarlet Knights will certainly care more about their playing the Wolverines than they did the Bulls. However, that is a very small number of people on a relative scale.

Now, apply those same principles to Syracuse or Connecticut or whomever else you want.

This whole thing is just incredibly foolish.

It's not about displacing the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL. So I just don't understand your condescending lecture/rant at all. Should the BiG not "claim" Chicago since the Bears, Cubs, Bulls, and Blackhawks are more popular than any of their programs?

We all know that in any major metro city in the North and in the West where pro franchises exist college athletics are going to be the next level down.

Maybe Pittsburgh should just give up and forget about major college athletics since the Steelers, Pirates, and Penguins way outdistance the Panthers?

Cheers,
Neil

It wasn't at all my intention to come off as condescending. I am just trying to point out the ridiculouslness of this pursuit. I think asking which college athletic league will "own the NYC market" is a bit like asking Alabamans "which NHL team will eventually own Alabama?"

The honest answer is none of the above.

The point was/is nothing the Big Ten does is going to make New York City a "Big Ten Town" and the same is true of the ACC, the American or any other college league.

It's absolutely understandable for all of these college leagues to try to gain more viewers in NYC than they currently have. However, what is being talked about is a LOT more ambitious that that more modest pursuit and frankly, I think it's insanely unrealistic.

How does the B1G make NYC a "Big Ten Town?" That's simple, all they have to do is have Rutgers blossom into a major power and sustain that status to the point where the Scarlet Knights win the Big Ten and national championships on a regular basis. If that happens, NYC may embrace college football more than it ever has. I just don't see that happening.

Well seeing as you don't think very highly of Rutgers to begin with thats understandable. Though that isn't a realistic outlook.

Rutgers fan base has been growing steadily over the last decade. If you went back to 2003 and said Rutgers will build a new stadium, average 47K attendance, get an invite to the B1G and go to 6 bowls in 7 years people would laugh. The fan base and the casual NJ fan are growing and will be quite the sizable group in the next decade. The block R is a very common sight around the tri-state area now a days. Something inconceivable a decade ago.