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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
We've all talked about it before...

If taking Oklahoma and Oklahoma State together creates enough leverage then that's more than worth it.

I'd even be for taking Kansas in that scenario. Perhaps that would give UT a little extra leverage to say "we can't take Texas Tech with us...they don't have enough spots."
12-30-2017 01:02 PM
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(12-30-2017 01:02 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  We've all talked about it before...

If taking Oklahoma and Oklahoma State together creates enough leverage then that's more than worth it.

I'd even be for taking Kansas in that scenario. Perhaps that would give UT a little extra leverage to say "we can't take Texas Tech with us...they don't have enough spots."

We need a P4. It's time to do it. Take those two. And then see if it shakes loose anyone else we want. I'm sure the networks would help with the placement.

It might make Texas go indy, or it might make the Big 10 take UT and Kansas. If the big 3 are gone it's over anyway. The rest will scatter.
01-10-2018 02:29 AM
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
There is no telling what those crazy Texans will do, but the possibilities abound.

PAC adds BYU for football only (13)
ACC adds Texas and TCU (yes this is still talked about in several circles) I do believe that Notre Dame not join the ACC as a full member until the end of the contract or such time they are forced to join by not being a conference member.
B1G adds Missouri and Kansas
SEC adds Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech
01-10-2018 08:30 AM
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(01-10-2018 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  There is no telling what those crazy Texans will do, but the possibilities abound.

PAC adds BYU for football only (13)
ACC adds Texas and TCU (yes this is still talked about in several circles) I do believe that Notre Dame not join the ACC as a full member until the end of the contract or such time they are forced to join by not being a conference member.
B1G adds Missouri and Kansas
SEC adds Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech

I could see the ACC add T.C.U. and West Virginia for full members and add Texas as a partial.

The PAC won't add anyone, certainly not B.Y.U., not even for football only.

The B1G might well add Kansas, and then choose between Connecticut and Iowa State.

The SEC adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.

If we only add two that will likely be the two.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
This discussion might shed some lite on possibilities discussed in this thread:

http://www.csnbbs.com/thread-840807.html
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
Well ESPN is picking up the Big 12's T3 by virtue of their purchase from FOX, not to mention their RSN's. It's too bad FOX couldn't go ahead and sell ESPN FS1 & FS2 but they were skirting the possibility the deal wouldn't go through due to monopolistic issues concerning one network buying out another. The government is touchy when it comes to the broadcasting.

But if FOX sells out its college sports interests to Amazon it opens a new can of worms for the Mouse.

Does Disney really want to have to bid on Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas at auction? Or would they rather handle this matter in house. They now possess the Tier 3 rights necessary to with FOX's blessing to make a move on the whole Big 12 if they wanted to do so.

How would you place all 10 schools of the Big 12 so that dissolution of the conference could occur, all of them could receive equal T1/T2/& T3 revenues, and the LHN could go away?

Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and West Virginia could go to the SEC to create a conference of 20 that looked like this:

Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi State

Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia


Why would the SEC do this? A guaranteed payout of 55 million per school.

What about the others? Well the ACC could be included in the move to 20.

Baylor, Houston, Kansas State, Texas, T.C.U.

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse


Why would the ACC do this? A guaranteed payout of 50 million per school. Which is why Notre Dame would throw in. With the Big 12 gone there is nobody left that would give them a deal. What's more where else would they land 50 million for TV rights? And Texas and Notre Dame together deliver the Northeast and Southwest with their many eyeballs for the launch of the ACCN.

Why would ESPN do it? Because that gives them exclusivity over the largest market footprint (the ACC) and the most viewed (SEC) and the the strongest and wealthiest brands left up for realignment (Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas).

How much would it cost them? Between 708 and 738 million to pay both halves of the Big 12 contract, to up the 4 schools going to the ACC, to promote Houston to the big time, and to up the 6 schools going to the SEC, and to give the existing ACC and SEC members the bump.

So why would they do this? It's 8 of the top 10 grossing schools in the nation, 15 of the top 25, and with the AAC schools under contract that is literally every school South of Virginia to the Mississippi River and beyond into the Southwest. That gives ESPN 6 schools in Texas which can deliver a whopping number of the 32 million Texas who would be interested each week and it would give Texans an appetite for the SECN and ACCN. The LHN could be converted into a Spanish language studio for the SECN & ACCN.

And with anti monopoly issues ahead if they let go of their portion of the Big 10 and PAC contracts so that a competitor picked them up they could do this for between 183 million to 213 million more. And with ESPN looking to cut out some expensive pro coverage they might even be able to cover it all at no added expense.

But why would they do it? Exclusivity for Saturday football advertising throughout the Eastern Seaboard down to Miami and throughout the Southwest to Lubbock. Plus these schools deliver championships in Football, Baseball, Basketball (men's and women's), Softball and Gymnastics. That's a lot of stuff for the RSN's as well as the conference networks and ESPN & ESPN2 and ESPNU.

Furthermore by doing this early ESPN can work it all out without having to bid piecemeal, they can secure all of the key college brands, utilize existing conference networks with a much higher threshold for profit, and eliminate the overhead loss of the LHN. And the also increase the content value of both the SEC and ACC in the process.

Why would Texas do it? The get a division that has 3 other Texas schools and the familiar foe Kansas State. That's a division they can win. Plus the keep the RRR as a cross conference game and they don't lose money making this move. They can have an annual with Notre Dame. And scheduling difficulties with A&M can be worked out as well.

Why else would the ACC & SEC go for it? It locks down recruiting within their footprint. How? Each would play 10 conference games (4 division games, 5 games from a rotating division, and 2 OOC games between the two conferences per school). By playing all P games between the conference games and the OOC games with each other they keep competitors from being able to play in the region in a key venue until bowl season.

Texas and Oklahoma lose nothing. Kansas gains all of the hoops brands it could want. And the money between these three conferences levels the playing field for them.

Demographics are making college football a Southeast and Southwest game anyway. We might as well capitalize on it.
02-06-2018 02:31 AM
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
I doubt that ESPN would want or know what to do with FS1 & FS2.
The way I look at it, ESPN has a problem with the lack of inventory.
If they fully commit inventory to the SEC network and the ACC network, then there isn't much left over for ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU., much less trying to support two additional networks.
Being able to consolidate the rights for the Big 12 is huge just to be able to support three networks all in the eastern and central time zones.
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